If Ending Loveless Orgasm Is The Fingerprint to Enlightenment Than Veganism Is The Full Body Resurre

Do you agree or disagree?

As a spiritual being who has achieved enlightenment and as a vegan on his path to wisdom, I believe that any conscious and enlightened person would recognize the horror in consuming animals that have a soul in them and learn to cultivate themselves off of animal consumption. The reason I ask for spiritual seekers to cultivate themselves off of animal consumption is because I had a deep meditative dream in contact with a higher dimensional being and they told me that consuming animals is not the way of the universe because as humans evolve into a higher plane and reach into the stars, consuming animals is not an option. The universal way is to evolve into a species that absorbs the suns light and positive energy. The reason that consuming animal is not the universal way is because when you consume an animal, you eat a soul that has been reincarnated into an animal. That animal that you eat will be filled with pain, stress, and suffering. And when you consume that animal, those pains, and suffering will become part of you and your soul, so you will feel the pain, stress, and suffering too, which will stymie your spiritual development and ascension to a higher vibration plane. That is why it is important to become a vegan, so that you can start to cultivate yourself into becoming a species that utilize sunlight energy and positive energy. As for those who support humane animal meat because it is natural instead of veganism.

There is no such thing as humane animal meat because humane animal meat is an oxymoron and those that consciously advocate it, and conscious knows it. Can these conscious compassionate humane meat advocates be able to stand to witness, in addition to taking part in spending a day cutting the throat of a living animal, and claim morally and ethically at the day’s end that they slaughtered animals humanely, consciously, and compassionately? I’m assuming they cannot claim to slaughter an animal consciously, humanely, and compassionately as Tolstoy, Einstein, and Lin state, “Tolstoy summed it up by saying, "Vegetarianism is the taproot of humanitarianism." Einstein spoke of the human arrogance that considered ourselves apart and superior to other species, calling this justification for exploiting them "a kind of optical delusion of consciousness." According to Lin in “A Buddhist Perspective on Vegetarianism “, “Having a merciful and compassionate heart will show up in all aspects of one's life; but the simplest and most direct way is to follow a vegetarian diet.”” Even though it may seem natural to slaughter animals for human consumption because nature commits violence too, using nature to validate animal slaughter is unjust because in the past slavery and patriarchy were seen as natural too. Only in modern time has society reject to use the term nature to validate slavery, patriarchy, sexism, and racism. If the 20th century was the movement of civil and political rights for people, then the 21st century must be the movement for animal rights. The reason I argue for animal rights is that meat is not necessary for human health.

Observations of cultures that eat plant base diets have been shown to have lower rates of cancer and heart disease. The reason for the lower rates of disease is phytochemicals which help plants protect themselves from pest also help humans as well. Research has shown that phytochemicals help prevent and treat conditions from cancer and heart disease to diabetes and high blood pressure. Phytochemicals are thought to be responsible for much of the disease protection granted by diets high in fruits, vegetables, beans, cereals, and plant-based beverages such as tea and wine, according to a University of California, Davis report. With the health benefit of a vegetable diet there is no merit in sustaining animal consumption. Animals are not properties but individuals with a life that should belong to themselves and live as they please.

When humans often thank of animals they often think of the difference that make us up but the truth is that animal are more like us than they are different. Animals are all made of flesh, blood and bone, just like we are; they have the same five physiological senses of touch, smell, sight, hearing and taste. For instance, “Domestic chickens display signs of empathy, the ability to ''feel another's pain'' that is at the heart of compassion, a study has found. When chicks were exposed to puffs of air, they showed signs of distress that were mirrored by their mothers. The hens' heart rate increased, their eye temperature lowered - a recognised stress sign - and they became increasingly alert. Levels of preening were reduced, and the hens made more clucking noises directed at their chicks.

So please, when you think about eating meat, please think about robbing an animal’s life and devouring the body of a soul. Lives are on the line here. As lord Buddha once said, “May all that have life be delivered from suffering.” So let us create a society that creates life instead of taking life.

reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN


Disagree.

Flesh and soul are two completely different materials. You can devour flesh, but killing said animal simply bounces its soul into another reincarnation cycle. You cannot devour a soul.

Everything on this material plane is just a vessel for souls; none of them are attached to the souls in anyway nor are the souls to them.

Why don't you explain this to animals who eat other animals.


It's life, survival of the fittest. If you went near a lion and it was hungry it wouldn't think twice about eating you.

I get your message but for me there is no way I could be vegan.

I disagree, there is no "universal" (as you say) way to evolve. We each have our own unique needs. Vegetarianism is fine by me, if that's what makes you feel cozy inside. But it has nothing to do with enlightenment or full-body ressurrection.

"When you responsibly procure your family's dinner by hand, each meal becomes a sacred rite, and the reality of life and death is undeniable." -Ted Nugent

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Yep, agreed.
I do believe veggies are better as you can get most of what you need and I do love my veggies.
But I also must have some dead animal with every meal.
I have always joked "Never trust a vegetarian".
A meal is not a meal without meat.
Just my view is all.

reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN


Well Animals normally consume other animals we are omnivores because we consume both.

Think about all the insects bugs you kill unknowingly by stepping on them. The world is a Cruel Place and so is life.

Learn to embrace it!

Midnight sun you can't really argue morality about it at all when you've killed insects and small bugs all the time unknowingly by stepping on them.!

Its essentially the same thing; that is, if you believe all living things have souls.

So because plants cant speak in a language u can understand.. its ok to murder them and their children? Fruits are supposed to be eaten by animals whos digestive tracks allow thier seeds to survive and grow.

Someday i hope to geneticly engineer plants that beg for their lives so all the vegitarians will starve to death.

While I don't agree with everything you said I'm a vegetarian because I don't want to knowingly hurt other creatures.

However, it has been a point of much conflict within myself. On the one hand, everyday you exist you're killing other little critters. You walk out the door you're probably killing 100's of ants, bugs, etc. I've swallowed a few myself! Ick.

Also some people would say that plants have a consciousness and are alive, they have a vibrational energy as well, who's to say they aren't upset about us eating them? Who are we to assume it's OK to eat plants but not animals? *shrug* Where does one draw the line?

I think everyone has to do the best they can. We have been consuming everything around us in order to survive since the beginning of time. Is there a 'higher' way? Perhaps, but each must find that on their own.

My husband is a total ominvore, if I ever suggested he gave up meat he would think I was crazy. So I don't push the issue, we just have very different eating habits.

I personally feel much better having a vegetarian lifestyle, I do get mad cravings though at times. However my blood type a vegetarian diet is supposed to be best. For my husband however, he requires much more protein for his blood type.

Who knows, I say everyone do the best they can? If you eat meat then buying organic is the way to go, from animals who are at least treated nicely before being slaughtered. I would guess the animals understand that we're just part of the food chain, seeing as they witness every other animal around them being consumed and consuming as well.

I find it's expensive to buy all organic, however if I cut out meat I can afford it haha.

Cool post, I don't agree with everything, but understand your intent.

ETA I also think if you wouldn't go out there and kill that animal you're eating yourself, then don't eat it.
I went fishing once and couldn't bring myself to kill the fish. I felt so bad. But that's just me. Other people will have no problem with it, and I would never think less of them for doing so. I do not consider myself to be following a higher path, it's just a different one.

Now where is my Vitamin B12...

Plants probably don't like to be eaten either. They just don't have faces and don't behave in a way that you can relate to, so you make no distinction between them and the non-living. If a cow has a soul, so does an apple tree.

On the other hand, a dead cow or dead apple tree have as much spiritual presence as a rock or the wind. Everything dies, what happens to the inanimate material left behind afterwards is not a spiritual issue. If you don't eat it, something will.

reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN

As a spiritual being who has achieved enlightenment and as a vegan on his path to wisdom

Please define enlightenment and then give us some evidence of your being enlightened per say?

While veganism can be helpful as a temporary method of health and can help clear the mind however it alone is not some key to wisdom and the lack of protein over time can cause memory loss. Animals are not self aware or sentient like humans thier soul is a group soul and they live and die by what we call instinct. they do not have the emotions we do.

Eating animals is not some grave sin as some suggest. We all survive in the physical by pranic energy and we get that from the several kingdoms, mineral, vegetable, and animal, also from the sun it is part of the order of things. Some day that may change but at our current stage of evolution eating animals is still viable. Also domestic animals who are around humans are being prepared to enter the human kingdom at some future wrung but it is still inaccurate to project human sentience into them which is done by most emotionally.

You free the soul when you kill the animal, and give life to its flesh when you consume it. How can you say we consume their souls...?

And speaking of Buddhism, the current Dalai Lama tried vegetarianism but got jaundice from doing that, so continued to eat meat.


Abstaining from meat is not for everyone. It's better to eat food in balance and fast on occasion instead to help clear one's mind.

For the most part the meat we eat is tortured animal meat, not "happy meat".

I never used to think this way and held vegans in disdain to be honest and was quick to point an accusatory finger at them and say things like "you can't get an adequate amount of protein" etc. etc. They made me angry for some reason..

I've now been experimenting for over a year going on and off meat with the use of my superfood supersmoothies, and I've concluded that the crux of the OP is accurate.

And the nature of the meat itself makes a big difference ie: when I've tried certain chicken wings, some of which were broken or mishapen obviously as a result of the raising of the chickens and the way they were killed and processed - I would be thrown into an instant depression and ill feeling.

There's most definitely something to this I can say with assurance having put it to the test.

My spirit soars when on the superfoods and greens, but quickly shrivels and is darkened by the consumption of meat, and my physical self experiences a radical difference when partaking of the two diets.

The meat of the animals we eat is, for the most part, tortured animal meat.

And to the person who suggested that the spirit and the flesh are separate I think that's in error, when in truth, there is only spirit and truth in reality, with the spiritualization of the physical universe an imperative.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The food chain is probably the most natural of systems of the planet. Animals eating other animals is the norm. Just because we think we are "special" doesn't mean we are any different than any other living creature.

We are animals, we eat other animals. Plain and simple.

I'm not against veganism or vegetarianism, my son is a vegan, loves it. Myself? I like meat far too much. It's not a moral issue for me. I do have issues with how our food is produced and how our livestock is treated before being processed; but that's another story.

I buy organic, locally farmed, locally grown produce and meats which encourage our local economy and I know that these animals are well treated.

On a side note, I don't think that sex and enlightment are in the same category, an enlightened person would not need any form of sexual gratification in order to feel content or enlightened.

~Keeper

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Eating meat is what I called soul food. I prefer being a vegan because I rather evolve into a being that have no need to consume another living creature.

So do you kill your own animal? what keeps you from taking their life with your own hand.

reply to post by hawkiye

Animals are not self aware or sentient like humans thier soul is a group soul and they live and die by what we call instinct. they do not have the emotions we do.

I think we can talk semantics on this but i think many animals do have emotions actually maybe not just the chimps dolphins and domesticated ones.


And i believe yes many animals do have self-awareness perhaps just not the intelligence to dwell on such complicated thoughts; because their minds are on survival.

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
Why don't you explain this to animals who eat other animals.


It's life, survival of the fittest. If you went near a lion and it was hungry it wouldn't think twice about eating you.

I get your message but for me there is no way I could be vegan.

You say that life is survival of the fittest, yet, humans do not act according to that nature. If humans did behave that way, no disabled people would be living with us. Animal and human consciousness are on different levels. Its just that humans has been given the consciousness to be responsible for the life on earth.

I wonder too the degree to which the meat advocates have looked into what the plant kingdom has to offer the human being...

If you do the research, you will be astounded. It's as if much of the plant kingdom was designed FOR the optimal functioning of the human being, at every single level and right across the entire mind/body spectrum.

Some wild samon and the occasional organic "happy meat" is ok I think and part of a balanced diet, but the meat you get at the store is for the most part bad, turtured and yes, spiritually contaminated meat since it was produced through the torture of living, thinking and feeling beings, of this I am now certain.

When an animal is left to suffer the meat can become tainted with that pain and thus transfer through the meat if eaten. This is why you should always Pray over your food and Bless and Honor your food, to energize it with a loving force.

Our problem is in our methodology of the Livestock we raise and consume. Their living conditions and the stress they endure embeds itself into the meat; this is where we fail.

Cattle should be allowed to grass feed. They are happiest and they make for Happy Meat!

Chickens should be allowed to free-range. They are happiest and they make for Happy Meat!

Humans should be allowed to live freely. As it is now, they are only happiest when they Die!

Let's start taking care of what we eat by Loving our Meat and Consuming it in a Loving manner! I Love Meat!

I was vegan for a period of time, believing what I was doing was good, until it ruined my health. I'd rather not get into this too much, as arguing over this is pointless. However, the fact is, some people need to consume animal flesh to maintain both physical and mental health. For those who can do good on a vegan diet, that's great for those individuals and they should be considered lucky. When we're going to talk strictly about health, veganism is a horrible choice for most people. If you feel good about your choices, though, then that's great.

Everything is life. When you eat anything, you are eating something which is either still living or has once lived. I believe all living beings should be considered equal. I could just as easily call a vegan individual as being a plant murderer. But you wouldn't look at it like that, would you?

The nature of the universe is that of life feeding off of other life. Without this, I can say we would not be here today. I don't believe that "enlightenment" equals restriction. Rather, the opposite.

About higher consciousness, I can tell you that without animal flesh and fats, you most likely are missing key nutrients which our brain absolutely needs to function properly. The only "higher consciousness" a true vegan may experience is probably induced by a lack of vital nutrients and various effects this has on the body and mind.

Any evidence which is typically shown by vegan dieters that point to the negative effects of eating animal flesh can easily be disregarded today. The most important factor will always be quality.

Animals too can be treated with respect and love, even if they will be consumed at one point. In fact, all of the negative effects of eating animal flesh which are documented and presented can be attributed to the state of health of the animal which is being consumed.

The effects on the human body of eating the flesh of an imprisoned animal being tortured and fed grains all of its life compared to an animal which roams freely or is wild, living off of grass, is like night and day. There are a number of sources for grass-fed and wild meats in the world. Organic doesn't mean anything in comparison to Grass-fed. An animal being grass-fed almost guarantees that they are also handled and raised much more properly than any other disgusting factory farm out there. These types of farmers are people who have respect and understanding for animals and nature.

Could you say that various Native American tribes which lived largely on a hunter-gatherer diet, including a fair amount of flesh, were any less spiritually evolved or enlightened than you? I don't think so. We still have a long way to go and veganism has nothing to do with it.

i kinda agree, but your initial post will turn off meat eaters. i usually go with the "its healthier for you route"....Especially in my family, we have a bunch of weak stomachs that can't digest meat....I mean I have some personal reasons aside from that. Its just that "Meat Pride" has swept over America. People feel they are good, true Americans when they eat a piece of deep fried beef covered in bacon and injected with cheese sauce...extra breading no veggies. Lol.
Atkins had a heart attack on the street and died.

Edit: to be totally corny, I think our evolution will be something like the Vulcans on Star Trek, eventually we will stop consuming meat when we are that enlightened.