THE! Ultimate! Truth!

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

I agree that we are all one with the universe, but I think happiness is more important than learning and intellect. I think our purpose is unconditional happiness and not unconditional love. Find a way to be happy no matter what's going on.

Normal guy: In the Sudan, soldiers have been ordered to rape children in order to instill fear in the people. Are you happy?

Happy guy: Oh yes, I am happy all the time.

Normal guy: Your son is in prison for selling dope. Are you happy?

Happy guy: Yup! HAPPY HAPPY IS ME!

Normal guy: You have the flu, your wife left you, your house burned down, you lost your job... Are you happy?

Happy guy: I SAID I was happy, dammit? What're you, deaf?
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Don't seek happiness. Just be true to your feelings.

This is totally irrational. who would be happy about having the flu? I mean everyone knows it's not all rainbows and lollipops, but that doesn't mean you should just not try to be happy. Seriously??? All is one whether you like it or not. You obviously don't accept that, because you say if you get mad at you other self, then that's okay. Meanwhile you failed to put yourself in your other self's shoes and see that he or she is the victim of your anger. You think anger is an acceptable emotion because you allow it to be. I rarely get angry because I don't accept it, and I'm happy all the time. Why wouldn't you want to be happy all the time?

reply to post by smithjustinb. Why wouldn't you want to be happy all the time?



For the same reason I wouldn't want to be angry all of the time, or depressed all of the time. To strive to experience only one emotion and ignore the rest is to deny what we are. Humans are not, should not, cannot, be happy all of the time. It's just not healthy.

You have a pocketful of change and you are trying to get a candy bar from a vending machine. Only, no matter what buttons you push you keep getting a pack of gum. People see you carrying all that gum, so you say to them, "The vending machine is broken."

And, you would be right. The vending machine is broken. It's not supposed to give out just gum. It's the same thing with a human machine. If it gives out just happiness, it would be broken.

reply to post by jiggerj


It wouldn't be broken. It just wouldn't be human as you define it today. It would be the new and improved definition. Everyone likes to be happy. I bet lots of people wished they could be happy all the time and they even can see how beneficial and better life would be if that was the case.

reply to post by smithjustinb


Happy though is just a state, happy is an experience.
One has to be the empty space that welcomes all passing experiences.
This empty space has a sense of happiness, joy and contentment, i totally agree.
It is the space that everything moves through, but all states come and go yet the space that you are stays the same always.

Namaste.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Space is infinity.

reply to post by smithjustinb


But can space exist when it is eternally now?
It is always here and now, in our experience (in real time).
That means there is no movement, no chance or room for movement.
Space and time are constructions our minds build to make this 'The Greatest Show on Earth'.
Yet it is projected from Heaven, and can be seen directly as Heaven, when we realize we are seeing from Heaven.
We have to go to the source of our seeing.
Where are you seeing from?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


haha i actually posted another thread just now that answers your question.

it went like this:

My understanding of time and space is that both are 3rd dimensional illusions. The Double Slit Experiment showed how an electron can be in two places at once.

This makes perfect sense to me how it is possible. I say not only can an electron be in two places at once, but people can too. That is, only going to be an acceptable statement if you believe in higher dimensional entities.

Regardless of whether you do or not, I have actually even witnessed how space is an illusion by my own observation, and it really doesn't exist as much as we think it does.

It can be understood and observed by following a line of thought that begins by recognizing that all is one. If you can't grasp that, then don't worry about trying to understand what I'm talking about, or what it means to be in two places at once, because you won't.

Let's just say that if all is one as consciousness, then although I think I am limited to the space that is my body, my higher self that is consciousness is aware of other "spaces" simultaneously. Thus, I am everywhere and everything and differentiation does not exist. Without differentiation, there is no space, because space can be defined as the distance between one object and another. Well there is no difference or defined distance because those objects are one. It is a well-crafted illusion that doesn't gain much popularity because the implications give rise to thoughts that exist outside of most people's comfort zones.

reply to post by smithjustinb


I just wrote this on another thread:
'This' can not be measured, that is the point. 'This' is 'The Point'. The point at which time ceases to exist. There is only here and now and any measuring has to be done from here to here. 'This' is the only reference point that truly exists. Here and now. Which together make nowhere. A placeless place. But 'this' can be known. 'This' experience.
'This' experience is what is commonly called 'I'.
'I' is the consciousness. 'I' is the one that is awake, conscious.

Everything that is ever going to happen happens here and now in the I-ness that you are.
Because our minds construct time and space we bring into creation the 'solid' objects.
The 'solid' objects are appearing within consciousness as consciousness.

There is only the subject. Like when you dream, there are no solid people or places or things (although there appears to be). On waking the dream vanishes into the thin air it appeared out of. The dream was no more than a mirage, a willow the wisp but the experience was real.
The experience and the experiencer of the dream, are just one 'thing' - the dream.
The dream is the cause and the effect.
You could say the dream is consciousness itself.

reply to post by smithjustinb


Or this one i wrote today:
Time does not exist as such. It is only made of thought, the thought 'tomorrow' is the creation of time.
This existence does, like you say, only exist presently. It is always now. The eternal now.
It could be said that time is a distance - from here to there.
But in our experience (which is where we measure from), we can never be anywhere but 'here'. I sit 'here' in front of the pc and where ever i go if i happen to check my location i will always be 'here' and 'now'.
If there is only 'here' and 'now', there is no room in this dimension for time or space. No room for 'things'.
When i look at a star, it is seen now and here to me. Someone would have had to have told me about how many millions of light years away it 'really' is??? But i see it now and here, instantly, intimately.
The words and thoughts are what create the illusion of time and space.
Without time and space can anything actually exist at all?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


It's like here is there and there is here.

reply to post by smithjustinb


'Here' is true.
'There' is a fantasy.

I am here, i can never be there. 'There' is an idea, 'here' is also a word, a thought but really it is nowwhere, now and here always.

If we know for sure we are here and now, we will not get fragmented into the world of 'things'. The past and future exist here and now in me in this presence of here and now. Fantasy and ghosts can not convince me that the future or past exist in reality so i don't need to worry about them.
Every 'thing' exists in this moment as me.
No 'thing' solid can exist until i believe it into being.

'This' exists or appears to, but what is 'this' made out of?

reply to post by jiggerj


I thought I would share my experience here...because you are right, we need to 'Be Human' and experience all the things that means, fully & honestly...but (here's the kicker) without attachment. I have been on this path pretty heavy for about five years now, and only in the past year have I finally found that 'center,' the peace within me that feels secure in this Universe regardless what goes on outside of me. I still have the feelings of anger, jealousy, irritability, resentment, discouragement, disgust...but there is a profound difference now. I don't get all wrapped up in it, I don't feel the need to dwell on it, I feel the emotion (good or bad) and let it flow on through. This is not to say that there aren't times when I start falling into the trap of negative feelings, but I am now able to catch myself before it gets too far. Because I can now catch myself, my response to the situation that's causing these feelings is less toxic for myself and those around me. I am learning to stop REACTING, and instead am learning how to act.
I can simultaneously hold in my heart & my head the fact that there is all the suffering all over the world, that people are dying terrible deaths, experiencing terrible experiences, feeling horrendous feelings, and still hold in my heart & my head that this is an amazing world with amazing potential, and the day is beautiful and the flowers are exquisite and the birds are serenading in a beautiful melody, and I love my fellow humans...and I can do this because I know that I am taking responsiblity enough for my (re)actions that I am not contributing to the suffering of others, instead of spreading and perpetuating the negative, I am spreading and perpetuating the positive.
The negative is still there, yet my awareness focuses on the positive. I can still acknowledge the negative, but I refuse to propagate it.
Feel what you need to feel, be in the emotions you need to be in. Be Human. But let yourself evolve in Love. That is where the true power lies.

Namaste

reply to post by pisces 77


I really like what you have written.
I totally agree we are here to experience the 'ten thousand things', and every emotion is welcome. Watch them and they will be passing guests. It is I (you who is reading this) who is the space for the guests to pass through, it is I who experiences the all.
All the 'things' are inclusive of everything that can be named. From anger, rage, sadness to thought, people, chairs, tables, any 'thing' that can be named.
The unnamable is what you are.
The transparent window through which all of this is seen.

I know you know this, it is recognized.
You know that it is preferable to feel warm and fuzzy than to feeling cold and isolated and scared.
It is about the experience of life.
'Things' are not important.

Namaste.

reply to post by smithjustinb

we are all consciousness, their is no separation and we are all intrinsically connected with each other. If a person begin to think that way, than he will never hurt any other human being, as he will feel connected to him. But we have religions and religious cults, which are indoctrinating us with false beliefs that their is a god or supreme being or great architect of the universe outside of this consciousness and we should obey his commands, fear him and pray to him for our well being.

"The eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him." ---- Psalm 33:18

This illusion of god is the biggest illusion in the world.

reply to post by illuminazi slayer


God said do not make idols of me.
God as an outside authority is the mass delusion i agree.
When ever i use the word god i mean consciousness.
Jesus and Buddha were spreading the message of consciousness. Christ is not the surname of Jesus. It was Buddha consciousness, Buddhas name was not Buddha it was Siddhartha.
So the god that Jesus and 'the enlightened one' (buddha) were talking about was consciousness too.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by illuminazi slayer

 

God said do not make idols of me.
God as an outside authority is the mass delusion i agree.
When ever i use the word god i mean consciousness.
Jesus and Buddha were spreading the message of consciousness. Christ is not the surname of Jesus. It was Buddha consciousness, Buddhas name was not Buddha it was Siddhartha.
So the god that Jesus and 'the enlightened one' (buddha) were talking about was consciousness too.

Exactly, the mistake religious followers make is reading about God, but never understanding who he is. They think he's some kind of judgemental man in the sky that will punish everyone and send them to hell for not believing Jesus died on the cross for them.

Most Christians have no idea what it really means to believe in Jesus. They think you can go up to an alter one day in church, say a prayer, and you are saved from damnation. That's retarded. If one really believed in Jesus, they would give up themselves and live like Jesus. It's not about an affirmation, it's about character, and your behavior determines the life you live now and when you die. Jesus is the standard not and by being like him you are saved. NOT by saying a prayer one time in your life.

reply to post by smithjustinb


There is nothing but here and now. Anytime you like ask yourself your location and it will always be here and now. There never was a begining to you, what you are. You are consciousness itself. If there was no begining of you there will be no end to you (death). Each instant (and we can't know what an instant is...) is the begining and the end in completion.
All the scientists would have you believe that the big bang happened millions of years ago.
Each instant the big bang is banging, that's what we are seeing here and now.
Like a firework display.
Then the mind comes along and makes stories about it.

We can make any drama we like about it. But if we have only been given symbols to make sad stories we can only make sad stories.
When we remove the symbols that have been the construct of the mind (words, concepts, ideas, beliefs), the unveiling will happen. The world will be seen for it's spectacular intelligence and beauty.

Then the world can become like a playground again, childlikeness returns.
Life is joyful and stress free.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

There is nothing but here and now. Anytime you like ask yourself your location and it will always be here and now. There never was a begining to you, what you are. You are consciousness itself. If there was no begining of you there will be no end to you (death). Each instant (and we can't know what an instant is...) is the begining and the end in completion.
All the scientists would have you believe that the big bang happened millions of years ago.
Each instant the big bang is banging, that's what we are seeing here and now.
Like a firework display.
Then the mind comes along and makes stories about it.

We can make any drama we like about it. But if we have only been given symbols to make sad stories we can only make sad stories.
When we remove the symbols that have been the construct of the mind (words, concepts, ideas, beliefs), the unveiling will happen. The world will be seen for it's spectacular intelligence and beauty.

Then the world can become like a playground again, childlikeness returns.
Life is joyful and stress free.

edit on 20-5-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I know what you're saying, and I have actually assumed this thought before but never pursued it in depth.

Oneness is OK, but I am not you and you are not me; from a distance I might feel you but oftentimes when I do I am not recognizing who you are.

We are the outer manifestation of the Universe looking in on itself! I am the very nerve ending of this very particular pathway. You have your pathway and I have mine; "they" are "you" to me. We are not alone because we are One.

So, be careful of the thoughts you project outward to your world, because I may feel it from mine. I would like to help you but I do not know from which direction it originates as it is engulfed by the mass expression of everyone, so I shut you out.

I re-sensitize myself. I cleanse. I purify. I quiet the One for just a moment so that I can grasp my Ego. It is fleeting most times so I have to Exorcise the Ego. I simply try to help others! In my attempt to help, and to be of service to others, I am faced with the Self as it is left up to the Self to create the capacity of my help. Am I helping myself in the process? In what manner do I benefit? Suddenly the Ego shows itself more clearly.

I can give you an example. I can garden and do landscaping (I have good legs and a good back), often the person I am "working for" leaves the details up to me. I get to decide the shape of things, the height, the depth, the colors, and all the aspects of the approach. I try to get input to help me but often I am left to my own imagination and haphazard stumbling as I express myself. I find that I am exercising "Desire". I find that my past plantings and gardens have influenced my expressions and I then find myself recreating the past, or attempting to "replace what was lost". Then I find myself questioning if I am doing this "service" for others or am I doing this for myself?

The answers come when the expression flows and comes to Completion. Any barriers or hindrances are means of facing the Ego as they manifest, often repeatedly until it is learned.

I decided to go to work and not be paid. I decided that I would work without supervision or direction. I am at the Mercy of my Ego!

I believe that we are all within the "Acceleration of Spirit" and our Personal Work is talking to us all so that we can overcome even ourselves.

How important it really is to get the anger, the bitterness, the doubt, and the fear and remove it as we face our Ego and try to reach out to the One! Even though we are missing Home, we are not Lost, there is a difference.