Karma Has Been Scientifically Proven

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by inanna1234

 

Uh, sorry bud, but Karma isn't an "ancient practice," it's a teaching. And this experiment does very little to "prove" it. No one who has experienced the effects of what some call "karma" would need proof, though.

The general phenomenon is known by many names to many peoples. But I don't see science going there any time soon, because it involves reincarnation, which they aren't cool with, yet.

The study makes a good point on its own merits. Be good to people. You'll benefit in the process.

But "karma" is a bit more involved, as it includes factors of unawareness that most people don't know how to explain or deal with.

Keep searching!

*EDIT*
I read the whole thing now and updated below.

I didn't read the entire article, as I scrolled down to see the first response as I always do...

Karma is a practice dude. Yes, it's a teaching too... but to those that understand it, and believe in it... it's something that becomes a practice by nature of the belief.

Karma is the effects of doing good things, means good things will happen back to you.

People who believe in karma practice doing good things, and avoid anything that they would consider to be "negative."

So, in essence, everything that is a "teaching" is also a "practice" for once you have obtained the knowledge, you use it. Which is the definition of "practice" in that context.

You just wanted to rain on his parade.... I'm just here to be an umbrella. Educate, motivate, but don't stagnate homie... keep it real.

Read the thread now. Totally "proves" karma. However, it seems to me many people don't understand what it is.

It's not about helping some one build a barn, and one day you will get a lambo for doing that...

No, Karma is a practice about doing good for others, so other do good for you.

I.E.

You do something nice for someone, they will do something nice back.

In business, this CAN and probably WILL get you your lambo... provided you are good at what you do.

This is the essence of Karma. Help people, people help back. Give people oppertunities, receive some back... etc, etc...

And I am as shocked as the next that this needed scientific proving.... It's common sense, but not for the people who live in the negative karma... They are the people that need the proof.

Well I guess I will jump in and be the first "party pooper" on this topic. I believe karma does not exist. The fact that I am still alive is proof, IMO. It is only a philosophy to begin with anyways, and humans only perceive it to exist.
You can judge me all you want, this is a random internet forum so I personally do not care. But I have done quite a few negative things in my life. Terrible at that, and if karma really existed I should have been in my death bed years ago.
Coincidences happen. Sometimes you will do a nice thing and seem to be rewarded for it. However sometimes you will do a nice thing and then feel like you get dumped on after as well. So for you karma believers, how do you write those times off? Or do you just focus on the good events?
Just because you do something good does not mean you will automatically have something good happen back to you. The same goes for if you do something bad, it does not mean you will automatically have something bad happen to you either. Life happens. Stuff happens. Good things and bad things will happen, regardless of your actions.
I will not be giving specific examples of my life as to why I believe karma does not exist, sorry. Some of it would violate site terms and conditions.

Originally posted by Laokin

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by inanna1234

 

Uh, sorry bud, but Karma isn't an "ancient practice," it's a teaching. And this experiment does very little to "prove" it. No one who has experienced the effects of what some call "karma" would need proof, though.

The general phenomenon is known by many names to many peoples. But I don't see science going there any time soon, because it involves reincarnation, which they aren't cool with, yet.

The study makes a good point on its own merits. Be good to people. You'll benefit in the process.

But "karma" is a bit more involved, as it includes factors of unawareness that most people don't know how to explain or deal with.

Keep searching!

*EDIT*
I read the whole thing now and updated below.

I didn't read the entire article, as I scrolled down to see the first response as I always do...

Karma is a practice dude. Yes, it's a teaching too... but to those that understand it, and believe in it... it's something that becomes a practice by nature of the belief.

Karma is the effects of doing good things, means good things will happen back to you.

People who believe in karma practice doing good things, and avoid anything that they would consider to be "negative."

So, in essence, everything that is a "teaching" is also a "practice" for once you have obtained the knowledge, you use it. Which is the definition of "practice" in that context.

You just wanted to rain on his parade.... I'm just here to be an umbrella. Educate, motivate, but don't stagnate homie... keep it real.

Read the thread now. Totally "proves" karma. However, it seems to me many people don't understand what it is.

It's not about helping some one build a barn, and one day you will get a lambo for doing that...

No, Karma is a practice about doing good for others, so other do good for you.

I.E.

You do something nice for someone, they will do something nice back.

In business, this CAN and probably WILL get you your lambo... provided you are good at what you do.

This is the essence of Karma. Help people, people help back. Give people oppertunities, receive some back... etc, etc...

And I am as shocked as the next that this needed scientific proving.... It's common sense, but not for the people who live in the negative karma... They are the people that need the proof.

edit on 28-5-2011 by Laokin because: (no reason given)

Totally agree with you!

Dear najib aouni

Thank you so much for your donation you are the first from ATS to send these kids a dollar. I have put the website on quite a few time but you are the very first to respond.

Do let them all know how your Karma is doing.

Originally posted by MAC269
Dear najib aouni

Thank you so much for your donation you are the first from ATS to send these kids a dollar. I have put the website on quite a few time but you are the very first to respond.

Do let them all know how your Karma is doing.

Honestly there are lots of kids starving to death in North America... while its nice to send money to Africa and almost trendy now, I think I'm going to help kids in my own backyard. Dropping off food to the food bank and volunteering is much more rewarding

reply to post by inanna1234

It’s hardly news that doing acts of charity improves one’s self-esteem. I’m amazed this team got a grant to research such an obvious, universal phenomenon.

As many people have pointed out, this isn’t a proof of the principle (it is not a practice) of karma. That principle, as taught in Hinduism and other faiths of Indian origin, is one of actions engendering reactions and further actions over a period of several lifetimes. Reincarnation is assumed, because anyone can see that it does not operate within a single lifetime (despite the rare occasions of what we like to call poetic justice).

I think by Karma the researchers here mean 'If you do good, it comes back to you' ' If you do bad, it comes back to you' (in this life time).

Perhaps you heard this from some New Age type? Those confused folk treat the religious, philosophical and scientific traditions of the world like a pick-and-mix buffet. They never use words correctly because then the tastelessness and lack of nutrition of their choices will become obvious. The first New Agers were called Theosophists, and the rot began with them; they were the first to misuse the word.

Please don't be like these foolish people. The word karma has a specific meaning; best stick to it.

reply to post by Laokin

That's not karma, that's enlightened self-interest you're talking about.

I have to completely disagree with the results of this test... and that's based off my own experiences. I try to help people every chance I get, my job is to actually help people.... The only thing it ever gets me is a broken heart or foot steps all over my back, with the occasional $20 in my pocket.....

I'm going to continue being nice to people... because it's who I am... but every night i'm going to come home, alone, sit here, alone, fall asleep, alone... and wake up, alone. Rinse and repeat. I honestly believe there is no happiness in kindness.

Sorry for being a downer.

Its in human nature to help others, thats why we feel better when we help someone because its coded in our DNA.

Illusions

The original cgi envornment our minds,

That ring of the bell deep within when through doing good for others, by loving them doing good for them WITHOUT the expectation of reward good Karma,

Slowly makes the soul sing, Deep down we know there is no You and I

We are helping and loving OURSELVES,

There is no seperate "other

From a differant point of view.

Which ever way you want to be deluded by how we perceive you and me, it's a ssimple as this Pi** in the wind and only one way its going to go.

Elf

Originally posted by Astyanax

Perhaps you heard this from some New Age type? Those confused folk treat the religious, philosophical and scientific traditions of the world like a pick-and-mix buffet. They never use words correctly because then the tastelessness and lack of nutrition of their choices will become obvious. The first New Agers were called Theosophists, and the rot began with them; they were the first to misuse the word.

Please don't be like these foolish people. The word karma has a specific meaning; best stick to it.

edit on 28/5/11 by Astyanax because: of self-restraint.

What is this rude attitude toward New Age people about? Just because they have their own beliefs and it differs from others, that means that they are "confused" and "foolish"? I think the hate on New Age people are becoming a trend...

Consciousness is the ones! One love!

reply to post by inanna1234


I'm guessing this was one of their experiments. I hope he has good dental insurance....

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Anyway..... back on subject.

Karma is discussed in a very interesting way if you've ever read the book 'The Secret'. The author[s] discuss the manner in which like attracts like, meaning; if you do good things and focus on your goals, then these goals will be achieved, and if you focus on nothing but negativity and live with a "woe is me" attitude then you can expect nothing but a continuance of this kind of pattern. Our minds are constantly feeding our reality, and its up to us the kinds of lives that we lead. Everything from wealth, to heath, to the career we have, to the legacy we leave behind is entirely up to us.
This idea actually reinforces my belief of what Heaven & Hell actually are. They aren't literal places, they're states of mind, fed by karma, not rewards for the afterlife, but rewards for this life... as well as the next.

[Don't let the mob worry you. No one likes to have their beliefs challenged, especially if they've devoted their entire lives to them, hence the current state the world is in. Personally; I prefer the idea that we are instantly rewarded and/or punished for our deeds, and the proof of this system is all around us, rather than the old belief that we are rewarded/judged years down the line for lessons learned (or not).]

S&F

~Mactire

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by inanna1234

 

[Uh, sorry bud, but Karma isn't an "ancient practice," it's a teaching.]

Actually, It's A Universal Law, there are just "Teachings" that point to this Law.

"Whoever lives by the sword shall die by the sword"
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"
Whether they like it or not, Science and Spirituality will merge.....

Keep Searching...lol

edit on 28-5-2011 by Cannon because: (no reason given)

edit on 28-5-2011 by Cannon because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by 90percent10less
I can't believe people need scientific proof that doing good for others will do good for you.

It was a great study,and the nature would be really suitable for a university study because its the kind that would appeal to a large number of students. Alot more things get studied in university settings, than outside them. The students are a lot more open to step out of the box a bit too.

reply to post by inanna1234


One version of karma is simple cause and effect. I dont know why it would even need to be in question on that level, unless science were arguing for a deterministic universe, which, the mainstream is not. But of course science accepts cause and effect, in large, scientific method is based upon it.

Originally posted by Astyanax

"Perhaps you heard this from some New Age type? Those confused folk treat the religious, philosophical and scientific traditions of the world like a pick-and-mix buffet. They never use words correctly because then the tastelessness and lack of nutrition of their choices will become obvious. The first New Agers were called Theosophists, and the rot began with them; they were the first to misuse the word. "

Please don't be like these foolish people. The word karma has a specific meaning; best stick to it.

You say don't be like these foolish people??? Your words are full of Judgement... "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone." "With what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you " "Love your enemies"
You are correct in saying some folk are confused!!! Namaste, Jason
p.s. And no I am not a "New Ager"

www.youtube.com...

First Video of a lecture from Manly Palmer Hall 33rd degree free mason, philosopher, and mystic about karma and the magnetic fields of the human body. Pretty interesting if you want to take the time to listen.

reply to post by inanna1234


This isn't karma. When are people going to learn what karmic debt really is all about? Karmic debt is a lie.
It's like saying a child living under the roof of an abusive parent or parents chose that before being born again. We do reap what we sow. That is not karma. It's like saying for every single bad thing that happens to a person, that person deserved it for something done in this life or a former life.
Past lives, karmic debt, it's all a lie. Thanks to these idea's we have the Caste system of India.

"Karma" is over used and almost always used incorrectly.

Karma, or Kharma if one prefers, only affects the next incarnation
it has no effect on the current incarnation.

Your next life will reflect the kharma you have gained or lost during
this life.