5-21-2011 Rapture... Get the facts strait...

Originally posted by jimnuggits
But, to what end? What do YOU gain from mocking another's beliefs?

Does it make you feel better about your own?

It is abundantly obvious that NO ONE has the real answer to what lies beyond, so everyone is entitled to their views, however ridiculous I may see them.

Compassion means that you have an understanding that every one of us is doing the best we can do knowing what we currently know. Easy to deconstruct and mock, harder to accept that they have the right to worship and believe however they see fit.

Must've hit a nerve.

You still mock the mockers beliefs.

Belief is personal until it is set before the perceptions of others. Either way... the truth is limited within the perceptions of each individual. Each becomes the other's mocker, just as you have.
To believe is freedom as is to mock and that is a truth.

I'm still here. Should I be concerned????????

reply to post by clangers23


I agree that we mustn't take ourselves and our nebulous beliefs too seriously, as major death and suffering is an all too predictable outcome.

My point is that those who consistently abuse and mock Christians are really just giving them what they want.

In order to silence all irrational thought processes we must prove the viability of logical ones. Become a beacon of humanity and compassion, using your commanding logic and science as your 'faith'. Convert, by example not by resorting to the EXACT same flawed and detrimental strategies.

Love, above all else.

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible is not corrupted.

Neither is the koran.

They are both the way they were meant to be.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

Originally posted by clangers23

Originally posted by jimnuggits
But, to what end? What do YOU gain from mocking another's beliefs?

Does it make you feel better about your own?

It is abundantly obvious that NO ONE has the real answer to what lies beyond, so everyone is entitled to their views, however ridiculous I may see them.

Compassion means that you have an understanding that every one of us is doing the best we can do knowing what we currently know. Easy to deconstruct and mock, harder to accept that they have the right to worship and believe however they see fit.

Must've hit a nerve.

I'd go to war to defend your right to your own belief system and right to worship, that doesn't mean I have to take your specific belief seriously.

I'd suggest it's a normal human reaction to a position or belief that we perceive as being ridiculous in nature. A shared belief not worthy of consideration etc.... I'd also suggest that debate of any kind involves a re-enforcement of one's own belief system hence the reason why we often passionately debate a subject matter.

An emotional reaction to a debate is not abnormal. If I was to enter into a debate discussing homosexuality or abortion with devout Christians (as i have) the reaction I would often get is anger, disbelief and mockery.

Surely as long as it's not too aggressive or personal a little mockery or self-depracating humour is hardly a bad thing? Perhaps to show that we don't always take ourselves so very, very seriously?

edit on 21-5-2011 by clangers23 because: (no reason given)

And a star for you as well. It's when the attacks become personal that it really becomes an issue. IMO.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

Wrong on both accounts.

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

Wrong on both accounts.

Really? How?

I just love when people who just come on here and make statements with no proof.

Very believable!

Originally posted by jimnuggits
reply to post by clangers23

 

I agree that we mustn't take ourselves and our nebulous beliefs too seriously, as major death and suffering is an all too predictable outcome.

My point is that those who consistently abuse and mock Christians are really just giving them what they want.

In order to silence all irrational thought processes we must prove the viability of logical ones. Become a beacon of humanity and compassion, using your commanding logic and science as your 'faith'. Convert, by example not by resorting to the EXACT same flawed and detrimental strategies.

Love, above all else.

That's a very fair comment.

Anyone stop to think that being vaporized in an atomic cloud is pretty much the same effect as being "taken up into the clouds"??

It's now the 22nd in New Zealand. No raptuer has occurred. There are going to be a lot of embarrassed Camping followers...

Camping made around $100 mil with this bullshat

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

Wrong on both accounts.

Really? How?

I just love when people who just come on here and make statements with no proof.

Very believable!

Kind of like you just did above?

Anyway, IMO, you have to be someone who is easily brainwashed to believe in any of these things. Centering a debate over which fairy tale is your favorite borderlines on insanity.

BTW, OP, *straight*

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible is not corrupted.

Neither is the koran.

They are both the way they were meant to be.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

I'd suggest the core issue with both the Bible and Koran is their interpretation. The Old Testament is really rather full of parables showing a God full of wrath and vengeance. Difficult to disagree with the teaching of Jesus (on the assumption those were his actual words). It doesn't mean that I and many others believe that Jesus was anything other than an important historical individual with advanced views on society rather than the son of God.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Really? How?

I just love when people who just come on here and make statements with no proof.

Very believable!

I don't want to derail the thread. This happens always when guys like you jump in and post crap like that.
The thread is about the todays "rapture" which is based on the Bible (according to Camping) and not on Qur'an. So discuss Camping and the Bible, not the Qur'an.

Doesn't the bible say only 144 000 will be saved
my guess is that around the world,maybe even in the us
people disapear every day and we never know about it.

Would 144 000 even make a dent in the world wide population,
out of 6 billion+ thats like not even 1 per town.
I am sure there is more than 144 000 towns in the world

TextThere are 2.469,501 cities in the world, and there are 3158 cities with populations of over 100,000. ChaCha on!

www.chacha.com...

Originally posted by Dance4Life

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

Wrong on both accounts.

Really? How?

I just love when people who just come on here and make statements with no proof.

Very believable!

Kind of like you just did above?

Anyway, IMO, you have to be someone who is easily brainwashed to believe in any of these things. Centering a debate over which fairy tale is your favorite borderlines on insanity.

BTW, OP, *straight*

The Bible:

Matthew 5:44-45
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.

Matthew 18:21-35
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times."

Matthew 26:28
This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Luke 6:35-38;42
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.



The Quran:

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Quran, Sura 9:5

"Their punishment is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." Sura 5:33
"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms!” Sura 8:59

"If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins. Sura 5:49

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Really? How?

I just love when people who just come on here and make statements with no proof.

Very believable!

I don't want to derail the thread. This happens always when guys like you jump in and post crap like that.
The thread is about the todays "rapture" which is based on the Bible (according to Camping) and not on Qur'an. So discuss Camping and the Bible, not the Qur'an.

YOU are the one who brought up the "corrupt book" referring to the Bible, not me.

Originally posted by clangers23

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible is not corrupted.

Neither is the koran.

They are both the way they were meant to be.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

I'd suggest the core issue with both the Bible and Koran is their interpretation. The Old Testament is really rather full of parables showing a God full of wrath and vengeance. Difficult to disagree with the teaching of Jesus (on the assumption those were his actual words). It doesn't mean that I and many others believe that Jesus was anything other than an important historical individual with advanced views on society rather than the son of God.

The harshness of the Old Testament was before the forgiveness of Jesus came into the world.

With Jesus came a new beginning and a new chance for forgiveness for ALL people who come to Him and accept his sacrifice in a personal way.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by Dance4Life

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Every prediction will fail when it is based on a corrupted book.

The Bible teaches forgiveness for all who come to Jesus and accept the sacrific He made for every person on this planet. It teaches love.

The koran teaches that anyone who does not convert to islam is either killed or enslaved. The koran teaches hatred.

Wrong on both accounts.

Really? How?

I just love when people who just come on here and make statements with no proof.

Very believable!

Kind of like you just did above?

Anyway, IMO, you have to be someone who is easily brainwashed to believe in any of these things. Centering a debate over which fairy tale is your favorite borderlines on insanity.

BTW, OP, *straight*

The Bible:

Matthew 5:44-45
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.

Matthew 18:21-35
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times."

Matthew 26:28
This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Luke 6:35-38;42
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.



The Quran:

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Quran, Sura 9:5

"Their punishment is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." Sura 5:33
"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms!” Sura 8:59

"If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins. Sura 5:49

You see this is the problem with both the Bible and the Koran. How about a few comparable quotes from the Bible rather than selectively showing how bad the Koran is?

Leviticus 20:9

If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

20:10

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.

Deuteronomy

22:20-1

If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

Exodus

35:2

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Deuteronomy

7:1-2

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

20:10-17

When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow

The Quran:

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Quran, Sura 9:5

What about going further, not just cut and paste a PART of ONE verse? See, this is ALWAYS what people like you do.
Here is verse 9:6 (right after the one you posted):

"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know." (9:6)

And BTW, the verses speak about a historical battle that took place 1400 years go. Of course you wouldn't want your readers to know that, would you now?

"Their punishment is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." Sura 5:33

WHO'S punishment exactly?
That you also conveniently leave out. Imagine, you REMOVED the beginning of the verse, so that you may conceal what the verse it talking about. This is the beginning of that verse:

"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption"

"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms!” Sura 8:59

Really? How about you CONTINUE and paste verse 60 too? No? Of course not, because this is what it says:

"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing."

And these verses ALSO talk about a historical event which already happened.

"If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins. Sura 5:49

What exactly is the problem with this verse then? God doesn't command Muhammad to attack the unbelievers, but he tells him basically to leave them alon - their matter is between them and God.


You see, the problem with you, and all people like you, is that you rely on some anti-islamic websites and do not even BOTHER to read the Qur'an for yourself.
YOu simply take their claims face value without even checking them. Without checking what the verses are talking about, what they are describing or saying.
You rely on those websites because it SUITS you, it is in accord with that which is in your hearts.
By doing so, you are directly going against the teachings of Jesus too, whom you consider your God.
But that is not a problem, isn't it. As long as it is muslims you go against, then everything is permissible.

What other definition is there for a bigot?