A Message to the Military and Law Enforcement

Originally posted by anon72
For you anti-military/police people. Think of this.

Have a combat seasons soldier come to your home with one of the "combatants" he has captured.

You invite them both into your house for say..... 1 hour-each with a knife (with you present in the room). To do whatever they do. (do the same thing for a cop and the worst criminal he apprehends)

Honestly answer this. At the end of that hour. Who would you want remaining in that room? Now, who is going to throw the other one out and either save you or let you deal with the other? Choose wisely my friends.

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OR

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What about the third option???
You know the one where neither one of them make it out alive?
They are both POS in my opinion.

reply to post by Screwed


Blah, blah, blah.

One of these days you're going to understand the nature of the enemy we face.

I'm not going to waste my breath on your "American soldiers are evil" BS anymore.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Screwed

 

Blah, blah, blah.

One of these days you're going to understand the nature of the enemy we face.

I'm not going to waste my breath on your "American soldiers are evil" BS anymore.

Talk about people who assume.
You are assuming I don't already know the nature of the enemy we face and that I haven't already been in your shoes.
You assume alot.
Is it possible that you may not know as much as you think you do?
Is it possible that others on here may see things that you are not able or willing to??

The answer is NO!!!
You are right and everyone else is wrong!!
It's ok though.
I thought that way too when I was a kid.
One day you'll grow up and see things for the way they actually ARE and not how you are TOLD they are.

Good luck with that.

Come on Screwed. No need to be condesending and rude.

We got it... you hate the US Military and Law Enforcement.

Now, without the hate and berating... let's move forward.

And, I do agree with you on something but I want to see others chime in first, in case I am wrong (then you would be wrong).

You have passion and I can appreciate that. To be more effective-- control.

Originally posted by anon72
Come on Screwed. No need to be condesending and rude.

Why didnt you say the same thing to projectvxn? In fact, I think hes the one that started the namecalling in this thread.

Originally posted by projectvxn

You all think you're high and mighty and that you hold all the answers and understand everything about the world, the people, and how it all fits together. YOU DON'T.

You're not the end all be all. You're just another internet loudmouth who thinks your moral indignation will somehow absolve you of your inaction.

I guess what you are saying, Mr Kettle, is that I am black?

Can we all calm down a bit. If everyone shouts then nothing gets done. I respect everyone enough to listen to their opinion, but name calling is never useful.

Soldiers are human beings. They are no different from anyone else. They are not a uniform monolithic group. Most are normal people trying to do the best they can.

The point of the video, and of this thread was not to attack military/police. It is merely to encourage them to think about whether the leaders are pursuing the interests of average people like them, or the interests of an elite few.

I believe soldiers/police are on the whole decent people. I want them to realize that often times those putting them on the other side of the world, or against peaceful protesters are not the people they swore to defend.

It is not my place to tell someone what to do, or what is the right path to follow. Each person has their own life to live as they see fit. I just wanted those who serve to think long and hard about who they serve, One day soon they may be told to do something very difficult. They may be ordered to turn on fellow citizens, and if that day happens what will you do?

I believe sound minds among the NCOs, lower level officers, and regular troops will stand together against orders to fight fellow Americans. We are you, and you are us.'

Blaming soldiers for the policies of the political elite we allow to rule is a shame. We have a duty to ensure our political leadership represents our interests. If they refuse to we should rise up in peaceful revolution. Our refusal to do so when we know what is going on makes us culpable. Soldiers have no choice where they are sent. It is our job to ensure the leaders will not send the soldiers to support injustice.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


Did I? Because I seem to remember being called a mindless drone first.

But that's cool.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


Equivalency? Don't think so.

I'm doing what I believe is right for my country. I can't vote because I'm not a US citizen yet. And I certainly can't run for public office yet.

What are YOU doing besides chiding me for my personal choices and presenting your high and mighty attitude as if you know better than anyone what I should be doing?

reply to post by Screwed


I think for myself just fine.

I am doing what I believe is right.

I'm not a video game playing kid that thinks COD is what war is. I don't even own an x-box. I made my decision fully conscience of what I'm doing. Nothing you say can or will change that.

You people are full of a lot of assumption about someone you don't even know. I have a long posting history here, I suggest you get to know it before spouting off how much you think I do and don't know.

Jesus Lord these people are so smug...

So much anger with the military and law enforcement. Leaves me kind of speechless but what do I expect from this site. I do expect a well thought out debate on pro's and con's or reasoning why someone likes or dislikes. You have to see both sides of the coin other wise you just stay ignorant. But what I have seen is any time someone is pro-military a number of individuals will start taking civility out of the thread by belittling or name calling.

I think there is a very large dissociation between civilians and military. I know I myself have served now for the past 13 1/2 years in the airforce as a mechanic. I originally joined to serve my country just as my father did and my grandfathers as well as uncles, aunts, and cousins. Was I a bit gunho at the age of 18 freash out of high school? You betcha. But I thought I was smart enough to join a branch of the military that doesn't send it's enlisted off to die. Most kids join for an education because their family couldn't afford it. Or they wanted to travel the world, even gain a trade skill to be a productive worker when their service is done.

Do I feel like I fit into the mindless zombie robot catagory, I wish I did most of the time. Being an individual in a communistic dictatorship doesn't really work out. Do as your told and you don't have to worry about prison time or getting booted out prematurely. 99% of the companies will rather higher a person with a criminal record then a military member on a general or dishonorable discharge. So do a lot of members think they are being duped by the gov't. You better believe it. Are they going to do anything about it. Not really because they have kids to feed and a steady job.

But what you don't see on the media is the time spent rebuilding communities or creating stronger ties with host nations. I am not just talking about the countries we went into and blown up key locations. Mind you they do blow the building up right after we built it just so we have to rebuild it again. I am also talking about involvement here in the states. Just please don't think we are all monsters out to get you.

If your really worried about american military members coming after you in the middle of the night don't fear. 3/4's of the people I have talked to either want to become expatriots or will refuse to fight their own countrymen. (as long as they support the consitition and not getting shot at.) The 1/4 is what will cause the most harm for everyone.

Ugh I could go on. If you have any questions and want to talk to a military member to hear about some of the dumb crud we have to deal with on a daily basis drop me a line.

I always get really pisst off when I see more and more that we're at war and have been for god knows how long...we've had our men and women over there dying for corporate interests and all these politicians can think about is "hey vote for me" then sit behind a podium and just smile for the camera and go on monthly vacations and play golf weekly and make more money than any average person and even soldier and they're not the ones doing anything REAL...they're just blabbing mouths who spend our money

Thinking about those that serve this country and all the people that call it home, I have to say most of them do so with respect and professionalism that usually goes with the duty. At least that is how it used to be.

Today I am not so sure. Reading through this thread seems to have put my thoughts in a spin...we all know there are bad cops, bad soldiers, bad people period, and this is accepted. In todays society though it seems that the bad has become the norm for those in service to the people, and the good that are left just go along with the the crowd.

The problem is that it should not be accepted...there is a higher standard that must be maintained by those who serve the people and a higher expectation of these professionals...it is gone.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

Equivalency? Don't think so.

I'm doing what I believe is right for my country. I can't vote because I'm not a US citizen yet. And I certainly can't run for public office yet.

What are YOU doing besides chiding me for my personal choices and presenting your high and mighty attitude as if you know better than anyone what I should be doing?

You havent even made basic yet and you are already acting with the "superiority complex" that seems to affect police and soldiers and make them think they are better citizens because they picked up a gun to "defend" America. In America, everyone is supposed to be equal and free. In fact, in America, we arent even supposed to have a standing army for Jeebus' sake. So when you are over in another land somewhere (and not within the confines of American borders) helping kill people in their own land to "defend" America, maybe you better take a spare copy of the Constitution and really read it and understand it if you are going to take an oath to defend it.

Not that its any of your business, but I sometimes volunteer at my local homeless shelter. I like to think Im making my country (and the world) a better place, but if you think picking up a gun and fixing up war machines is what makes the world a better place, power to you. But I dont think Im "better" than you (an attitude I cant say you seem to share), nor do I think Im a better citizen for what I do, so maybe you shouldnt judge people either.

One last thing...if you are going to "defend" us, you are also defending my right to say what I want. So why would you insult me for having my opinion? Thats what America is about. Wouldnt that just make a mockery of your own service? Just something to think about, sometimes I think people just dont think their ideas through.

Originally posted by projectvxn
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You people are full of a lot of assumption about someone you don't even know.

Jesus Lord these people are so smug...

Again, you could have been looking in a mirror when you wrote this, but the thing is, you dot even realize your own behavior.

Originally posted by stephinrazin
Blaming soldiers for the policies of the political elite we allow to rule is a shame. We have a duty to ensure our political leadership represents our interests. If they refuse to we should rise up in peaceful revolution. Our refusal to do so when we know what is going on makes us culpable. Soldiers have no choice where they are sent. It is our job to ensure the leaders will not send the soldiers to support injustice.

Wow, that is so dead on! But, just so I get this clear, who exactly does the government send in to break up peaceful rallies? Oh right, right the police, and sometimes the National Guard. But they arent the bad guys, they are just following orders! So we should stop the criminals from giving bad orders.....if only the cops and soldiers would let us near them.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


You can have your opinion all you want. Don't expect me to take kindly to being called a mindless drone, and don't expect me to simply absorb and coddle your smug attitude toward me.

I've been working toward a military career in the US Army for a long time. I'm not some kid fresh out of high school, and I don't need lectures from people like you.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

You can have your opinion all you want. Don't expect me to take kindly to being called a mindless drone, and don't expect me to simply absorb and coddle your smug attitude toward me.

I've been working toward a military career in the US Army for a long time. I'm not some kid fresh out of high school, and I don't need lectures from people like you.

Youve got a serious chip on your shoulder. Its alright brother, no one here gets out alive....stay frosty, youll live longer.

BTW, nice to see you dont really have any answers except to scream "stop lecturing me!". Sure sounds like you arent a kid alright.

reply to post by projectvxn

now your sig has me intrested!. dont worry most sheeple i mean people think very highly of military folk

you got served owned, smoked, and crushed by poster on page one you hero you!

reply to post by aching_knuckles


I have a chip on my shoulder?

Let's see the way you've addressed me in this entire thread from post one shall we?

Wow, doubletalk must be the first thing they teach you when you enlist.

And also, isnt this response just proving the previous poster right? Its pretty much the defintion of mindless zombie.

Yeah...

I've got a chip on my shoulder alright. It's the fact that you can't address me in any respectful way, and anything I reply with you get defensive about and start name calling.

Cute.