The quiet before the storm. Just so you can't say that you werent warned.

Originally posted by Unity_99
I still haven't lost interest in this avatar at all. The noses look really realistic. There is one thing that is going on in a large way, that hasn't been blown out of the water, there are going to be alot of people going down on every level, to the very top, when it is. And its going to be blown wide open. That is a given.

God is a great conversation, to me it means the Highest Love and Goodness and our Family. But one thing is, doing the work we came to do, passing the tests, growing Love and Service To Others, that is serving God/Goodness, with our free will in tact, choosing right with it. There are no pyramids, you have to turn them around.

And we're going to protect the children. What is hidden is going to be exposed and there will be justice. Every single child is going to be safe.

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You really really REALLY need to get yourself a woman.....or man......or goat....or whatever you prefer

Originally posted by renegadeloser
I'm stunned because this is the exact thing I've been struggling with. It seems to me that my will is the only thing that make me, me. I used to be under the standpoint that I am my thoughts. But investigation quickly dispelled that belief, because I can change my thoughts at will, so that's definitely not me. As far as I can tell what I define is me is the choice maker. If I don't make the choices, then I'm not really a thing a self, a person you know... I'm more like an eyeball.

Which is funny because when you look at the visions in the bible, you know the visions of heaven. They're in there if you look. They constantly talk about eyeballs, eyes. The highest angels, those that lie just before god, are just wheels covered in eyeballs... makes me think.

The eyes you are thinking about are the past, present, and future, and the wheels represent time. You are not thinking like an eternal being. Please incorporate that subroutine into your next update. Hehehe.

That tiny voice inside your head is your mind, your conscience, whatever you want to call it. It is not some outside force, if you believe that i would recommend seeking professional help. But I personally can not fathom a god who meets out justice individually for a civilization of gnats. Perhaps you can.

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Anyone who blames anyone but themselves is a weak minded individual imo.

If you have ever had a experience like a high '___' dose from trauma or near death you would know there is no god!!
The Astral division has no god in any dimension and there are many!
People must realize something and it is that we have been spoon fed fairy tales of belief and dogma that is meant to control your subconscious why can no one see this? Serious why can you not see this?

And if you do follow scripture like the bible for example look at it this way, there is a guy named luke, john, etc but did you know these people?? no you didn't just like you don't know me so how can you take some guys word for it especially after it has been suppressed and rewritten etc etc, there was like 86 apostles but only a handful made it to the big book, the rest are hidden in the Vatican secret libraries.
The roman catholic church used to slaughter villages men and women way worse than Germany in the name of GOD and by his command they had retarded people that actually worked for the church that would talk to god and get orders and people believed this, if you told the story of noahs ark to a mentally handicapped person they would have 20 questions like "how did one guy build a boat so big?" "where did the all the wood come from" "how did he get all the animals there?" "why didnt all the animals start eating each other dont some animals eat other animals" like serious? and then again some people believe this as real life history, do you see how the control of the mind started if you read history and not just a book of non sense you would realize you have lived your entire life never knowing you have been had, its what sheep do...

And if your still convinced there is an imaginary being that is there judging you, just remember this Most people define themselves as fine eyed body but you are not fine eyed bodies, even under a microscope you are a energy field, what we know about energy is this you go to a quantum physicist and you say "what creates the world" and he or she will say " energy" and what is energy ? well describe energy " it can never be created or destroyed, it always was always has been that ever existed, it moves into form through form and out of form" then you ask a theologian "what created the universe?" and he or she will say God and when you ask them to describe God they will say "it can never be created or destroyed, it always was always has been that ever existed, it moves into form through form and out of form" you see it is the same description but different terminology.

So if you think you’re this big meat suite running around think again you are a spiritual being you are an energy field operating in a larger energy field. we are all connected we just don’t see it everything is one energy field, you are extensions of source energy you are here in these magnificent bodies but your body has distracted you from the most part of who you really are, you are source energy you are eternal beings you are god force you are that which you call god. We are the image and likeness of god, we are the infinite feel of unfolding possibility.
You were created in the image and likeness of the creative source you have god potential and power to create your world around you you are what you oh so divinely seek, research '___' you might get a hint of what happens when you die... its proven and scientifically proven that your pineal gland releases huge amounts of '___' (Dimethyltryptamine) when you die and this is just a means of transferring your energy to the source energy, you will see when your light goes out or when you have inhaled some '___', the only difference is when inhaled your only there for about 5 min our time and back into reality 100% in 15 min.
I should also note every night when you dream and you are in Deep REM(rapid eye movement) your pineal also releases small doses of '___'(Dimethyltryptamine).

I am open to answer any questions regarding everything I have wrote I might even make a thread all about my theory.

maybe you can cut it back some for the people who dont read so well and dont want to be here all day =/

tldr; jesus died for your sins and now hes coming back with a vengeance to rapture the hell out of all you sinners.

Your conscious allows us to make choices. Choices are what define us as who we are.

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I believe your conscious lives on after you are dead. I also believe that that energy has to go somewhere. Also, that somewhere is wherever you want to go. Your choice.

Originally posted by djzombie

maybe you can cut it back some for the people who dont read so well and dont want to be here all day =/

tldr; jesus died for your sins and now hes coming back with a vengeance to rapture the hell out of all you sinners.

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That is quite an oppinion. I never met that individual personally. Did this person say this to you?

If you can't trust your own "instincts" then who can you "trust"?

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I kept reading

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I stopped reading at the angel part... mainly because it was too hard with so much text and jumping back and forth.

That being said, in the concept of free will - perhaps if we change the words from free will, to creating your reality. And I don't want to get all spiritual in the concept here, more simplistic.

When I married my ex-wife I created that reality of being with her. I also created the reality of her affair with her colleague and then my marriage breakdown. Did I try to create the affair or the marriage breakdown? of course not, but I did ask her to marry me, with scant regard of the what if's/intuition/gut feelings etc.

You see on that basis, my free will at one point, had a reaction later on, and we all know every action has a reaction (whether good or bad). So perhaps the concept of free will is flawed, but a new concept of being responsible for what happens in your life isn't so much flawed?

From a spiritual/soul perspective - or reincarnation - it is believed we come back to repay karma - or learn life lessons. In some ways that is the only logical explanation for some atrocities taking place - because a young child/newborn is unable to enact a level of free will which wouldn't be able to have an affect of their environment. But trying to keep beliefs out of this conversation, I will stick to the points above.

The facts are, no-one can prove nor disprove anything beyond which has yet been proven or disproven. We do not know what we do not know, and if we do not know it, how on earth are we supposed to find out how to know it? The fact is, in the greater scheme of the universe we are smaller than ants on this planet. We are almost insignificant. We try to make sense of something that really we can make no sense of. Creationism and Evolution are two senseless examples of humans theorizing about something we will never fully be able to ever comprehend.

Until we became consciously aware we knew nothing beforehand, and until we physically die, we will know nothing afterwards. Science cannot offer an answer, religion tries to offer hope.

What I have noticed is that, I haven't seen God or any other deity figure working magic on planet earth, nor have I heard accounts of it happening. Perhaps if God (in whatever form we believe) exists, God is waiting for humanity to stop our pointless bickering and instead try to fix our own problems, as a united people.

Perhaps if we focused less on points of difference, and came together on points of unity then God (if it exists) would actually come down and create the heaven on earth I think we all wish for. Ultimately by which point we would have created it ourselves anyway!

Instead we look to God to fix our problems, or Jesus, or Muhammad, Buddha, Aliens, Government, our friends, neighbours and families.... perhaps the reality is, we can fix problems ourselves if we started thinking and acting for the good of all.

Sadly though it seems like some form of miracle will need to take place before we wake up and start acting in such a way. And when we did, our free will, sense of destiny/purpose and responsibility would actually be in alignment!

Many people have reported sighting such things as UFOs, bigfoot, the loch ness monster..... there are many opinions on ancient technology, previous civilizations, ghosts, NWO, government conspiracies.... and that's why people and fellow members come HERE, to read about what interests them and at times encounter new ideas about stuff they are only beginning to explore, but I personally wish there were less posts and threads about, and frankly, threats about, my impending doom and destruction because I am not a good enough Christian (judge not lest ye be judged!) for some that don't know me. I'm glad people have the opportunity to express their thoughts and opinions here at ATS, but I would like to see the mods curtail all these religious threads unless they are specifically placed in a religious forum so that if a person chooses to read them, he or she can, but I find them about as welcome as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses that come to my door without my invitation. The bible is there for anyone to read and get from it what they will. If a person chooses to go to church or otherwise share their time with others of their same belief, that is certainly their right, I would hope and have fought to defend. But just as I would hope to not see evangelical preachers on ESPN when I am hoping to watch some sports, I would also hope that when I come to ATS to read about what interests me, I won't have to face so many religious threads in forums not related to religious matters. If I want to read them, I can find them.

Originally posted by cloaked4u
This is about CHOICES. So, if you believe in what you wrote, then do not get mad at or bash peoples with other oppinions, because that is a CHOICE. Respect the choice or not, still a choice. We all have different paths that lead us in different directions. Whether they are physical, mental, or other i do not see or know about. Still, people and all walks of life take these paths. My thought process. I think, therefore i am comes to mind. Oh, and by the way. If you are not in a state of mind/conscious, thus you do not think and therefore have no thought to make any choices. The only choice you get is one that fate put on you. roll the dice, so to speak. Yes, that is a choice, but was not a conscious one, tho a conscious person can make that choice also. You think that all humans have a choice? Not true. Sometimes you have no choice. Example: Do you think you had the choice to be here on earth? To live in this galaxy or this bubble we call space. Sure, once you were born you began to learn. You learned everything in your little environment. The environment of physical, mental, or what i do not see or know about. You learned because you were conscious. Whether that being an energy wave of conscious, a physical human conscious, or anything that is conscious. This is what i believe, this is my choice, my choice. You can do whatever you want, but just remember that you live in this bubble called space along with other consciousness around you. So, with that said. PEACE BE WITH YOU BROTHER.

choices, that is what defines you. Makes you.

Originally posted by cloaked4u
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I believe your conscious lives on after you are dead. I also believe that that energy has to go somewhere. Also, that somewhere is wherever you want to go. Your choice.

But what makes you believe that? please elaborate.

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Imagine theirs no heaven....
Its easy if you try,
No Hell below us
Above us only sky..
Imagine all the people,
Living for today.

Imagine theirs no countries..it isnt hard to do.. Nothing to kill or die for... and no religion too.
If we could only Imagine

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My opinion based on events of others and what happened to me. I am not alone here and neither are any of you. People say things, stories, granted. People lie alot sometimes, but people don't lie all the time. Some of these events are true. I put them all together and come up with a conclusion of my own.

Interesting thread, and I feel much resonance with the message you're trying to share.

The issue of free will and individual will and the Will of God is one that is confusing for many. What does free will mean? I'm free to make any choices that I may desire? Even if the outcome leads to myself or others getting hurt? If I get hurt through making a mistake or wrong decision, can the will that exercised that choice really be considered to be free? Does free will mean that we're free to make mistakes and learn from them in this world of cause and effect? If so, where does that leave the idea of divine punishment? Can it really be free will when not only do we suffer the consequences of our will, but in addition we are also punished by our Creator for exercising this "free" will.

There's a contradiction here, and I hope any serious seeker - and anyone who believes in the idea that God must somehow be vengeful - will take a look at it. Free will means we're free. Forever. It's that simple. We're free to create whatever we want in this world. God will not punish us for it. Why would He? Seriously, why would He? Why would a God of Love ever have need for vengeance of any kind?

We're simply free to experiment with our individual wills. This world of cause and effect allows us to learn through experiencing the effects of our choices, and because we often create so much suffering for ourselves, it's really only a matter of time before each soul begins to tire of the game. When that happens, we become ready to lay down our individual free will, and ask for the Will of God to be returned to our minds.

The Foundation for the Holy Spirit

We are all the child of God. That is who we are. Our awareness is not focused on this fact, because our awareness is focused on the world. The world is quite literally a distraction from God. It is a place where we choose to experience individual will instead of the one Will of God.

We are loved and we are free. The expression of our freedom within the world is not a sin. It is also not our joy. Joy is freedom as it is expressed in Heaven.

At some point, each one of us seeks to return to inner peace and the true joy of Heaven. When we do, the Holy Spirit guides us from within in a way that is most helpful.

The Foundation for the Holy Spirit is here to help you as you awaken to the quiet voice within. It is this Voice that will lead you back to the awareness of God.

The book in the website above is called the Holy Spirit's Interpretation of the New Testament, otherwise known as NTI. The Book of Acts is offered for free download, and this book focuses on teaching us how to learn to listen to the voice of guidance within us. I want to quote two parts of this book, because coincidentally this is precisely what I have been learning and applying over the last two weeks. It's kind of cool that I've found this thread today, as it gives me that chance to try and teach the very things I'm learning.

NTI Acts - PDF download

From Chapter four:

You believe you have stolen yourself from God. That is to say, you believe you have made yourself separate from God’s Will. You believe it is your choice to follow God’s Will or your own, and you feel guilty for this choice, because you believe it is a sin to have made a will that is separate from God’s.

Your guilt, born of the choice to have a separate will, leaves you feeling unworthy of God’s Will. And so, out of your guilt and sense of unworthiness, you deny God’s Will by not hearing it, or by hearing it, but by not believing you are deserving to follow it.

And then from Chapter five:

An obstacle to hearing the Holy Spirit is your own sense of guilt and unworthiness. It is this we must look at . . . for it is this guilt that seems to bring on your death.

We will talk about this guilt slowly and carefully, that you may look at this belief deeply and with right-reason, so you may choose to release a belief that you do not need to keep.

First, we must discuss what God is. I have told you that God is Life, and that Life is eternal. Since you accept that God is eternal and God gives life, this may not be difficult for you to accept. So let’s take this thought another step.

God is Life,
and you live,
so Life must be within you.
This means that God is within you also.

At this point, you may feel a temptation to pull away from My logic, but please do not pull away just yet. Let’s examine why you want to pull away and look at that closely.

God is within you. This is a thought that you are tempted to reject. The reason you want to reject this thought is because you believe that God is good, but you are guilty. Therefore, you determine that God cannot be in you, and you must be separate from God. If God is Life, which you have accepted, and you are separate from God, then it must be that you are separate from Life. And that is death. That is why death seems to rule your world. It is because you believe that your guilt keeps you separate from God.

But can you not see that this is another loop of reasoning that does not make sense?

For right now, you do live. Right now, as you sit reading this, you live. So right now, you cannot be separate from God. Right now, God is in you and you are in God. There is no separation. Right now, your oneness with God is complete, and there is nothing that is hidden or not in accordance with your oneness. Right now, everything is perfect, because everything is God.

What is it that you must do? You must release your guilt. There is no reason to hide it, for there is no judge to hide it from. God is Life, and He has given His gift to you. And you are living it. No crime has been committed, because you live. It is only the belief that you have committed a crime that must be healed. This belief is healed by bringing your guilt into the Light and finding that you are not judged. Released into the Light, there is no guilt, for God has witnessed no crime.

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Damn man, I hope you didn't misinterpret the message, or realise that the idea of a rapture is a modern Christian fundamentalist idea.

I hope you are in good favour with the flying spaghetti monster. FSM may have something to say about this whole 'rapture' situation.

Plus, FSM worship involves beer volcanoes and strippers. What more do you need?

Originally posted by Brianegan
The quiet before the storm. (Its about to get a whole hell of a lot worse if every person doesn’t take a minute and listen to me right now.)

well i guess its going to get a whole lot worse then because when you said

I don't give a # about myself.

I stopped believing you. Try being in a near fatal situation and tell me that again with a straight face. Sometimes you need to stare death in the eye to realize the strength of your own survival instinct.

If it meant that it would save everyone I wouldnt hesitate and you can that to the bank but Im hoping it wont come to that. (for obvious reasons) lol....But I still would and so here is why I say that.

you can't even finish the paragraph without doubting your resolve..
then I glance down and see christian flavoured preaching...
Sorry but this isn't my cup of tea, not that I drink the stuff

Peace,
-Bob

I did not believe in things like bright orbs, till i saw one for myself. I was asleep and then my girlfriend woke me up and asked me what was that. I looked and said, i don't know. so we stared at it for 5 min and then i said i wanted to touch it and then it moved when i got off the bed and then it faded thru the wall and when it did i could see the outside. All the windows were closed and the door to the bedroom was shut no lights on. Weird. I figured that this was one of those weird orbs some people talked about. Some people on the web think orbs are dust balls. Sure, alot of them are that are flying around when they take a pic or video of it. This was no dust ball. It was a bright yellow ball the size of a golf ball. Definately no dust ball. I had other exsperiences also. So everyone cannot be lying all the time. I was in a car accident, long before i saw the orb. A head on collision, my head went into the windshield. I woke up and the ambulance driver was putting a neck brace on me and told me not to move. I grabbed the rear view mirror and looked at myself. My head and face soaked in blood, i passed out i think. After that i awoke in the hospital. A man was staring at me. I asked him if he was waiting for someone, he said, Yes. Then a lady came in to check on me. The man walked out. The lady did some of my bandages and i asked who the gentleman in the room was. She replied, who. I said the man who walked past you when you came in. He said that he was waiting for someone. She replied, there was noone. She did the bandages and left and a doc came in and asked if i had any headaches or dizzyness. I said no. He asked me to stay for awhile so that they could watch me before they released me. I later got picked up by my sister and went home. I do not know who the man was or who he was waiting for. I have never saw a ghost, but i have seen things fly off my brothers tv set while we were watching it. My other sister said that she and my mom were walking home from a friends house a mile away on what was a country road and that they experienced what she said as it took way to long to reach the end of the gravel road. Said it took like a couple of hours. The gravel road is only a quarter mile if that and the rest of the way was tar. I had an experience, i could swear i been there and told the owner of the house where things were and i was never at the house. My brother in the gravel pit said he heard a voice of a woman. The voice was wispering to him. The same place where he found a box of silver forks,spoons, set. He still has them. I heard of people talk of a weird mist that comes and goes and when it comes it hangs around a certain place. The mist a figure is in the center according to a little boy who i met and now is not a little boy. He calls it the dark man. My other sister has photos, weird photos. Some immages blurred out only in a certain area in the cemetary. Also she took pics in the gravel pit of two immages of two figures like in a white smoke of a child and a woman. Anyways, this is why i believe that your energy does not die, it goes somewhere.