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Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by AnteBellum
What kind of a response is that? That is one of the few times that I have seen the starter of a thread deviate so far from their OP. I want to get a response out of you. I want you to defend your position.
What is just about the death penalty? Do you like being in the same company as religious extremists, communist suppressors, terrorists, and third-world nations?
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by MaxNormal
Some people don't really care that they kill other people, especially if they've done it on multiple occasions. There were a few gang rapes here in Australia by a gang of muslims. None of them showed any remorse.edit on 6-6-2011 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MaxNormal
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by MaxNormal
Some people don't really care that they kill other people, especially if they've done it on multiple occasions. There were a few gang rapes here in Australia by a gang of muslims. None of them showed any remorse.edit on 6-6-2011 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)
I agree some are sociopaths and will not or cannot feel remorse or empaty. These individuals should be removed from society forever, and not allowed to breed and spread there genetics. But we do not need to kill them for this. Sterilize and lock them away.
If you commit murder you should be put down, like an animal. I take the stance that in war killing is justified if you so choose to fight. Murder is the same game, if you choose to kill in cold blood, you also choose to die in it.
As for being in the same company as religious extremists, you are greatly mistaken. I would not kill in the name of religion, money, power or fame. Which most extremist groups fall into one or more of these categories.
Murder is a crime against nature and those who advocate punishing murderers to life in prison should be subject to taking care of them also.
And I can ask a similar question, what is not just about the death penalty? Do you like being in the same company as religious extremists(other end), pacifists, hippies, and 'holier then thou' elitist nations?
Originally posted by BubbaJoe
Originally posted by MaxNormal
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by MaxNormal
Some people don't really care that they kill other people, especially if they've done it on multiple occasions. There were a few gang rapes here in Australia by a gang of muslims. None of them showed any remorse.edit on 6-6-2011 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)
I agree some are sociopaths and will not or cannot feel remorse or empaty. These individuals should be removed from society forever, and not allowed to breed and spread there genetics. But we do not need to kill them for this. Sterilize and lock them away.
Ok my question would be for those folks, why should I as a taxpayer, pay for this? I am in the USA but this question would fit for any country. To answer you next question, I am a slight left leaning centrist.
Originally posted by MaxNormal
Originally posted by BubbaJoe
Originally posted by MaxNormal
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by MaxNormal
Some people don't really care that they kill other people, especially if they've done it on multiple occasions. There were a few gang rapes here in Australia by a gang of muslims. None of them showed any remorse.edit on 6-6-2011 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)
I agree some are sociopaths and will not or cannot feel remorse or empaty. These individuals should be removed from society forever, and not allowed to breed and spread there genetics. But we do not need to kill them for this. Sterilize and lock them away.
Ok my question would be for those folks, why should I as a taxpayer, pay for this? I am in the USA but this question would fit for any country. To answer you next question, I am a slight left leaning centrist.
As a taxpayer you pay for tons of thing you never see, use, or gain anything from. Paying for this protects you, your home, your family, your community, and the world. I know your thought is why pay for them to be taken care of, but your not doing that. Your paying to have them taken out of society, so you and your family can sleep soundly. In theory ofcourse.
Originally posted by BubbaJoe
Originally posted by MaxNormal
Originally posted by BubbaJoe
Originally posted by MaxNormal
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by MaxNormal
Some people don't really care that they kill other people, especially if they've done it on multiple occasions. There were a few gang rapes here in Australia by a gang of muslims. None of them showed any remorse.edit on 6-6-2011 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)
I agree some are sociopaths and will not or cannot feel remorse or empaty. These individuals should be removed from society forever, and not allowed to breed and spread there genetics. But we do not need to kill them for this. Sterilize and lock them away.
Ok my question would be for those folks, why should I as a taxpayer, pay for this? I am in the USA but this question would fit for any country. To answer you next question, I am a slight left leaning centrist.
As a taxpayer you pay for tons of thing you never see, use, or gain anything from. Paying for this protects you, your home, your family, your community, and the world. I know your thought is why pay for them to be taken care of, but your not doing that. Your paying to have them taken out of society, so you and your family can sleep soundly. In theory ofcourse.
I do understand where you are coming from, and in most areas, I am left of center, especially concerning social issues. Guys like Charlie Manson, we have had him locked up for over 40 years, he is never going to get out, he is a complete sociopath, what has society gained by allowing him to live? This guy that kidnapped the Duggard girl, what will society gain by allowing him to live, the guy that Kidnapped Elizabeth Smart, again society has nothing to gain.
I am not trying to be cold and cruel here, but some of these cases are cut and dried, these folks will never see the light of day, what justifies the investment, when we will never see any return on it? This is the one area where I differ from my friends on the left, I believe we need the death penalty, I just think we do a really crappy job of carrying it out.
Originally posted by AnteBellum
Hammurabi's law, eye for an eye, may not always apply but I feel if you take a life, you forfeit your own.
Comparing war and cold-blooded murder is ludicrous. Individuals are killed in war primarily as an act of self-defense; kill or be killed. Most nations respect international law when it comes to war, that being if an individual is captured and held captive, they are to be treated humanely and not killed. Basically, your argument can be used against you: just like war, an individual captured after killing someone should be treated humanely and not in turn killed as an act of revenge. If you honestly believe that war and murder are the same thing, then you have to follow through with it; you cannot support the death penalty.
I am not referring to the reasons that you yourself would kill. I am referring to state-sanctioned justice. By implementing the death penalty, the United States falls into the same category as governments of extreme religious persuasion, who kill their citizens not only for murder, but for breaking primative religious laws.
Here's a surprising fact: the death penalty is actually more expensive (see pages 3 and 4) than keeping an individual incarcerated for life. The reason it is so expensive is due to the complicated legal process, with the largest costs coming from the pre trial process and the ensuing trial itself.
Keeping an individual shut off from society in a tiny cell for 23 hours a day is not exactly paradise.
The death penalty is unjust because, as I said earlier, it is a barbarous and inhumane practice. People are not animals, regardless of whether or not they act like one.
Name ONE country that is controlled by religious extremists that does not implement the death penalty. If you are able to do so (which you won't be), I can show you a dozen that are. Calling nations that do not implement the death penalty "pacifists" and "hippies" and "holier than thou elitists" is ridiculous. You are talking about democratic, secular, capitalist nations. Each of those descriptors are opinionated, unlike the words that I chose to use to describe nations that still use the death penalty; it is a FACT that nations like China, as well as nations in Africa and the Middle East are headed by Communist repressors/religious extremists. It is also a FACT that most are third-world nations.