To what extent are chemtrails a hoax?

reply to post by firepilot


so you are happy with the situation are you? not only do you sit wasting your time attacking us but you also are one that has no care of the world around him.Hey maybe it's just you you have to worry about so who cares what happen's you will be gone before the real damage happen's but for those of us with kids don't think like that because it is they who will suffer.
unlike many i have debated this subject with most of them agree that no matter what the cause it should be looked into reduced if possible as pollution is pollution we need to wake up because i for one don't want my kid's after i am gone thinking that "why didn't do something dad".

Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by firepilot

 

so you are happy with the situation are you? not only do you sit wasting your time attacking us but you also are one that has no care of the world around him.Hey maybe it's just you you have to worry about so who cares what happen's you will be gone before the real damage happen's but for those of us with kids don't think like that because it is they who will suffer.
unlike many i have debated this subject with most of them agree that no matter what the cause it should be looked into reduced if possible as pollution is pollution we need to wake up because i for one don't want my kid's after i am gone thinking that "why didn't do something dad".

See, you all are doing it again. When your misconceptions or lack of knowledge are exposed, you all see it as insults and personal. I did not call you any names, but I did tell you what you could do to lessen contrails overhead. Maybe it sounds silly, but its a lot less silly than the chemtrail beliefs. If you all are so alarmed by contrails, then why dont you all start picketing the airports, or demand that aviation be banned

Or would you like jet aircraft forced to fly at lower altitudes where it is not as cold and where the air can hold more water? What would that do for pollution?

reply to post by GringoViejo


so would you walk into a mosque/church and speak in that manner to them?

your response you make more unsubstantiated claims with zero evidence.

And it is perfectly within reason to question the motives of people who believe in nonsense with out even a shred of evidence.
so the millions of people who believe in god or supreme being do so with out any evidence.so hence my question?

reply to post by djcarlosa

"why didn't do something dad".

I'll just direct you over here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I imagine that your child will ask, "why didn't you do anything about what you're so concerned with dad?"

reply to post by GringoViejo


so what's your answer to the question i posted ?

Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

so would you walk into a mosque/church and speak in that manner to them?

your response you make more unsubstantiated claims with zero evidence.

And it is perfectly within reason to question the motives of people who believe in nonsense with out even a shred of evidence.
so the millions of people who believe in god or supreme being do so with out any evidence.so hence my question?

Ahhhh, now making the comparison to a religion in regards to your chemtrail belief.

This is a pseudo religion to you, you react just like others to when religiious beliefs are attacked, maybe thats why you just brought up a religious reference.

But to me, this is not about religion, political correctness, or treating ATS like a mosque. Its about reality, science, logic and facts. What does ATS have to do with mosque or church anyways? And I certainly did not say anything inappropriate, if you think I did, then alert the mods.

And I will ask again. Are you willing to petition to have aviation banned where you live, or to force aircraft to fly lower so that they do not make contrails?

Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

so would you walk into a mosque/church and speak in that manner to them?

your response you make more unsubstantiated claims with zero evidence.

And it is perfectly within reason to question the motives of people who believe in nonsense with out even a shred of evidence.
so the millions of people who believe in god or supreme being do so with out any evidence.so hence my question?

Thank you for admitting there is zero evidence to support "chemtrails" in any way.

I'm not an expert on religion, and I don't really care what people believe. I do care when they start spouting off as if their belief was a fact without any evidence to support it. Which if you want to argue whether or not their is any factual basis for religion, you would find that there is certainly more than there is for "chemtrails." Also, if you really want to discuss religion, you are in the wrong forum.

reply to post by firepilot


No read my post properly i was questioning the logic he used in his post after all he feel's that because i have no evidence he can question my sanity so i was not comparing religion to chemtrail's i was just pointing out that there are millions who believe without any evidence so would he talk to them in the same manner he talks to me.

Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by firepilot

 

No read my post properly i was questioning the logic he used in his post after all he feel's that because i have no evidence he can question my sanity so i was not comparing religion to chemtrail's i was just pointing out that there are millions who believe without any evidence so would he talk to them in the same manner he talks to me.

I personally would. All the religious folk who follow beliefs based on faith are no different from the 'chemtrailers' who take 'chemtrails' on faith.

reply to post by GringoViejo


i was questioning your logic as for prof [ie going up in a plane and filming and getting samples from the source]
no i don't have prof but i have posted many thing's that support that it is possible that the mod have the right to carry out any kind of experiments [including spraying from planes]should they feel it beneficial to national security and you wouldn't be informed.
So although i don't have the only prof that will lay this subject to rest i post thing's that support the possibility.
I am an open minded person and should someone get the sample from the plane trail's and it shows that there are no unusual reading's i will be the first to say ok i was wrong so perhaps someone your side of the fence [after all you have a pilot, aircraft engineer, scientist , RAF analysis] surely between you you can get the samples that would lay this question to rest.

reply to post by adeclerk


I admire your honesty and therefore star your post it's not often one find's a person who can stand behind his conviction's and uses the same mindset for all issues

Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

i was questioning your logic as for prof [ie going up in a plane and filming and getting samples from the source]
no i don't have prof but i have posted many thing's that support that it is possible that the mod have the right to carry out any kind of experiments [including spraying from planes]should they feel it beneficial to national security and you wouldn't be informed.
So although i don't have the only prof that will lay this subject to rest i post thing's that support the possibility.
I am an open minded person and should someone get the sample from the plane trail's and it shows that there are no unusual reading's i will be the first to say ok i was wrong so perhaps someone your side of the fence [after all you have a pilot, aircraft engineer, scientist , RAF analysis] surely between you you can get the samples that would lay this question to rest.

You have been given all of the evidence that supports that chemtrails are merely contrails.

What would one more test prove to you?
(Besides, there's air tests every day, the EPA conducts them, and they've never found anything abnormal from "chemtrails". But of course you ignore that.)

Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

i was questioning your logic as for prof [ie going up in a plane and filming and getting samples from the source]
no i don't have prof but i have posted many thing's that support that it is possible that the mod have the right to carry out any kind of experiments [including spraying from planes]should they feel it beneficial to national security and you wouldn't be informed.
So although i don't have the only prof that will lay this subject to rest i post thing's that support the possibility.
I am an open minded person and should someone get the sample from the plane trail's and it shows that there are no unusual reading's i will be the first to say ok i was wrong so perhaps someone your side of the fence [after all you have a pilot, aircraft engineer, scientist , RAF analysis] surely between you you can get the samples that would lay this question to rest.

My logic is sound.

Yours will never be if you continue to ask us to prove a negative.

Use the search button, you might learn something, unless you don't want to.

reply to post by adeclerk


don't make me laugh EPA is that not a government agency who although may look like separate entity they still answer to the government and should the government be doing test's on us you really think that the EPA would report it.

reply to post by djcarlosa




You can't be serious, can you?

What about the thousands of independent researchers and interests?

Are the people who aren't working for the government actually working for the government?

reply to post by GringoViejo


So what you are saying is that the connections known by the many member's your side of the fence not one of you is willing to go get the samples that would shut us up permanently [should there not be any unusual reading's]and film doing it.
I have looked into it and renting a plane is easy but expensive then of course you have the problem with flight plan after all you can't go fly where you like and of course the plane has to be able to climb to 27'000-40'000 feet then of course you've then got to look at how to collect the sample how you can keep it in its frozen state.
so that's why no one on our side has been able to do it yet but maybe these problem's for us wouldn't be for your side.

reply to post by djcarlosa


The problem is, debunkers are providing mounds of other evidence and it isn't convincing 'chemtrailers' (they literally cling to this belief), so why waste the money to get the tests? They will ignore the tests even more than the other evidence, and scream 'chemtrails' even louder from the rooftops.

Or disinfo, or shill, or paid government agent, etc.

reply to post by adeclerk


you can look through every post i have ever made and you will not see the words disinfo, or shill, or paid government agent in any of them i would not use them to insult someone just because they don't agree with me.
and no it wouldn't be a waste because as i put in my earlier posts should you get that prof i would admit that i was wrong after all i believe that one can only grow if you can admit when you are wrong therefore i'm always aware that i could be wrong which is why i don't use the word chemtrail's in my post's when describing these trail's i see in the sky.

reply to post by adeclerk


Exactly - if I had tests done what chemmies would believe me??

The only way for such tests to convince any dyed-in-the-wool chemmie is if they do them themselves - or some other chemmie does them who they already believe.

Even then if they use an "establishment" company to take samples & labs to test them there'll be some who think that TPTB have "gotten" to the tests or the samples, etc.

However it appears that there is a way for chemmies to do this - finally someone is getting their act together...although in what he rest of the world would probably consider true US "style" it's by suing a local Govt -

Chemtrail Alert: Joe Marmon Suing Shasta County Air Quality Mgt District – You Can Join!n

This should be fun.....although I foresee it being quietly dropped at some stage by the plaintiffs amongst cries of TPTB "getting" to people, etc........anything rather than admit hey don't have a case.

But time will tell!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Oh, JeZeus!!

The letter in that link, being promoted on that website, is by Michael J. Murphy!!!

That crank behind the stupid film, WITWATS. (Well....either he's as nutty as squirrel poop, or clever like a fox, and just reaping profits from this hysterical craze...this fad of "chem"-trails, hard to tell. He may be a sane con artist, or incredibly whacko...).

And, he lives in LA!?! What a shame.....well, if I ever bump into him, I don't think it well go well for either of us....