Bush Insider Says 911 Was An Inside Job

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by SL55T0T0

 

Bush Insider Says 911 Was An Inside Job

Just a few items...

One, I personally do not buy the OS and from conversations over the years, sometimes with complete strangers, I don't think that the public believes it either. At least, not the great number of them.

Second, I think we do have to stop and weigh the outcome. Just as in the assassination of JFK, if 9.11 proves out to be anything even close to an inside job, our country is going to be immediately thrust into a constitutional crisis that will almost surely lead to the fall of our current government. From there, all hell will break loose as states begin talking secession in quick-time and new alliances and coalitions will be formed. The United States of America, as we know it today, will cease to exist. I think this reality is why so many of our elected people avoid this subject, no matter how obvious it has now become.

Last (but not least), once we get to the point where the union dissolves, there is really not a lot you can gain from dragging the dead horse around or banging a political partisan drum. Our best bet will be to decommission those red/blue political parties now in existence... ALL of them, and start from scratch. Maybe we can rebuild a country where fully half the population isn't somebody else's political enemy.

It will take years, decades or maybe even a century before we are again all one country. But make no mistake, that IS going to be the cost for truth on this particular subject.

Just so you all know that. Just so you are all prepared.

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First) It is comforting to think that the group we are in is popular. It gives us a place to feel like we belong. But thinking that the greater part of the population is also part of your group is delusional. If the greater part of the population did believe this there would most definatly have been an investigation.

Second) this is totally hypotheotical but if it was ever proven that this was an inside job it would certainly not throw the country into the downward sprial that you describe. Why would that happen? There would be lots of news programs, lots of investigations, lots of trials and eventually lots of people brought to justice. Who do you think is running this country, the kindergarteners? We'd all just go hide under the bed or run around in a panic? No we would handle it the way that our constitution has provided. In a court of law. We wont throw the baby out with the bathwater.

reply to post by Alfie1


No he hasn't done any of it but I am sure they are trying to find something shady about his past

reply to post by karen61057

It's a crime to be Islamic in America?

Did you see how much attention Obama got with his ties to the Muslim community etc? Apparently it is not legally a crime to be a Muslim, but socially it is. It will make the public turn on him. They might find out that he helped the Texas A&M Muslim community on campus (if that is true), then use that against him by creating a terror link to the student Muslim community at Texas A&M. These people are very conniving.

reply to post by SL55T0T0

Starred and flagged for proving me right.

This comes as a big surprise?

Took you all long enough to figure this out.

I told everyone on ATS years back Bush knew about it...................and now he's retired on 100,000 acres in Paraguay.

He also went against the Geneva Convention and condoned the torture of POWs.

When I said this years back I got a few stars and 100 nasty replies.

Read Paul Waldman's book, "Fraud" where in Bush Jr. was caught in hundreds of lies.......and most of you bought it.

Now considering WMD he out and out lied to us in order to manipulate us into the war in Iraq - for the oil, bankrupted our country like he did the two oil companies Father Bush gave him and single handedly took most of our freedoms away with "National Security".

GWB Jr. should be prosecuted for war crimes.

But, and this is the big thing..............have any of you that starred this post and voted for Bush learned anything?

It's all right to muck up, we all do - the important thing is to learn from your mistakes and I don't think the majority of you have.

Again, put down those darn ipods, video games, cell phones, remote controls and pick up some intellegent political books and articles that inform you as to what is really going on.

Also, maybe get out there and protest.................our votes don't count, our Senate and Congress are bought out by big corporations so they don't listen or care what the common man / woman has to say........who is looking out for you?

Not Washington DC..............they are too busy sleeping with the enemy.

WTF!!!
Nothing is going to be done about this!

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Most blindly follow and kick the guy who is both brave enough and bright enough to think for himself!

I know how gov hides the truth. I was in gov years ago when we told the public of "natural gas exploded" rather than a bomb ---- We didn't want to "alarm" the people.

I say better to alarm than let them be like sheep in the field of wolves.

The wolves are all out leaders! No matter what side!

Originally posted by conar
On December 14, 2004, President Bush awarded Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the U.S.
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The height of hypocrisy, right there depicted, may future historians recognize it for what it is.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by TETRA.X

 

Most people?

I have five people here in my store right now and none of them, thats 100 % of those here right now believe that 911 was anything other than a terrorist attack .

Okay, I gotta ask...what kind of store do you run where you can ask your customers who they think was behind the 9/11 attack?

Oh not the customers, I would never do that. No I asked co workers.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Alfie1

 

No he hasn't done any of it but I am sure they are trying to find something shady about his past

reply to post by karen61057

 

It's a crime to be Islamic in America?

Did you see how much attention Obama got with his ties to the Muslim community etc? Apparently it is not legally a crime to be a Muslim, but socially it is. It will make the public turn on him. They might find out that he helped the Texas A&M Muslim community on campus (if that is true), then use that against him by creating a terror link to the student Muslim community at Texas A&M. These people are very conniving.

What people?
Some ill informed folks are convinced that he is muslim. I am not one of them.

Originally posted by Scytherius
reply to post by SL55T0T0

 

Bush & crew should be in prison and Obama should have prosecuted them But what do we have? We have more of the same and people screaming about birth certificates and penis photos.

What a joke Nation this is. It will fall just like the Towers. Count on it. We are too stupid to survive.

So you think this is all about Bush being a bad guy and Obama the good guy? Wow, I was a lifelong Republican and after Bush took us to war I went Libertarian for a while(after the ACLU went after the Patriot Act), and I recognize that there's a lot of phony baloney, but I am pretty sure that Bush is leaving all the stuff in the hands of the latest puppet Prez. I went back to the Repubs though, after I realized there are bunches of green reds involved with the LIbertarian Party. It is evident that there are plenty of Socialists in that group with the Code Pink people protesting at the Jeff Memorial. It's a mixed bag with them.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Twin towers exploded from the top down, all the way to the ground, to within three seconds of absolute free fall for any freely dropped object (steel safe, grand piano etc) in nothing but air. Thus, all "crushing" or "breakage" (according to the official story) can ONLY have occured within that period of time (difference between absolute free fall in air and timed destruction). One, two, three. In the case of the North Tower, where the impact was around the 95-96th floor, that's quite the feat, especially in light of the three laws of motion..

94 Floors of steel - One two three..

Case closed - the buildings were blown up with explosives and did not "collapse" as a direct and sole result of the plane impacts.

What other physical evidence is there to support this painful truth? Plently - go research it, and spread the word.

To start with, just LOOK at the phenomenon of destruction.

Conclusion: The Twin Towers of the WTC did not "collapse", that's not what occured, in reality. In the Zelikow fantasy-myth made real, that's what happened, but in the real world, in truth, the building's must have been and were evidentally blown up from the top down with explosives. No other conclusion is possible in accordance with the immutable laws of the universe.

Philip D. Zelikow - master mythmaker

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After Henry Kissenger resigned as Chair of the 9/11 Commision,

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Wikipedia Profile
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due to a conflict of interest (like the Bush's, he also had dealings with the Bin Laden family).

Philip D. Zelikow, a Bush Administration insider and close friend of Condoleeza Rice, was appointed in Kissenger's stead.

The following is from the public record regarding Zelikow's rather unique credentials, to oversee the formation of the narrative, or the official story "record" of the 9/11 event, in history.

First, what does wikipedia have to say about him..

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Philip D. Zelikow (born 1954) is an American diplomat, academic and author. He wrote the preemptive war strategy for Iraq[1]. He has worked as the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia, and Counselor of the United States Department of State. He is the White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia and currently residing at the American Academy in Berlin as a Fall 2009 Axel Springer Fellow. Here he has been working on his newest book US Foreign Policy: An Interpretive History.

Early life and education

After studying at the University of Houston, Zelikow completed his Bachelor of Arts in history and political science at the University of Redlands in southern California. He earned his J.D. from the University of Houston Law Center, where he was an editor of the law review, and a Ph.D. from The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. In the early 1980s, Zelikow practiced law.

Career
Academic and federal government positions

In the mid-1980s, Zelikow turned toward the field of national security. He was adjunct professor of national security affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California in 1984-1985. He joined the United States Department of State through the standard examination process as a career civil servant. As a Foreign Service Officer, he served overseas at the U.S. Mission to the conventional arms control talks in Vienna, at the State Department's 24-hour crisis center, and on the secretariat staff for Secretary of State George P. Shultz, during the second Reagan administration (1985-1989).

In 1989, in the George H. W. Bush administration, Zelikow was detailed to join the National Security Council, where he was involved as a senior White House staffer in the diplomacy surrounding the German reunification and the diplomatic settlements accompanying the end of the Cold War in Europe. During the first Gulf War he aided President Bush, National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, and Secretary of State James Baker in diplomatic affairs related to the coalition. He went on to co-author, with Condoleezza Rice, the book Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft , an academic treatment of the politics of reunification, which was published in 1995.

In 1991, Zelikow left the NSC to go to Harvard University, where from 1991 to 1998 he was Associate Professor of Public Policy and co-director of Harvard's Intelligence and Policy Program, in Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. In 1998, Zelikow moved to the University of Virginia, where he directed, until February 2005, the nation's largest center on the American presidency, served as director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs and, as White Burkett Miller Professor of History, held an endowed chair. The Center launched a project to transcribe and annotate the previously secret tapes made during the Kennedy, Nixon and Johnson Presidencies,[4] and a presidential oral history project, headed by James Sterling Young, that systematically gathers additional information on the presidencies of Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Clinton.

Commissions and committees

In late 2000 and early 2001, Zelikow served on President Bush's transition team. After George W. Bush took office, Zelikow was named to a position on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB], and worked on other task forces and commissions as well. He directed the bipartisan National Commission on Federal Election Reform, created after the 2000 election and chaired by former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford, along with Lloyd Cutler and Bob Michel. This Commission's recommendations led directly to congressional consideration and enactment into law of the Help America Vote Act of 2002.

In Rise of the Vulcans (Viking, 2004), James Mann reports that when Richard Haass, a senior aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell and the director of policy planning at the State Department, drafted for the administration an overview of America’s national security strategy following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Dr. Rice, the national security advisor, "ordered that the document be completely rewritten. She thought the Bush administration needed something bolder, something that would represent a more dramatic break with the ideas of the past. Rice turned the writing over to her old colleague, University of Virginia Professor Philip Zelikow." This document, issued on September 17, 2002, is generally recognized as a significant document in the War on Terrorism.

At the recommendation of Lee H. Hamilton, the vice-chair, but against some opposition from the Bush White House, Zelikow was appointed executive director of the 9/11 Commission, whose work included examination of the conduct of Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush and their administrations. Although his appointment was supported by the largest 9/11 families group, his prior involvement with the administration of George W. Bush led to opposition from smaller groups including the 9/11 Family Steering Committee, citing a conflict of interest. In response to the concerns, Zelikow agreed to recuse himself from any investigation matters pertaining to the transition team.

While at Harvard he worked with Ernest May and Richard Neustadt on the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. They observed, as Zelikow noted in his own words, that "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to William McNeill's notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."

Zelikow and May have also authored and sponsored scholarship on the relationship between intelligence analysis and policy decisions. Zelikow later helped found a research project to prepare and publish annotated transcripts of presidential recordings made secretly during the Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon administrations (see WhiteHouseTapes.org) and another project to strengthen oral history work on more recent administrations, with both these projects based at the University of Virginia's Miller Center of Public Affairs.

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The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to [the] notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.'

Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."

So Zelikow, the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report, was an expert in how to misuse public trust and create PUBLIC MYTHS.

If 9/11 was nothing but a huge HOAX, you would naturally expect that the event itself would have to be perfectly scripted.

In 1998, Zelikow actually wrote Catastrophic Terrorism about imagining "the transformative event" three years before 9/11.

Here are Zelikow's 1998 words. Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because "the most serious constraint on current policy is lack of imagination".

An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.

It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.

Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.

Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."

The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after."

Philip D. Zelikow

www.ksg.harvard.edu...

And here he is, post-9/11, our chief mythmaker and history bender, in action.

Note: He indicates that the catalyzing event, being a human interpretation formed by human choices to form human history - NEED NOT EVEN ADHERE TO THE PHYSICAL LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE..!!!

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Philip D. Zelikow
Executive Director

Philip Zelikow is the executive director of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, better known as the "9/11 Commission." He is also the director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs and White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia. After serving in government with the Navy, the State Department, and the National Security Council, he taught at Harvard before assuming his present post in Virginia to direct the nation's largest research center on the American presidency. He was a member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and served as executive director of the National Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former Presidents Carter and Ford, as well as the executive director of the Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the Information Age. Zelikow's books include The Kennedy Tapes (with Ernest May), Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (with Condoleezza Rice), and the rewritten Essence of Decision (with Graham Allison). Zelikow has also been the director of the Aspen Strategy Group, a policy program of the Aspen Institute.

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon The United States

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9/11 Commission Members
The members of the commission were:

Philip D. Zelikow, Executive Director/Chair

Thomas Kean (Chairman) - Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice Chairman) - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat, attorney, former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Max Cleland - Democrat, former U.S. Senator from Georgia. Resigned December 2003, stating that the "the White House has played cover-up"[7]
Fred F. Fielding - Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel
Jamie Gorelick - Democrat, former Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton - Republican, former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey - Democrat, President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska
John F. Lehman - Republican, former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 3rd District of Indiana
James R. Thompson - Republican, former Governor of Illinois
The members of the commission's staff included:

Christopher Kojm, Deputy Executive Director
Daniel Marcus, General Counsel
John J. Farmer, Senior Counsel
Janice Kephart, Counsel
Alvin S. Felzenberg, Spokesman[8]
President Bush had initially appointed former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to head the commission, but he withdrew shortly afterward because he would have been obliged to disclose the clients of his private consulting business.[9]

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ZELIKOW’S CONFLICT OF INTERESTS

A Partial Chronology Of Zelikow’s Ties To The Bush Administration:

1989-91: Zelikow works closely with Condoleezza Rice as part of the National Security Council during George Bush Sr’s Administration.

1995: Zelikow & Rice write a book together.

1996-98: Zelikow & Rice are together again when Zelikow is Director of the Aspen Strategy Group, a Zionist foreign-policy strategy “think tank.” Rice, along with Dick Cheney & Paul Wolfowitz, are also members.

2000: Zelikow & Rice are reunited when Bush names Zelikow to his transition team for the National Security Council.

2000: Zelikow is briefed by former White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke about the growing al-Qaida threat.

2001: Zelikow is appointed by Bush to the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

2003: Zelikow is appointed Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission. Thus it is no different than if Rice or Cheney had been running the Commission.

2004: Zelikow skews the investigation by deciding which topics would be investigated and which ones not. Bush’s comic book line for the motive behind 9-11 is taken by Zelikow: “Al Qaida hates our freedom.”

2004: Zelikow is secretly in contact with President Bush’s close adviser Karl Rove while the “independent” Commission is completing its report finalized on July 22 2004.

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“Why was Philip Zelikow appointed as Executive Director of the 9-11 Commission?

Zelikow, with his close ties to Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, & President George Bush, could not conduct an unbiased investigation as Director of the Commission.

In his new book, The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9-11 Investigation, Philip Shenon wrote:

“The appointment of Zelikow to head the inquiry into America’s response to the September 11 terrorist attacks was akin to putting the fox in charge of the hen house.”

The Family Steering Committee for the 9-11 Commission repeatedly called for Philip Zelikow’s resignation. The families, citing Zelikow’s close connections to the Bush Administration, were concerned that Zelikow’s appointment made a mockery of the idea that the Commission was “independent.” But the Bush Administration ignored their complaint.

Philip D. Zelikow says: .."An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.

It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime, and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.

Constitutional liberties would be challenged, as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force.

More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible, like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."

The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after," our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently."

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The authors would like to thank the members of the Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group:

Graham T. Allison, Jr.
Zoe Baird
Vic DeMarines
Robert Gates
Jamie Gorelick
Robert Hermann
Philip Heyman
Fred Ikle
Elaine Kamarck
Ernest May
Matthew Meselson
Joseph S. Nye, Jr.
William J. Perry
Larry Potts
Fred Schauer
J. Terry Scott
Jack Sheehan
Malcom Sparrow
Herbert Winokur
Robert Zoellick

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Robert Gates... things that make ya go hmmmm

Must watch


Gee, he must have been a psychic or a prophet or something, and that he even made mention of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in reference to the bombing there (orchestrated by the FBI), what it would have meant "had it been successful" (ie: had one or both of the buildings toppled)... again, things that make ya go hmmmm, and if they don't then you must be brain dead.

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That's right, because whatever Bush did, that doesn't make the phony Baloney BO is giving us right. Not to mention how a certain sector of society bashed Bush like crazy, and that same group which cheered every time a repub;ican was caught in a sex scandal are the same ones now saying Weinergate is nothing. Don't you see the hypocrisy?

i hear people calling this nonsense,i say there opinion is nonsense in the light of what happened on that day.to need a official story to tell you what happened shows your ignorance and to believe it after reading it, is worse. with some little research if you do not know basics,of things that matter, would clearly show the cover up.anyway,until justice for the crimes of 911 come to pass,i say,this country is no country,the laws are none,leaders are none,its like the wild west,or the so called jungle, by bush senior himself.are these the people to bring new world order and laws ?yeah,for the submissive. wake up people,we are being duped.i take that back,we have been duped.they put a court in your town and a school,perhaps a hospital,with your money of course,then they say obey us.cheap sell outs.life is painful im sorry but its true.or find a government and be there whore.

The American public are mostly too stupid to SEE the TRUTH when it's starting them in the face. In fact they are so easily manipulated by the controlled media, that no matter what's presented to them, they can rollover and just accept the government's version.

WHY? Mainly because nobody likes being labelled as the guy that wears a TINFOIL HAT or 'Oh you're one of those "conspiracy" nutjobs!'.

WHISTLEBLOWERS? Well even at the risk of being ASSASSINATED:

The Mysterious Deaths of Nine Gulf Oil Spill Whistleblowers

I know that there have been a LOT of deaths related to people that spoke out regarding 9/11, but following is a big list of WHISTLEBLOWERS, that came out before this guy in the OP:

9/11 Whistleblowers!!!

Can't believe that your government would LIE to you, let alone do anything to HARM you???

Check this out: HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON US CITIZENS

Just because they've been outed on previous black-book operations, doesn't mean that they've seen the error of their ways, and stopped. There's too much MONEY & POWER at stake!

Originally posted by SL55T0T0
Morgan O. Reynolds was a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX.
He served as chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 2001–2002, George W. Bush's first term. In 2005, he gained public attention as the first prominent government official to publicly claim that 9/11 was an inside job, and is a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
Glad to see these kind of people speaking out!

I am not convinced either way on this topic, but just say it were all true.
What did they have to gain by bringing down he towers. Either in the short term or the long term.
I would really like o know this. I have a couple of theories, but for now i want to know what other people with more knowledge than me think about it.

reply to post by rigel4

An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.

It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.

Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.

Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."

The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after."

Philip D. Zelikow

www.ksg.harvard.edu...

That's just one small part of the larger puzzle.

Please watch this video and note Zelikow's prophetic reference to the twin towers of the World Trade Center in terms of the 93 bombing - "had it been successful."

like whores asking them self. does he love me?is he using me?blah blah blah.he is pimping you,plain and simple.he wants your money and everything you got.now go back to your home, sleep,wake up tomorrow,forget all this #,go back to work,and pay your bills.that comedian put it well,george carlin.

his first day on the job was 9/4/01 !!!

bush insider ?

LOL

reply to post by rigel4


What they gain is the pretext for wars in the Middle East as well as in general the Police State mentality, the pretext for the Patriot Act which erodes our liberties and privacy, the Orwellian State if you will. It gives TPTB an endless pretext for a war on terrorism. I am not saying that there is no genuine terrorism, but I do believe that much is manufactured or instigated on some level. If it is not manufactured, then it is supported by TPTB. This is called "managed conflict". The late professor Antony Sutton discusses this managed conflict technique in his book, "America's Secret Establishment".

Also, the more we get roped into the Orwellian Police State, with fascist controls of surveillance cams, biometric identifiers, TSA gropefests, radiation scanners, etc, the more we are primed to accept the Socialist One World Govt which will protect us all from the evil terrorists. (please note the sarcasm)

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Who cares about him - what do YOU think? What's YOUR position on it? You don't stand guard for the Big Lie like some who've done the research do, I hope..?

P.S. This is for you ie: your name/avatar..

Originally posted by rigel4
I am not convinced either way on this topic, but just say it were all true.
What did they have to gain by bringing down he towers. Either in the short term or the long term.

It's an interesting question.

If the attack amounted to simply crashing planes into towers, there is reason to believe that the towers would not have fallen, but arab terrorists, surely, would have been happy, simply to have planted a couple of airliners into the buildings. Everything over and above that would be considered gravy.

However, strong indications of controlled demolition are seen in the event. Why take the buildings right down, when simple plane plants would have sufficed to rile the public and get them ready for war? Why complicate things that way?

Here we enter the realm of esthetic judgements and human psychology. Would two plane plants (three, counting the Pentagon) be enough to get America to go to war? I would say so. Others might differ, or be unwilling to take a chance that Americans would find two plane plants tolerable.

Better safe than sorry. We'll take the buildings right down.

Then there is the consideration of the building owner, or leasee, Larry Silverstein. The "planner perps" would have been aware of Larry. They would have said, "Look, Larry ain't gonna' like 'dis. Badda bing. Two plane plants is bad for business. Whadda we gonna do for our buddy? Help the SOB out. How we gonna do dat?"

They would have been aware of his problems with the buildings, the asbestos issues. the estimated high cost of removing asbestos, etc. Taking the buildings out with Larry's co-operation would enable their friend to do well out of it and probably enable other friends of Larry's to do well also.

The plane plants plus the asbestos problems might have been enough, by themselves to necessitate the legitimate demolition of the buildings, post 9/11. People on the inside of the operation might have gone to bat for Larry and insisted that the buildings be taken right down, as a help to a strong supporter of Israel.

Remember, the alleged planners of this event are strong supporters of Israel.

Then there is the question of "handwriting". This is a term from the world of criminal and counter espionage investigations. Criminals have a personal style that is recognizable.

9/11 was a sloppy, overproduced mess of a theatrical production. Too many planes for a legit terrorist operation. All the buildings fall down. Mossad agents race around Manhattan, dressed as arabs in vans with traces of explosives in them. A cube van with a sideboard mural of a plane crashing into a tower on it. Kabul hit by cruise missiles on the very day of 9/11 itself. Harley man. The list goes on.

Why did the towers have to come down? Why does granny die her hair blue?

Because she's got no taste and no sense of proportion, like the Bush administration.