Torture. Would you break? Could anyone withstand?

Here is a little game you can play amongst yourselves...
Place the lit portion of a cigar or cigarette about an inch above your index fingernail, now slowly move that lit portion closer to the base of your fingernail. How long could you stand that one?
EVERYBODY breaks, some sooner than others, the problem is the amount of psychological damage caused by a session can distort reality and turn any information gained into rubbish.
Start messing with hornets and kicking porcupines, you'll build up your tolerance for the apocolypse to come.

reply to post by beezzer


Im sure they could break me using physical torture, eventually. IF I were the holder of some critical information that would destroy what I believed in if the enemy got ahold of it, I would just make darn sure I had some quick means to commit suicide if capture looked imminent.

They could just show me a fork and I would start singing like a canary. I have a very low pain tolerance.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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I would just make darn sure I had some quick means to commit suicide if capture looked imminent.

This is sad what the universal has become FORCE. So how would an energy be dealt with for these activities. Would it be fair to unleash the same ignorance upon the torturer or just have the energy reabsorbed into a new kinda FORCE for its wrong doings. 1 should never feel suicide is an option as it may have other consiquences. I think the best way if tortured is keep your mouth shut and await death and try not to be a vengeful spirit and allow those in controll to take care of the torturee as there are many. I do see your point tho its just sad.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
They could just show me a fork and I would start singing like a canary. I have a very low pain tolerance.

Lol. I have a high pain tolerance, but an incredibly LOW sleep deprivation tolerance. Ive only seen the sun rise by staying up all night twice in my life, and it was a horrible experience both times. I would crack within the first 48 hours if they refused to let me sleep. 72 hours tops.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
They could just show me a fork and I would start singing like a canary. I have a very low pain tolerance.

But what about the resources your family resources they need to survive?

Originally posted by nixie_nox
They could just show me a fork and I would start singing like a canary. I have a very low pain tolerance.

Where's the food?

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


If there was a cause that I believed in, the consequences of suicide would be the least of my concerns. I would be willing to burn for all eternity in hell for the right cause, no questions asked. I would gladly sacrifice my "spiritual accumulation" for the right cause too.

If you ARENT willing to sacrifice your own spiritual advancement for your fellow being, you really arent very spiritually advanced at all, now are you?

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

This is of course assuming you are captured alive.
Normally a strong willed person can withstand physical pain.The secondary option would be to attack you emotionally ,maybe killing your kid or wife but keeping a survivor.
You just have to realize if they're doing this you are a dead person and act accordingly.
Besides if you have decided to put yourself in harms way on that level you must prepare as best as possible by using a Togakure method where you put yourself in worst cased completely awful scenarios( they are gouging your newborn's eyes out) think how that would feel and overcome the emotional stress without going full sociopath.
If you get free ,well we all know what payback is.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

 

If there was a cause that I believed in, the consequences of suicide would be the least of my concerns. I would be willing to burn for all eternity in hell for the right cause, no questions asked. I would gladly sacrifice my "spiritual accumulation" for the right cause too.

If you ARENT willing to sacrifice your own spiritual advancement for your fellow being, you really arent very spiritually advanced at all, now are you?

I see your point my point is you very well could just let them kill you Right? Why off yourself if their hand did it the return to them is solid. And yes to sacrifice ones self for the better of all is understood. but the fact that you could let them kill you is different to me I dont see why, sorry.

reply to post by beezzer


In the scenario you describe about the supplies, no, I would not break under torture.

Of course it wouldn't be easy.

Originally posted by 7thcavtrooper

You just have to realize if they're doing this you are a dead person and act accordingly.

Agreed. If you choose to be a "soldier" in any cause, you need to just write yourself off as dead at that point, and be willing at any time to cash in your chips if your life puts the cause in danger in any way. If you love your life more than the cause you are fighting for, you should not be entrusted with that sort of high level information in the first place.

And fortunately for me, I dont have family. My own family is dead, for the most part, including my foster parents, and I really have no strong attachment to any other living relatives. I chose not to have children of my own, for a variety of reasons, including that I dont believe we need any more people in the world atm. Emotional torture really wouldnt be a good option for them. I care about friends and such, but just like I am willing to sacrifice my OWN life if it were a cause I believed enough in, my poor friends would run up against that same trait in me if THEIR lives were at stake too.

All humans are fated to die. Its just a matter of when and how, and some causes/principles are greater than any human life, individually. IMHO.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Because, IF I had information which, if it fell into enemy hands, could destroy the cause I was fighting for;

THEN I could not allow myself to ever be taken alive, as I could not be sure they could not torture the info out of me. Which means, if they killed me fine. But if they were shooting to wound me, in order to take me alive, I would HAVE to kill myself.

Great if they kill me. Wonderful. But you could not bank on that if you held information that important. You would have to be willing to die to protect it, and odds are, they would want desperately to take you alive. Therefore, if it looked even a little as if you were about to be taken, you would need to off yourself.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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would have to be willing to die to protect it, and odds are, they would want desperately to take you alive. Therefore, if it looked even a little as if you were about to be taken, you would need to off yourself.

And a strong will couldnt smile in their faces as they tortured you. I understand that data can carry weight and I understand a soldier once stepping to be one has releived themself of FEAR/FEARLESS so they must have a strong mind. Hell you might encounter some that would bring you back depending on your cause so then your mind HAS GOT TO BE STRONG ENOUGHT TO keep it shut no matter how long they got you. I understand you tho you speak of ways many 3d soldiers deal with this exact issue but are their minds not strong enough I THINK YOU ARE...

Consider the brought back aspect and how would you respond then. yes outta box but so is this thread. high tech that can reanimate you after you killed yourself.... Think YOUR MIND IS THE ANSWER TIS ALL. Mental strength Soul strength.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Im also educated. And the really intelligent know their own weaknesses. Only a fool would think that they could will themselves not to crack. From chemical means, to possibly destroying parts of the brain, sleep deprivation to physical pain, any mind has the potential to be cracked. ANY mind.

I have great will power. And Im still not stupid enough to think I am unbreakable.

Don't keep all of your eggs in one basket. If you have a stockpile split it up. This can be useful in several situations, including this one. If you don't hold out give up part of your stash, if they don't kill you you have stocks left. My friends grandfather does this with his money. He puts part of it in his wallet, the other part he puts in his sock. Granted he's a little paranoid but if he were to get robbed or pick pocketed he won't be completely in the hole.

If they do kill you then you worries are over, however if you do leave survivors they will have whats left.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Brotheren is not me aiming evol at you I give you something since I see you strength something to consider if GOD forbid the or you were in a situation like this just remember there are MANY ways the deeper the wounds the faster you are out ect. this is your grey area for your mind to sit why you await you higherself to reconnect. I am not knocking you and I sense you feel uncomfy with the revive part but keep it in mind your MIND. whats stopping you from Your mind YOU. Many say The Christed 1 died for them. Consider this if he was who he was he coulda turned EArth into a plasma ball when they made him walk last. But his will his mind allowed the ignorance abroad to Nail him and even stabb him evol bastards and even more watch him suffer. And all he had to do was say DADDY they are unworthy but he didnt he stayed there and died saving these ignorants who are still here hoping they would of learned. So I just gave you an example weither religious or not He could of told NATAS to eat them all and took the EA crown... His / Your mind dont underestimate.

Be well

If caught and being tortured. Your as good as dead so perhaps make your capture's angry. They torture you a little bit maybe rough maybe not. But break on purpose give them false information. After they spend an hour/day checking the information they will realize you lied. Hopefully this will have given your family time to escape. If not maybe it has made your capture's angry enough to cut a little to deep.
In a situation like this you either die or break hope for death and do you best to make the interregators angry. The time they waste on you gives your family more time. In the end when you do break you can only hope you bought enough time. Perhaps set up time restraints prior with members of your group. If you get captured they should instantly start packing.If you haven't checked in within 12 hours they should start packing. All of this is dependant on which way you left camp how long you figured you would be gone etc etc.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


I do appreciate your intentions, and since you clearly feel suicide is a sin, I appreciate your concern. I dont have any information that anyone would want to torture me for, currently, so its all theoretical. The way the world is unfolding at the moment, it is highly unlikely there will be a cause I find just enough to fight for at that level. There are people worth fighting against, lots of them, but there really arent people I have found worth fighting for.

There's a couple of rules to follow if you're going to be tortured.

1-It is the worst thing in the world to be truly innocent when the torturer shows up.

2-If you aren't innocent you give "plausible" information but not reliable information.

I've learned to deal with pain that isn't a problem. But I do have my limits, namely, hurting my wife or my family is more painful than pulling out my toe nails.