The Extent of Jewish Control

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Unrivaled1

 

I believe in logic. Not morals. If logic follows morals, then it is acceptable. Morals are an invention of man. Logic and common sense are not.

Logically speaking, it is easier for you to show one, not all, just one nation that is not from stolen land, than it is for me to go down the 1000+ years of history of over 200 nations and how they stole land.

If you cannot see the logic in that, then you're a very sad man.

Logic proves every nation is stolen. The first people on Earth were nomadic tribes that settled here and there. Every single occupiable land on Earth is claimed by a nation. None of those nations are currently nomadic. Ergo, every nation is stolen from those unnamed, long forgotten nomadic peoples. There is no land on earth not stolen.

Ok lets get this right shall we, you say you follow logic, and please correct me if im wrong but it seems your insinuating that you don't believe in morals because they are man made. Yet i see in your other post you say - '' The Bible states ..............''

Thankyou for a great laugh before bed.

reply to post by Unrivaled1


Can you find the word morals in the bible? Morality is mentioned, but it is used in the context of the logic of God in terms of marriage. The idea of morals, as a guiding force for society, is not present in the Bible.

Alright here's the reality of this. The angry dude that started this post is clearly an antisemite. Yea maybe you don't want to kill any jewish people, but you are against Jews in one way or another. That's what an antisemite is. You are pissed off because you think something is wrong with Israel and therefore the Jewish people. Well hell yea there's problems with Israel and their government. Their in the #ing middle east it would be strange if there wasnt problems with the government. The Jewish politicians in America don't have a secret formula to getting there. Jews in general want to have positions of power. Its become a tradition in many jewish families to work hard. Jews have been through a lot. Pretty reasonable that they will work hard to get into positions of power. Nothing wrong with that, no secret no conspiracy, just a group of people that is known for working hard to be positions of power. Israel has a good public relations team. They make mistakes and hide them. Palestine and many other arab countries that help Palestine try to show off these Israeli mistakes, because sympathy is good for them. Israel is clearly the stronger of the two, and they can not use sympathy. Everybody wants to cheer for the underdog, which is palestine. Also, jews, as we have seen in history, are just a people that for some reason pisses others off. Whatever it is, people get pissed at the jews and target them. Angry dude, stay angry, you seem like you will be bitter. Fellow teenagers, god bless you in times of awakening. Everybody else, namaste

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Elbereth

 

I know it is fact. But if Israel has control of the most powerful, technologically advanced nation on Earth, then the removal by military force or nuclear strike of one small not-advanced nation should not be a problem. Anything else, and you cannot claim Israel controls America. If it's too far, then they do not have control of America.

I don't think your description of Iran is accurate. They are more advanced than you give them credit for. And I would say that Israel has undue influence over American foreign policy and has actively forwarded its own interests to the detriment of this country's. I don't agree with the OP that they actually control this country. That conspiracy, unfortunately, goes well beyond Israel.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Elbereth

 

We can find our own oil, and hell, it's foolish to think that the government couldn't just take over Tesla or someone and replace oil cars. In fact, it's foolish to think America couldn't just pay farmers to put up solar arrays on some crops. We pay them enough subsidies already. It's perfectly practical that America could liberate from Opec and Israel, let the region burn, and reclaim itself as a technological leader. A decent charismatic leader could probably make his political career on that.

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One hell of thread that you started. I have never seen such a no biased intellectual discussion on ATS ( ;

reply to post by Elbereth


Every one of America's allies controls America's foreign policy. I think this is true. I think Israel and the Brits have the largest chunk of influence, but at the end of the day America doesn't really care what Israel wants. America controls Israel, I think. And uses it as a puppet for whenever it wants a war to test new military hardware, or get a region under its influence. Rome did it in Spain, and Russia did it in Europe. It's a scapegoat strategy. While they blame Israel, America takes over the region. In this case, because most of the oil goes to Asia, I think its to prevent a war with China over resources.

However, I don't think Iran is very advanced. Not beyond 80s tech. It's a different world. America is quite literally technologically a century ahead of Iran. It's like a giant gorilla is standing between two flies fighting. The gorilla maybe likes the fly with red eyes more than the one with black eyes, who knows. it could squish either at will.

Originally posted by LoveAndPerseverence
Alright here's the reality of this. The angry dude that started this post is clearly an antisemite. Yea maybe you don't want to kill any jewish people, but you are against Jews in one way or another. That's what an antisemite is. You are pissed off because you think something is wrong with Israel and therefore the Jewish people. Well hell yea there's problems with Israel and their government. Their in the #ing middle east it would be strange if there wasnt problems with the government. The Jewish politicians in America don't have a secret formula to getting there. Jews in general want to have positions of power. Its become a tradition in many jewish families to work hard. Jews have been through a lot. Pretty reasonable that they will work hard to get into positions of power. Nothing wrong with that, no secret no conspiracy, just a group of people that is known for working hard to be positions of power. Israel has a good public relations team. They make mistakes and hide them. Palestine and many other arab countries that help Palestine try to show off these Israeli mistakes, because sympathy is good for them. Israel is clearly the stronger of the two, and they can not use sympathy. Everybody wants to cheer for the underdog, which is palestine. Also, jews, as we have seen in history, are just a people that for some reason pisses others off. Whatever it is, people get pissed at the jews and target them. Angry dude, stay angry, you seem like you will be bitter. Fellow teenagers, god bless you in times of awakening. Everybody else, namaste

Oh dude careful!
Don't call dare call him anti-semite, mention the fact he has linked to white sepremacist site...

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Unrivaled1

 

Can you find the word morals in the bible? Morality is mentioned, but it is used in the context of the logic of God in terms of marriage. The idea of morals, as a guiding force for society, is not present in the Bible.

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Honestly Gorman91, i only have 1 more thing to say to you and i truly mean it wholeheartedly and with the best intentions -
If you are serious about seeking logic and knowledge you need to put that book down my friend.

Thats me done for now i need to catch my ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Peace and Positive Energy to all

reply to post by Unrivaled1


Oh but you fail to understand. I followed logic as an atheist, and it inevitably lead me to look at the religions of the world. Christianity was the most logical. Logic is not after being Christian. Christianity came about from logical atheistic origins.

This CAN be and WILL be discussed maturely and intellectually

Any more attacks on Members, Childish Snide Comments or Ill Mannered Posts and Post Bans will ensue

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A year ago, perhaps longer?, I'd certainly disagree. But I can't now. Perhap's something's-a-foot?

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One thing I'll give Obama credit for, he doesn't fall on his knees when it comes to Israel. He could do better by cutting off all military/foreign aid to them, and all countries for that matter, but I mean come on. How long are we going to have Israel on America's teat?

They're a big boy now, time to do this on their own.....

Being a dam Jew myself i don't know where i need to go to sign up in other to activate my mossad membership. Funny thing men i fought that jews where born with such things. But i guess my family working hard and my determination and not enough. I do not feel any loyalty to any country or religion. I only fight for the advancement and good for all of humanity. If you fear that us Jews contr\ol you than the scapegoat method is working well. I am sick of apologizing for jews have it accused to some of you that. This kind of threads that make people fight and not seek solution is what the elites want. It

So someones blood a key determiner in religious and political affiliation. Pretty sure those are learned...programmed, whatever.

There seem to be quite a few left leaning people in all bloodlines.

Do you really think all jews are right wing? because that woul be ....AWESOME!!!! Awesome if you thought that ya know?

It would like defy science in a very comedic way. Yea man, the holofake never happened. Its those big nosed jews! Let me tell you a story bout this little jew girl i know.

Shortening names so to sound less 'jewish'.

I wish i was jewish. Thatd be such awesomenes. Still dont understand from where the jew sprung?

Is Batman a jew? Superman?

reply to post by AngryOne


Because it's highly speculative?

I underhand why many people think that the Palestinians are the victims here but ones cannot be biased towards one group. you have too see the conflict from both perspectives in order to understand how it is effecting the victims from both sides of the conflict. Is Hamas really is interested in Israelis security likely not same with the israel. In order to end the suffering of the Palestinians both sides need to work on their leather ship and find leathers that are interested in peace and not other things.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Elbereth

 

Every one of America's allies controls America's foreign policy. I think this is true. I think Israel and the Brits have the largest chunk of influence, but at the end of the day America doesn't really care what Israel wants. America controls Israel, I think. And uses it as a puppet for whenever it wants a war to test new military hardware, or get a region under its influence. Rome did it in Spain, and Russia did it in Europe. It's a scapegoat strategy. While they blame Israel, America takes over the region. In this case, because most of the oil goes to Asia, I think its to prevent a war with China over resources.

However, I don't think Iran is very advanced. Not beyond 80s tech. It's a different world. America is quite literally technologically a century ahead of Iran. It's like a giant gorilla is standing between two flies fighting. The gorilla maybe likes the fly with red eyes more than the one with black eyes, who knows. it could squish either at will.

I don't agree that we don't really care what Israel wants. Do you follow American presidential politics? And in the Yom Kippur War we went to Defcon 3 over the threat to Israel. I remember the Phantom jets patrolling the LA Basin. Scary! That was no joke, and you better believe Israel is under our nuclear umbrella, regardless of their own impressive deterrent capability.

Saying America controls Israel beggars credulity. Examples of this control? I'm not sure you are keeping up with current events, because Netanyahu just told BHO to stuff it regarding returning to 1967 borders. Some control. The Brits? Are you kidding? They damn well do our bidding. Don't you remember all the caricatures of Blair as Bush's poodle in the British press during Desert Storm? Iranians stuck in the '80's? Google Iranian military technology. Ever heard of supercavitating torpedoes? Goodby aircraft carrier group.