In Alabama, a Harsh Bill for Residents Here Illegally

Originally posted by querious
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

Yeah, I agree, we really should enhance our 'guest-worker' program.

Make it easy to fill the open jobs that can't be filled locally (with proof of trying).

But I'd really like to see, as you mentioned before, some kind of legislation that removed the anchor-baby clause, while they are working on a 'guest-worker' program.

I don't know how that would work exactly to comply with the Constitution, but really if you aren't a citizen, you aren't entitled to the provisions of the Constitution, but that stipulation (about being born on our soil), is a gray one.

edit to add:
Fourteenth Amendment of the US CONSTITUTION:

Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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Well frankly, we wouldn't have to worry about anchor-babies in the first place if immigration had been better managed from the start. The trickle of anchor babies by documented workers is probably something we could deal with, and indeed would probably help to serve ethnic and cultural diversity values.

This is what opponents don't get. It really is NOT about racism at all. It is about the unmanaged destructive flow of illegals.

You want to go out and water your garden, you don't do it with a firehose.

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Okay, so now they are finally trying to stop it. It's about time.

Or they are just putting on a show knowing damn well that nothing will really change cause there is too much money in it.

La Raza and all that take back our land talk is just a bunch of rhetoric. Just like the Nation of Islam. The leaders soon realize that they have a cash cow and the revolution gets posteponed until further notice.

Block the border NOW,adnd then deal with the ones inside...as long as they keep pouring over,rounding up the illegals now leaves too much open for returns..

reply to post by daskakik


You only have a right to a gun if you get a permit. While you can get a permit for a gun in Mexico, it is very difficult to do.

www.davekopel.com...

So for the most part, gun ownership in Mexico is illegal.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by daskakik

 

You only have a right to a gun if you get a permit. While you can get a permit for a gun in Mexico, it is very difficult to do.

www.davekopel.com...

So for the most part, gun ownership in Mexico is illegal.

It helps to read the actual law.

CHAPTER II
Possession of arms in the home
Article 15
In the home it is allowed to posses arms for security and legitimate defense of residents. The possession must be shown to Secretary of the National Defense, by the registry.

Each arm must be registered.

This translation is rough but it clearly states that a permit is not needed to own firearms. You just have to register your guns.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Okay, so now they are finally trying to stop it. It's about time.

Or they are just putting on a show knowing damn well that nothing will really change cause there is too much money in it.

La Raza and all that take back our land talk is just a bunch of rhetoric. Just like the Nation of Islam. The leaders soon realize that they have a cash cow and the revolution gets posteponed until further notice.

edit on 5-6-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

The states are trying to change it. The Federal government is resisting on behalf of the corporations.

And if you think La Raza is rhetoric, you tell that to the friend of mine who's mother's throat was slit.

Originally posted by Homedawg
Block the border NOW,adnd then deal with the ones inside...as long as they keep pouring over,rounding up the illegals now leaves too much open for returns..

It would be FAR cheaper to just penalize their employers. If there is no incentive to come and work, immigration would dry up almost entirely. But their employers have been buying off politicians on both sides for decades, because they benefit from paying undocumented workers pennies on the dollar. Blaming the workers is silly and backwards. The only thing that would work is to penalize employers for hiring them in the first place. It wouldn't even be new legislation, merely enforcing current legislation. And that would cost a fraction of what it would to build a giant wall.

Originally posted by Homedawg
Block the border NOW,adnd then deal with the ones inside...as long as they keep pouring over,rounding up the illegals now leaves too much open for returns..

We don't need a wall. We need comprehensive laws like the ones proposed in Alabama. If illegals cannot find a place to live here, it the doors to the schools are closed to them, they will not come here.

reply to post by CobraCommander


yeah, agreed.
Now that you point it out, the amount of babies being born from legal guest-workers would be minimal, and was part of the spirit of the 14th amendment.

and also agree, I truly do like cultural diversity,, I really really love my bean burritos and salsa and dare I say an occasional heap of hummus. Among the many other great ethnic things that make this country great.

So, yeah, stop the illegal immigration, problem solved, don't really need the stipulations with the guest-worker.

Originally posted by CobraCommander
The states are trying to change it. The Federal government is resisting on behalf of the corporations.

And if you think La Raza is rhetoric, you tell that to the friend of mine who's mother's throat was slit.

I don't buy the states position. Just a different group of politicians telling lies to get votes.

Sorry about your friends mom but the acts of a single nut influenced by this rhetoric hardly proves that they are really trying to take on the US government.

The answer is to find a group fighting against illegal immigration, and get involved.

www.numbersusa.com...

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Homedawg
Block the border NOW,adnd then deal with the ones inside...as long as they keep pouring over,rounding up the illegals now leaves too much open for returns..

It would be FAR cheaper to just penalize their employers. If there is no incentive to come and work, immigration would dry up almost entirely. But their employers have been buying off politicians on both sides for decades, because they benefit from paying undocumented workers pennies on the dollar. Blaming the workers is silly and backwards. The only thing that would work is to penalize employers for hiring them in the first place. It wouldn't even be new legislation, merely enforcing current legislation. And that would cost a fraction of what it would to build a giant wall.

I am all for penalizing employers, big time in fact. Nevertheless, it is the illegals themselves who knowingly break the law coming into this country in the first place.

Just becasue I know there is money in that safe, gives me no right to break into it.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
The states are trying to change it. The Federal government is resisting on behalf of the corporations.

And if you think La Raza is rhetoric, you tell that to the friend of mine who's mother's throat was slit.

I don't buy the states position. Just a different group of politicians telling lies to get votes.

Sorry about your friends mom but the acts of a single nut influenced by this rhetoric hardly proves that they are really trying to take on the US government.

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Did you not see that video I posted, read the article that went with it? This is a lot bigger then some lone nut with a shank.

As far as the state's position, time will tell. This could very well come down to a second Civil War of Secession.

The reason illegals come from Mexico to the U.S., or from the Philippines to the U.S., is because the corruption in their governments keeps the people poor. Preventing people from getting ahead.

The problem is that when there is too much immigration into the U.S., where a new slave labor class is created, it destroys the integrity of the system we have in the U.S. that enables us to earn good money and obtain decent standards of living.

Uncontrolled illegal immigration destroys the very thing immigrants to the U.S. seek in the first place.

Originally posted by macman
While I agree that any person here illegally, is in fact here illegally, they still have some form of rights here.

Maybe international human rights... So... We can't torture them... Which we wouldn't anyway...

But they do not have the rights of an American citizen.

There are countless immigrants who came here legally and waited in line and everything...Go talk to some of them, as I have and you will see that they are just as angry if not more angry, than people born here in the US.

I remember one lady I talked to who is now a citizen said " I came here legally. I waited in line and I followed the laws because I respect this country that much... I look at these people and see the lack of respect they show for this country and it disgusts me. If they want to be here they can be here, but they must do it as I did. The legal way. Otherwise they do not belong here and I view them as traitors of this country."

Those were the words of a LEGAL immigrant. Very good words, I think.

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Did you not see that video I posted, read the article that went with it? This is a lot bigger then some lone nut with a shank.

The rhetoric is bigger than a lone nut but that act isn't. Even if it is made in the name of La Raza they know that they are not going to actually go against the US gov.

Originally posted by CobraCommander


We don't need a wall. We need comprehensive laws like the ones proposed in Alabama. If illegals cannot find a place to live here, it the doors to the schools are closed to them, they will not come here.

No. If there are no jobs because existing laws penalizing employers for hiring them are enforced they will not come. They are not coming for the schools. They care coming for the jobs. EVERYTHING else other than that is a distraction.

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The only reason illegal come into the U.S. is because they know they can get jobs earning far more than they earn in the U.S..

The employers know full well they are breaking the law when they hire illegals, and they are fully aware that they are hiring illegals. The employers also know that by hiring illegals they encourage more to come over illegally.

The real fact is that the employers of illegals are the ones who make most of the money, and so they should be punished heavily for their criminal actions.

They won't stop coming here until we repeal NAFTA and allow real free trade.

NAFTA has been detrimental for Mexicans, the Mexican government took down many barriers against the U.S, but the U.S erected even more barriers against Mexicans.

Basically the U.S expanded its market into Mexico, but didn't afford Mexican producers the ability to adapt to a new division of labor, because whatever goods Mexico had a comparative advantage in, the U.S would deny that advantage through the use of barriers.