Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking part in beauty contest'

reply to post by ShadowZion


why are they everywhere then?

ya think they would be all dead, right?

but nooooooooooo, they keep showing up in more places.

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by ShadowZion

 

You live under Sharia law, do you? Then answer these simple questions:

-can you vote for governmental representation?
-are women free to wear what they choose?
-are women allowed out in public without male supervision?
-are women afforded equal rights in a court of law?

edit on 9-6-2011 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

yes they are actually i will have you know!

you are being lead to believe that all of the muslim world is like saudi arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the most strict place out of all the UAE and arab lands.

this where what you have said will occur because it is heavily enforced there.

because of the western movement in the other countries that are part of the GCC the sharia law is not as heavily forced.

women are given equal rights in the court of law, however they are not allowed to become judges, only males are, as well as lawyers.

yes women are allowed out in public without male supervision.

no women are not allowed to wear what ever they please - must not show shoulders and must not show knees and must not be too revealing.

no i cannot vote for anything to do with the government or how it is run because there is a royal family and they govern everything.

King is known as a sheikh out here

but yes i do live under sharia law!

the only thing that sharia law prevents me from doing is that if someone has a heart attack and they need help, unless i am a medically trained doctor or have a first aid license i will be sentenced for it as a crime as i was the last person to touch that person and i had no medical training.

but this is slowly fading away.

muslim countries like dubai and abu dhabi and nice peaceful places, you can do pretty much what you want when you want.

you cant walk down the street with a beer.

but you can pop down to a on license and buy a few and go home and drink, or you can go to clubs and have a good time.

the strict muslim laws only really count for muslims. so dont fret my child as they dont really affect you!

reply to post by ShadowZion


all well and good, but it's the knives, ak-47's, ied's and beatings that turn me off,

more than a well dressed kid and a book.

maybe not there in good ol SA, not south africa, but there are lots of places that really take sharia to heart.

wahabbism is pretty tough so i don't blame you saying what you did.

i watch what i say too.

reply to post by ShadowZion


Dont fret for me as I refuse to patronage countries that treat women as second class citizens.

Its those whose freedoms are restricted from birth that im worried about. I believe these restrictions and repressive governments are what is causing the Arab uprising we are currently seeing in Yemen, Syria, Eqypt and more.

And thank you for proving my point. NO government should be in charge of what we wear, who we chose to date, or what, if any religion we subscribe to.

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by ShadowZion

 

Dont fret for me as I refuse to patronage countries that treat women as second class citizens.

Its those whose freedoms are restricted from birth that im worried about. I believe these restrictions and repressive governments are what is causing the Arab uprising we are currently seeing in Yemen, Syria, Eqypt and more.

And thank you for proving my point. NO government should be in charge of what we wear, who we chose to date, or what, if any religion we subscribe to.

you live on the other-side of the earth, Canada to be exact, I live in the fire! These restrictions have nothing to do with the uprising, these restrictions have been the same ever since and are still in play, if you think that (what i believe to be the start of world war 3) is because of women's rights, you are very very wrong.

Stand up against your NWO Fascist government, you wont even be able to breathe without someone telling you how!

reply to post by Raelsatu


You see these stories because you want to see them.

And the eyes you see the story with are closed to the rest of the world.

Stop letting the media own your mind.

reply to post by Maslo

Weird. The news source is very doubtful.
On a second reading it appears to be part of an orchestrated anti-Muslim campaing led by the likes of Netanyahu.

This is a boulevard press piece owned by Murdoch I believe.

Originally posted by smartbuddy

A teenage Muslim girl was stoned to death under 'Sharia law' after taking part in a beauty contest in Ukraine.
Katya Koren, 19, was found dead in a village in the Crimea region near her home. Friends said she liked wearing fashionable clothes and had come seventh in a beauty contest. Her battered body was buried in a forest and was found a week after she disappeared.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

How can they use their "laws" as an excuse for murder, and they knew they had done wrong by concealing the poor girls body.

well here in america...you have gays and abortion doctors murdered by christian religous fanatics following gods law...so we have our own barbarians right here in the freedom loving U.S.A., no need to look in other countries.

reply to post by Maslo

The trouble with your argument is that Nazis were Western to the boot and they were WINNERS not losers like the most part of the Muslim world. So I think it was a rigtht choice then to attack - what I did not understand why not sooner. The US was still selling steel to NAzi Germany a few months before Pearl Harbor. Already knowing about the atrocities.

Now Sharia by fundamentalists is horrible and anti-life. I see no difference between our own fundamentalist assholes and theirs though. We force people one set of bull# theocratic rules and they force others. On some questions we are different from Sharia fundamentalists, and on some they are more civilized than we are. On some accounts no doubt you can indict them easliy.

The trouble is most Westerners when judging fundamentalist Islam do not take into account is that everything is more brutalk and more horrible when you are in a poorer country or one that was pushed back to the past by colonialism etc.
Which is partly the contribution of our own Western cultures.

After all, the single reason why we keep supporting fascist tyrants in the Muslim world is O.I.L.

And that is all the source of our bad conscience.

It is a giant projection screen. We need them, we suppress them, so we've got to say something awful about them time to time. To justify our own actions.

That is the white elephant in the living room.

Yes, stoning a girl for sexually explicit behavior is horrible, but then, whole nations paying interest and people dying in scores as a result of that is also horrible. IT IS JUST AS HORRIBLE? BUT DIFFERENT.

How do you make the father hate his sons and the wife betray her husband and children inform on their parents?

Make them adopt the Western system of INTERESTS. People will kill their own siblings for money - unless they are saints.
Well, Muslim law FORBIDS charging interests.

In that, it is much much more enlightened than ours. Yes, sexual repression and patriarchy is bad. And they are worse on that score - although I still have to see the stats on raping children and forced prostitution in a Western country as compared to your much maligned "sharia."

As World citizen put it, I am also against Western civilization - particularly the US, of which I ama citizen of - to take any moral high ground on this.

We simply see our own shadow in the whole projected Muslim problem and until we stop killing them and taking their oil and supporting their worst dictators we should not pass judgment on them.

And again, I question the source - as Muslims are a persecuted minority in the Ukraine. It could be that this news item is just like those news items served up by the Hungarian press on the barbaric customs of the Gypsies.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by smartbuddy

A teenage Muslim girl was stoned to death under 'Sharia law' after taking part in a beauty contest in Ukraine.
Katya Koren, 19, was found dead in a village in the Crimea region near her home. Friends said she liked wearing fashionable clothes and had come seventh in a beauty contest. Her battered body was buried in a forest and was found a week after she disappeared.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

How can they use their "laws" as an excuse for murder, and they knew they had done wrong by concealing the poor girls body.

well here in america...you have gays and abortion doctors murdered by christian religous fanatics following gods law...so we have our own barbarians right here in the freedom loving U.S.A., no need to look in other countries.

Why not?

I would post on the sickening people murdering doctors and gays in the USA, so why can i not post on it happening in the East?

Or do you only care about people on this side of the world?

reply to post by Kokatsi


Why can we not take the moral high ground?

I do not understand the position of people who say that we cannot look elsewhere and see the evils in other cultures when there are evils in our own. Yes, terrible things happen here, but do we not as a community on ATS discuss and complain about those things as well? Are we only allowed to talk about the bad here, and never there? Does that not do a great disservice to those suffering on the other side of the world?

If i want to take a moral high ground when discussing the murder of a girl in the East, i will, and i will never appologize for it. After all, i will take the moral high ground when discussing local matters, like a murder here in Canada. And by the same token, are YOU not taking the moral high ground yourself by saying that until we clean up our own problems, we have no right to discuss the wrongs in other parts of the world?

Wake up. Those of us here who discuss the evils of sharia law also discuss the evils at home. We are not as myopic as you would like to think.

Essentially, you are correct in your theory. And in that a lot of people critical of shortcomings of other cultures are also ciritcal of those of their own. And that is something we can be proud of - this feature is the best in Western democracies.
The only thing is, looking at things from a historical perspective, I am wary of anti-Muslim rhetoric because it smacks of the artificial hysteria whipped up by oil barons and Western neo-colonialists. In fact it somwehat reminds me of the Nazi rhetoric against the perceived weaknesses of European Jewry.

With this piece of "news" too, it turned out - if you read the later report - that the girl killed in the Crimea was not Muslim, and the reference to Sharia law by the perpetrator was a lame excuse of a lone psychopath in a country which does not practice Sharia law.

One that does, though, in excess, is Saudi Arabia, supported by the West against the wishes of all freedom-loving Arabs merely because the ritish Corwn put that family in charge of oil in the early twentieth century. Their Sharia is different from that of others, it is far stricter and far more medieval. Muslim theologians are not in agreement on everything and there are different shades.

There are real Muslim-specific problems in lot of layers of life in various countries such as India, Pakistan, which we do not even perceive or address because we get the distorted picture first.
A friend of mine that really has no prejudices - in fact he is quite critical of Western consumerism - recently visited Iran (the music and the literature of which we both love), and he was appalled by the power of the religious police (2009). Another thing that bothered him greatly was the horrible smog hovering everywhere in Tehran.
He had to leave sooner than he wanted to, even though he learned some Farsi and was in real sympathy with the ordinary Iranian.
I also have had Iranian friends who regret what sort of rule is in their country. One is a sociologist, Muslim by origin but not practicing any religion, married to an American. He wrote studies on how OUR extreme intolerance of their everyday values in the times of the Shah produced the dictatorship of the mullahs.

We are still fighting our own shadows.