It's ours! Denmark plans to lay claim to North Pole as melting ice opens up oil opportunities Read

Silly people, there isn't any ice melting, revealing anything. Global warming is a fake. I'm serial. Don't you listen to Fox News and the republicans? It's all fake to sell carbon credits. I'm totally serial.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Arctic sovereignty is a top Canadian security priority.

Unfortunately, Harper has cut funding for patrol craft, invested money into unfit American weapons (F-35s over the arctic? F off), and plans to allow the US to patrol our arctic waters for us as part of the SPP as an extension of NORAD.

I say whatever plans we had for the arctic just went out the window. I hope the Yanks freeze up there if they want it so bad.

As Dimitri has stated, Canada has always prided itself on the Artic superiority to other nations, however, economic decline and re-prioritization has certianly hindered our ability to maintian our authority in the currently international waters. Sad thing indeed. No one does snow and ice like Canucks.

What the people who voted Conservative don't realize is that they have virtually sealed the deal on the North American Union. That means that whatever the US wants in the Arctic, the US will get.

Harper is nothing if not a patsy for big business and the US government -- one and the same. There will be no WW3 over the arctic unless for some reason the big oil companies see it as being to their advantage. It doesn't really matter which political entity has control over the area anyway because in the end, it's the multi-national oil companies who are in control and who will receive the profits.

The citizens of whichever country own the area will get stuck with the bills for the pollution.

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Too late.

Mother Russia has apparently already claimed the North Pole...
This will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Putin's Arctic invasion: Russia lays claim to the North Pole - and all its gas, oil, and diamonds

June 2007

Muscle-flexing: Putin has his sights on Arctic oil and gas

The dramatic move provoked an international outcry. The U.S. and Canada expressed shock and environment campaigners said it would be a disaster. Observers say the move is typical of Putin's muscle-flexing as he tries to increase Russian power.

Under current international law, the countries ringing the Arctic - -Russia, Canada, the U.S., Norway, and Denmark (which owns Greenland) - are limited to a 200-mile economic zone around their coasts.

Russia Plants Underwater Flag, Claims Arctic Seafloor

August 3, 2007

Russia has laid claim to the seafloor at the North Pole, planting its national flag underwater in the hopes of securing the Arctic's potential motherlode of natural resources.

In an unprecedented dive beneath the ice, two three-person submersibles descended 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) to the bottom, where one symbolically dropped a titanium capsule containing a Russian flag.

Nobody knows for sure what resources lie beneath the Arctic Ocean, but oil and gas are among the greatest possible interests.

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I think Denmark should make a pack with Germany over that claim.Germany have a bigger army to help protecting that area and money wise are the strongest.The outsiders will think twice before doing something stupid.

2 or 3 weeks back someone posted a news item and a comment regarding Denmark and why they (Denmark) were getting involved in what was going on at the time. If memory serves me right Denmark were having ambition to be a major player on the worlds stage.
I'm sorry but I don't remember what thread I read it on but I'll guess it was something to do with Egypt, Libya or elsewhere in the Mid-East.
Hopefully the poster will read this thread and allude to his/her previous post.

As far as I am concerned every "country" should keep away from that land, how about the inuits whos have been living up north all there lives? There the ones who are already having problems because of the climate change(don't believe in global warming, but the climate IS changing) Greed Greed Greed, they have been living off of the frozen land and always have known how to make due with what they have, Society needs to stop being so territorial..


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So this is why we have had globle worming!
and the next big war.

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Originally posted by ShellyBoo
As far as I am concerned every "country" should keep away from that land, how about the inuits whos have been living up north all there lives? There the ones who are already having problems because of the climate change(don't believe in global warming, but the climate IS changing) Greed Greed Greed, they have been living off of the frozen land and always have known how to make due with what they have, Society needs to stop being so territorial..

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Whether it is man made/caused or simply the result of a very long and little understood climatic cycle the climate/environment IS changing. The Inuit will have to adjust and adapt to their changing environment just like the rest of us. Point of fact: There is NO LAND at the North Pole. Existing and future Sea lanes through the pole area for commerce and trade etc will increase in size and stay open longer before winter sets in again and closes and or restricts travel through them as the climate continues changing.

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Everything that is done on the surrounding waters, effects those that live on the land near by, this effects the marine life, and animal life which is what they thrive on..NO excuses..



ETA: Point of Fact: Water usually covers Land(what exactly do you think they plan on drilling into?)

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wat do u think santa will do man...

Originally posted by ShellyBoo
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Everything that is done on the surrounding waters, effects those that live on the land near by, this effects the marine life, and animal life which is what they thrive on..NO excuses..



ETA: Point of Fact: Water usually covers Land(what exactly do you think they plan on drilling into?)

Did you read my first post in this thread? Russia has it's eyes on all the potential mineral rights on the Arctic sea floor. That's what everybody is up in arms about. The area in question is huge and has the potential for vast amounts of submerged natural resources.

Besides. This could actually be a boom for the Inuits. They will be on the front line of a potential economic bonanza. Plenty of jobs could be had in the potential industries or support facilities etc. That will come from exploration and exploitation of the area.

One hypothetical question:

If the North Pole per se is granted to a nation and it moves as people are discussing in other threads and entered another nations borders that would be quite amusing! I assume what we are really talking about is a grid reference of land/seabed being allocated? does anyone know for sure.

also makes me think of Russian seamen in their sub moving Putins flag every day a couple of feet

On a serious note, in my opinion all the resources therein should be administered by a global council of nations and the proceeds used as a global emergency fund for people and countries who need aid, it would remove the burden of foreign aid from individual nations and could be a fighting fund for disasters and even if we could get real altruism going to support people in Africa with irrigation, clean drinking water and micro business loans to help increase the standard of living. I don't hold much hope for the countries with vested interests being so sensible however!

Originally posted by atsmem1980
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wat do u think santa will do man...

A lot more then you can imagine...

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The OP opened this thread pertaining to production of oil/gas companies, which is what I am replying too..I don't hear too much about the inuit wanting new jobs and "boom" you speak of, but I may take some time to read up on that..But usually this culture likes to keep there ways of living because its always worked for them, they are very tight society, and shouldnt have to adjust to us wanting to promote the "economy" which runs off of ego's and selfishness..

Originally posted by ShellyBoo
and shouldnt have to adjust to us wanting to promote the "economy" which runs off of ego's and selfishness..

As you yourself have posted. The environment is changing.

This means their way of life will change to. It isnt solely a matter of the "Economy" it's their survival. The manner in which they have lived will no longer be able to sustain itself if the projected changes do in fact occur. It's really up to them. They can live how they choose. Besides the area in question is massive and the Inuit population by comparison is tiny.

In the end it will be up to them to choose to attempt to live the way they have [With potentially diminishing results] due to those projected environment/climatic changes or take advantage of the economic boom. Nobody will force them to do anything they don't want to do.

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Unlike everyone else in this world, I consider that the population should take into consideration of animals/marine life, which have lived in these waters and land longer than you and I, and too have to make "adjustments" to human greed/enviromental change..

news.nationalgeographic.com... , not exactly related, but still proves a small point, not all land should need to be claimed by anyone...BP oil spill has killed tons of wildlife because of it.. its not fair

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I'm not advocating the scenario I described here, but simply posting what is potentially in store for all those involved. Sometimes I'm very pragmatic while discussing these types of stories.

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I like to debate myself, but sometimes people just need to realize that something should be left alone, because the debates will never end, because no matter what, noone will be happy with the outcome from any perspective you look at it..I live in the middle of oil country in Canada, and see the affects on a regular basis...

I do enjoy reading others perspective though

Go ahead and let them have it....the O admin isnt going to allow us to drill for the Northern oil so someone may as welll get it