In Alabama, a Harsh Bill for Residents Here Illegally

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Did you not see that video I posted, read the article that went with it? This is a lot bigger then some lone nut with a shank.

The rhetoric is bigger than a lone nut but that act isn't. Even if it is made in the name of La Raza they know that they are not going to actually go against the US gov.

They already have by devastating our economy, and every night on the streets in shootouts with police. They are challenging our way of life from within, by legal means, and from without, overtly with weapons. A very thorough insurgency.

reply to post by CobraCommander


Oh no people, it's the COBRA COMMANDER. Quick, hide before he commands his cobras to bite you illegal aliens on ATS!

Rabble, rabble, dey tuk ur jubs.

Hey, how does it feel to rave and rant at a group of people you only have a vague representation of in your mind, either based on nothing or on limited social encounters?

How about not ripping into the people(who are people like yourself) but instead ripping into the companies, politicians and police departments who create the problems in the first place so that you will run to them when your panties are in a bunch?

"Derp derp derp, they came here illegally! "

That's because your federal government and border agents have a scheme in mind to expand the US's grip, Canada as a buffer against Russia and Mexico as to be closer to those "damn latin taliban" in South America.

They sell arms to drug cartels, they make deals with drug cartel leaders. They F#K over entire villages and cities. Where do you expect the people to go? Riot against drug cartels? Go to police that's too scared to do sh-? Remember, your government has been sponsoring drug cartels in South America for DECADES now, with military grade weaponry and communications.

But then again, "CobraCommander" should tell enough to readers.

And once again, because it can't be said enough times, the "illegal immigrant" is a boogy man. And he's in your closet. Believe in the boogy man?

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by CobraCommander


We don't need a wall. We need comprehensive laws like the ones proposed in Alabama. If illegals cannot find a place to live here, it the doors to the schools are closed to them, they will not come here.

No. If there are no jobs because existing laws penalizing employers for hiring them are enforced they will not come. They are not coming for the schools. They care coming for the jobs. EVERYTHING else other than that is a distraction.

That's not true. Especially when it comes to secondary education. They certainly are coming for the schools, and the medical and the welfare.

Of 70% of illegals are on welfare, they are not here for the work.

reply to post by poet1b

The only reason illegal come into the U.S. is because they know they can get jobs earning far more than they earn in the U.S..

What's wrong with wanting a good paying job?

Is it because they are ``Mexicans``? Do they not deserve an opportunity at a good paying job too?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

The only reason illegal come into the U.S. is because they know they can get jobs earning far more than they earn in the U.S..

The employers know full well they are breaking the law when they hire illegals, and they are fully aware that they are hiring illegals. The employers also know that by hiring illegals they encourage more to come over illegally.

The real fact is that the employers of illegals are the ones who make most of the money, and so they should be punished heavily for their criminal actions.

Cant disagree with that. But I see no reason why we should not attack the problem from all sides. But certainly, the ones who profit most, should be the ones to pay damages.

reply to post by CobraCommander

They already have by devastating our economy

How so?

Please be explicit as possible.

reply to post by Zamini


You have made some ignorant assumptions about me. I suggest you go back and read some more of my comments. I know latino immigrants quite well considering that I have some in my family.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by poet1b

 

The only reason illegal come into the U.S. is because they know they can get jobs earning far more than they earn in the U.S..

What's wrong with wanting a good paying job?

Is it because they are ``Mexicans``? Do they not deserve an opportunity at a good paying job too?

Nothing wrong with wanting a good paying job. Something wrong with breaking the law to get it.

Just because I want to be a doctor, does not mean that I can practice medicine without a degree and a license.

Originally posted by CobraCommander
They already have by devastating our economy, and every night on the streets in shootouts with police. They are challenging our way of life from within, by legal means, and from without, overtly with weapons. A very thorough insurgency.

Not much different than other criminal groups throughout the history of the US.

They all ended up melting in the pot that is the US. I have seen anchor babies who don't even like visiting Mexico and can't wait to get back stateside. Many second and third generation kids don't even speak spanish.

Sure you have seen those that believe in the movement but it's mostly talk.

You can't see those that have assimilated simply because they have assimilated.

reply to post by CobraCommander

Something wrong with breaking the law to get it

It's really not breaking the law when the State does not ``enforce`` it.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

They already have by devastating our economy

How so?

Please be explicit as possible.

I have already explained several times in this thread, and you can do a quick Google search to find the economic impact of illegals.

But I think the fact that 70% of illegals are on welfare is telling enough.

reply to post by Rockdisjoint


Closet racism.

Somehow, someway.

It always comes out in political discussions, because the truth is; not a lot of people think about what they say before they say/type it. And as political discussions can get rather heated and emotions are pesky things... ;-)

I mean, there's no way they are going to admit to this, so it'll only be my opinion (apparently) .

I've got experience with these types of people, they tend to be of the religious type and range from stupid to smart(but not smart enough to figure they're being played).

Heck, when you see immigrants whining about other immigrants is when it should become clear it's personal politics that matters. You see how the person whining has tried to get a job so many times and failed? Well, the first thing to do is point out that which is a recurring theme in him getting denied a job. Obviously, he focuses on illegal immigrants and how they are the problem - while being completely oblivious to the bigger picture.

Which if he had any clue about he'd be trying everything to bring together illegal and non illegal workers to DEMAND changes, fair changes. Rather than trying to divide folks some more, but hey, some politicians must be grateful, for him to spill his illogical fear of illegal immigrants on a site with 25 million hits/month(with most I presume being in America), free advertising, marketing of ideology and whatnot!

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
They already have by devastating our economy, and every night on the streets in shootouts with police. They are challenging our way of life from within, by legal means, and from without, overtly with weapons. A very thorough insurgency.

Not much different than other criminal groups throughout the history of the US.

They all ended up melting in the pot that is the US. I have seen anchor babies who don't even like visiting Mexico and can't wait to get back stateside. Many second and third generation kids don't even speak spanish.

Sure you have seen those that believe in the movement but it's mostly talk.

You can't see those that have assimilated simply because they have assimilated.

Well, you certainly wouldn't know that my sister-in-law was Mexican, but of course, he mother came here legally too.

But again, if yo don't think there is a 5th column and overtly violent terrorist faction here in the US, you are either severely misinformed or simply turning a blind eye to the facts laid out in the article I linked.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

Something wrong with breaking the law to get it

It's really not breaking the law when the State does not ``enforce`` it.

Tell that to this guy...

I got threatened with jail time after applying for financial aid

reply to post by Zamini


I was literally stabbed by an illegal on a job site so that his cousin could get my job. This was not the only time I lost a job DIRECTLY to an illegal immigrant.

reply to post by CobraCommander


Yeh, sure. No. Bad apples and whatnot..

PS.

I don't give a crap about what you claim to be as a person, I go by the thinking patterns combined with bits of information you present on here via your typing.

You know, America without any illegal immigrants would be no America at all. Literally. Your country would collapse from one day to the other. Ever wonder why the government is so lazy at combating this "problem" with immigrants? It's because they are useful to your government and your government can't admit any of your weaknesses as a nation, no way, that would make you not look good

What products does the US produce other than slave-labor(did I say slave labor? I meant prison labor) produced military equipment?

reply to post by Zamini


You use grade-school insults, with SouthPark references to discredit a position?
Is that the best you got?

The problem is with the general attitude of the illegal immigrants, who try to rationalize their behavior. They are here illegally, is that not important to you? If it's not then that is the fundamental issue, no respect of our laws, right from the get.

There is an issue with the corporate usage of illegal immigrants, as CobraCommander pointed out, it has to be dealt with on all fronts. It's every bit the illegal immigrants fault as it is the corporate.
There is NO excuse for them to be here, rationalize all you want.

Why do you think they are entitled to circumvent the system, just because they feel like they should be able to?
I'd like a million bucks, I can't go down to the local bank and say "hey!, I'm broke you're not, I deserve it, so gimme your cash out of the vault"

Just because 1 party is breaking our laws, does not give license to the 2nd party to break those laws.

You know you are on the wrong side of this argument, and it shows with your post.

reply to post by CobraCommander

I was literally stabbed by an illegal on a job site so that his cousin could get my job. This was not the only time I lost a job DIRECTLY to an illegal immigrant.

That's all well and fine but he did not stab you because he was an illegal immigrant. He stabbed you because he was *snip* nuts. You know the solution to the immigrant issues must come from within the group of immigrants by the more enlightened individuals combined with the brighter people on your side of the fence? That process can be helped if these individuals in a big group of people(and I will agree with you, big groups of people consist of a stupid majority) are not constantly demonized. There should be a saying: "demonizing people will turn them into demons".

reply to post by Zamini


Fine, this issue is certainly a lot bigger than me personally. But this country "needs" illegals like it needs another 9/11, which our own government ALSO thought was a good idea.

reply to post by Zamini

Closet racism.

I never said anything about racism. I doubt any of them are racist, but even if they are I see no problem with that.

Which if he had any clue about he'd be trying everything to bring together illegal and non illegal workers to DEMAND changes, fair changes. Rather than trying to divide folks some more, but hey, some politicians must be grateful, for him to spill his illogical fear of illegal immigrants on a site with 25 million hits/month(with most I presume being in America), free advertising, marketing of ideology and whatnot!

Have fun chasing that rainbow.