A Message to the Military and Law Enforcement

I found this very powerful video. I thought it was very thought provoking, and I decided to post it here.

I have respect for anyone who puts their life in danger for others. I have many friends and family who have sacrificed for their nation. The strength of character to willingly put your life in danger for your fellow citizens is a tremendous act. Whatever your politics maybe you cannot hate those who sacrifice with pure intent for others.

The hardest part of serving is knowing who you truly are serving. Do the leaders of this country have the same character of the troops fighting? Do they have the interests of the family of the average soldier in mind?

What happens when you realize that you are fighting for someone who does not fight for you?

WARNING VERY GRAPHIC FROM 3:30 ON. ESPECIALLY 4:20-4:30
I know it is hard to watch, but it is important. We all should know the sacrifices our soldiers make for us. It is for us. No matter if they are fighting in theaters they had no choice in their hearts they are fighting for you and me.

I am forced to respectfully disagree here. I agree that those who are willing to lay their lives on the line to do what is right should be celebrated as heroes. However, that is not the case with our troops. While I certainly wish no harm upon anyone, they are not doing what is right, they are doing as they are ordered by psychopaths. They blindly do what they are told, and because of their blind obedience to monsters, our nation is terrorizing people all over the world and at home. Without these mindless zombie troops to do their bidding, the elites would not have a leg to stand on. Since I cannot imagine Bush and Obama on the ground fighting in Iraq, that makes the common soldier as much responsible for this terrible world as the elites. So no, I do not respect the troops, and I submit that anybody who does respect them is simply failing to extinguish the most deeply ingrained propaganda of all, that it is noble to die for your country no matter the cause.

reply to post by HenryPatrick


Did you watch the video? The point of the video is to ask service men and women to think about who they are truly serving. I prefaced it the way I did to be respectful.

You make it seem as if soldiers join to do the bidding of the elites. They join because they believe they are fighting for their countrymen. Sadly, the rulers use the soldiers to do great harm. That does not mean the soldiers are not men of character whose intent is to serve others.

I respect soldiers because of the character it takes to put someone else first. The fact that the rulers take advantage of soldier's character does not mean you should hate the soldiers.

I believe that the docile, and inactive citizenry are more to blame than the soldier.

We who sit comfortably behind a computer complaining are culpable. We see injustice, but do very little. We may rant, but how many of us are in the political sphere. How many are out protesting? Are we forming political parties? Are we running for office?

Are putting others before ourselves?

If not we can hardly be critical of others who have the intention to do exactly that.

reply to post by HenryPatrick


I have found that the Conspiracy theory view of how the power structure of the world works is woefully under developed and in most cases simply wrong.

I am an avid study of world affairs and how things are dealt with and handled. I am also a recent enlistee of the United States Army. Our Soldier's Creed specifically states that we serve the PEOPLE of the United States. My oath specifically states that I am charged with protecting the Constitution and this Nation.

Do I have to follow my orders? YES. Do I have to follow illegal orders as defined under the UCMJ and applicable Federal Law? NO. You have NO IDEA the type of person it takes to serve in the United States military.

reply to post by stephinrazin


You, my friend, get it.

I think it's easier for these people to find anything and everything to blame rather than take responsibility for the conditions of their country.

reply to post by projectvxn


What your soldier's creed states is radically different from what actually transpires. When you lay it all down to try and overthrow the Fed, let me know because you will have my utmost respect. But as long as you are just out there killing people you don't know just because someone else told you to, I will voice the opinion given to me by those who were actually fighting for freedom and call every soldier who thinks they are doing good a mindless zombie.

Yeah, I have my own message for Military and Law enforcement as well.
I'd like to add it to yours.

Military - Stop joining up to fight wars for Old, Rich, White men who don't give a damn about you or your country much less your family. Also, stop invading foreign countries and oppressing and KILLING innocent civilians!

Law Enforcement - You're on borrowed time my friends. Stop beating innocent civilians. Stop tazing everygoddamnedbody who doesn't respect your authoritahhh!! This includes but not limited to....

1. Little old ladies.
2. People in WHEELCHAIRS!!!
3. KIDS!!!!
4. Mentally impared people.
5. ME!!!!!!

There's your F###ing message!!!!!!

reply to post by HenryPatrick



You see, this is what's wrong with you people. You think the Army should be your personal army out to kill everything YOU don't like.

I suppose that sort of thinking is easier than winning your way through the use of thought and the merits of your ideas. The United States Army is not a political faction. We are a professional military subservient to the civilian leadership. You don't like it? Stop voting for people who don't share your agenda. Don't blame us.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Do I have to follow my orders? YES. Do I have to follow illegal orders as defined under the UCMJ and applicable Federal Law? NO.

Originally posted by projectvxn
We are a professional military subservient to the civilian leadership. You don't like it? Stop voting for people who don't share your agenda. Don't blame us.

Wow, doubletalk must be the first thing they teach you when you enlist.
Im pretty sure Ive heard you talk about how these foreign wars were illegal vxn....so would you disobey the illegal order, or would you "subervient to the civilian leadership", which is exactly what this video is talking about?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by HenryPatrick

 

The United States Army is not a political faction. We are a professional military subservient to the civilian leadership. You don't like it? Stop voting for people who don't share your agenda. Don't blame us.

And also, isnt this response just proving the previous poster right? Its pretty much the defintion of mindless zombie.

"Yeh, Im signing up to go kill people, but hey, its not my fault, someone else told me to do it!"

Before you pull that trigger on another human being you had better think long and hard about the repercussions. I know a few dudes who thought it was cool to kill "dinks" a couple decades ago that really regret their actions now.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by HenryPatrick

 

You see, this is what's wrong with you people. You think the Army should be your personal army out to kill everything YOU don't like.

I suppose that sort of thinking is easier than winning your way through the use of thought and the merits of your ideas. The United States Army is not a political faction. We are a professional military subservient to the civilian leadership. You don't like it? Stop voting for people who don't share your agenda. Don't blame us.

As aching_knuckles pointed out, you pretty much prove my point that you and every other soldier is just a mindless goon serving agendas that you obviously do not and apparently cannot understand. As for your assertion that I believe the Army should be out to kill things for me? I am offended and clearly never suggested anything of the sort, if anything I made it clear that I am against killing. I will forgive you, however, because I find it hilarious that you think voting is going to change anything at all. You probably think the president is the most powerful person in this country, and I feel sorry for you for having been deceived into helping usher in a state of permanent fascism. Hopefully one day you will see the error of your ways before you contribute to too much suffering.

No offense but, it is clear to me by just reading thru this thread, why/HOW the military is able to pull this # off.
What I am still on the fence about is...Do they turn you into a mindless idiot or do you have to already BE a mindless idiot before they take you?

This is almost surreal. I can't believe this is what our military is made up of!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For you anti-military/police people. Think of this.

Have a combat seasons soldier come to your home with one of the "combatants" he has captured.

You invite them both into your house for say..... 1 hour-each with a knife (with you present in the room). To do whatever they do. (do the same thing for a cop and the worst criminal he apprehends)

Honestly answer this. At the end of that hour. Who would you want remaining in that room? Now, who is going to throw the other one out and either save you or let you deal with the other? Choose wisely my friends.

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A lot if you on here don't seem to realize that soldiers are regular people like you and me. I'm honestly stuck on both sides. I kind of understand where you guys are coming from but I also understand the soldiers.

Yes, most soldiers are "Zombies". They don't have the choices to make the decisions that you guys think that they can make. The ones you should be harassing are the officers. They are the ones that have the power to make decisions.

Majority of the military is made up of that need money. They have families to support. You honestly think that they volunteer to go out there for fun?

Majority of soldiers do as they are told b/c the military punishes you by taking money from you. Most enlisted soldiers can't afford to loose any money as they are barely bringing in enough money to support their own.

Now officers are a different story. Some get paid five times more than the average private. They all want to make general and if its a large unit, they don't even get to know who their soldiers are, therefore making it easy to shout out BS orders. Anyway, loss my train of thought thinking about politicians and freaking officers. Look into military structure before beating on these soldiers.

Soldiers and NCOs are the backbone and the workforce but they don't have the power to do much. Officers and politicians ate the ones to blame. Stop bashing the soldiers and no, I don't consider MOST officers to be soldiers!!!

Also, I guarantee that you can go to Iraq and ask random soldiers what they are fighting for and you'll get 5 different answers from five different soldiers. All they know is the BS that they have been fed.

The hardest part of serving is knowing who you truly are serving. Do the leaders of this country have the same character of the troops fighting? Do they have the interests of the family of the average soldier in mind?

To get an honest answer to your question, you may want to ask some Vietnam and Gulf War Veterans.

Do they turn you into a mindless idiot or do you have to already BE a mindless idiot before they take you?

For obvious reasons, desensitization to violence and limited compassion for other humans (enemy - perceived or real) is a major part of their training.

Reply to post by anon72

I'd rather the criminal.

At least if he were to attack me I could blow him away without the charges and circus had I blown away a cop who attacked me.


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reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Hmmm , I guess I should add you don't have any weapons... lol

reply to post by stephinrazin


Well, my husband just re-enlisted.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


You ignorant apes just assume things.

I'm going to be a blackhawk mechanic.

You all think you're high and mighty and that you hold all the answers and understand everything about the world, the people, and how it all fits together. YOU DON'T.

You're not the end all be all. You're just another internet loudmouth who thinks your moral indignation will somehow absolve you of your inaction.

reply to post by projectvxn


So I guess by being a mechanic, you are NOT supporting the effort to invade foreign lands,kill innocent civilians,spread fear and hate throughout the world????

What do you think would happen if there were no mechanics to keep the death machines running???
HELLOOOOO????
Think McFly, THINK!!!

God damned I can't believe what I am hearing.
Is this what the military is made up of these days???
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, are you able to formulate your own thoughts?
Do you listen to yourself when you speak?
You just seriously insinuated that we are ignorant for assuming that you were a part of the problem when
all you are going to be is a mecanic!!

Please please please get off of the X-Box and think about the things that are coming out of your mouth and more importantly, the things that are going on in your head.


As far as I am concerned the only message the Military and LEO needs is.....You're on borrowed time!
Your day is fast approaching.
You are going to get a dose of Karma and you WILL have to be held accountable for your actions.
This is the way the universe that I live in works.