A Chemtrail Challenge - FACT or BELIEF?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
You have only a misconception that it was "two planes". You saw the results of many airplanes passing overhead, from "Point A to Point B", as is the normal routine for air travel nowadays. All on different intersecting routes and headings, and making contrails.

I'm talking about cottage country here. I repeat there are no commericail flight paths were I am. There are no jet planes up here and the only ones that would and could come this way are government.

Jets can not make it rain.

Jets can not create a weather system.

What if i said i saw hot air balloons go by, then it rained 2 hours later, what would you say?

Contrails are more likely to exist and persist, in advance of weather systems. sailors thousands of years ago noticed more cirrus before it rained, even boy scouts have sayings for it.

Its amazing how much knowledge we are losing in the supposedly information age.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


>sigh

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker

Originally posted by weedwhacker
You have only a misconception that it was "two planes". You saw the results of many airplanes passing overhead, from "Point A to Point B", as is the normal routine for air travel nowadays. All on different intersecting routes and headings, and making contrails.

I'm talking about cottage country here. I repeat there are no commericail flight paths were I am. There are no jet planes up here and the only ones that would and could come this way are government.

Flightpaths cover rural and urban areas. You might not notice the jet's because they're usually 35,000 feet above your head. I suggest having a look at air traffic routes on the internet.

Originally posted by firepilot
Jets can not make it rain.

Jets can not create a weather system.

I meant jet powered aircraft obviously. The largest plane within 100km is the water bomber and its a prop engine.

Sorry my location link didn't work. Just google map West Wanipigow lake, Manitoba Canada.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


Manitoba. Not all that far (as the crow flies) from the Great Lakes region.

You are apparently under the mis-impression that you must be "near an airport" for contrails to be seen? Wrong.

Contrails are the result of high-flying airplanes, passing overhead, on their way to-from their points of origin/destination. Why is this simple fact so difficult to convey to people??

Video, representing 24 hours of air traffic...go full-screen, and look carefully at the region of Canada where you are located:




This is a close-up, focused just on the "United States"....but, it is broad enough to include your area. See where the Great Lakes are....Cleveland, Chicago and Minneapolis are major airline hubs, and stand out there. YOU are north and west of that general location. See all the flights that pass overhead?:

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Sorry my location link didn't work. Just google map West Wanipigow lake, Manitoba Canada.

Have a look, here It's live flight tracking near your area. Keep in mind this only tracks a small percentage of flights.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

You are apparently under the mis-impression that you must be "near an airport" for contrails to be seen? Wrong.

No, i'm under the impression these planes come from Winnipeg which is a 230km drive to my lake. There is also not one major city north,northeast, or northwest of winnipeg.

I have yet to find evidence of one commercial flight path that flies north of winnipeg and I have checked a few sources so unless you can find one i'm going to have to go with my 30 years of never seeing a commercial aircraft over my lake area.

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Sorry my location link didn't work. Just google map West Wanipigow lake, Manitoba Canada.

Have a look, here It's live flight tracking near your area. Keep in mind this only tracks a small percentage of flights.

edit on 5/22/11 by adeclerk because: (no reason given)

None of those planes flying north are jet powered. They fly to small northen communities or reserves and seat less than 50 people.

Edit to add: I should be clear when I said commercial flights I mean big, jet powered aircraft. Not small, prop powered commercial craft.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


Go to this site (It is only for USA charts, unfortunately):

skyvector.com...

Open it. Look for the globe icon, labeled "Charts". Hover your mouse over it, a drop-down menu box opens. Put your mouse over "Enroute High", so that it is highlighted blue,and click it. Look at the outlines of the map regions, drawn on the USA map. Click on the center, top rectangle...it is "Enroute H-2". Open it, and you will see it cuts off just below your location....but, you can see Thunder Bay, and other points in Canada that you may recognize.

You can see the variety of printed routes....in recent times, to further shorten flights, for efficiency, many routings are more *direct* as well...it's part of the future of air navigation. So, they may or may not follow lines that are charted on maps.

When we are flying to/from destinations in Europe, depending on the time of year, and the prevailing winds, we will arc across Canada, in many different paths and routes, including over-head your area. I personally have flown this countless times, with points like Thunder Bay, and Sault St. Marie and others as waypoints in the flight plans.

Not just the United States-based air carriers, but scores of International airlines as well. Plus, there are the inter-Canada domestic flights, too.


Can't find (yet) free Canadian aeronautical navigation charts online....because:

NAV Canada offers aeronautical charts, unfortunately you have to pay to obtain them. Do you think you could set up a fund that could be used for the regular acquisition of Canadian aeronautical charts for posting on SkyVector?

skyvector.com...


If you wish, you could purchase a Chart for your region.

www.fedpubs.com...

Index for High Altitude Charts

(You would want "HI-4". In fact, I believe it will be printed both sides, and include "HI-3 and 4". Most US Charts are that format).

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


Take a video of the planes making these trails..
Use a tripod and the highest resolution camera you can buy or borrow..

Arguing with these guys is pointless..
According to them every square inch of planet earth is in a flight path although as far as I was aware flight paths are actually quite narrow and mostly adhered to..

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

Go to this site (It is only for USA charts, unfortunately):

skyvector.com...

edit on Sun 22 May 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)

Well thats useless for this discussion. Compare maps between the USA and Canada. The US is heavely populated from south to north. Canada is mostly populated in the southern regions and sparce in the north.

Also if some continental flight is going overhead and not landing for 1000's of km, wouldn't it be so high up I wouldn't see it or its contrail?

Okay, erm... I normally stay out of chemtrails threads because I'm really no good at arguing. But I'm feeling confident tonight so here goes.

First of all start and flag to OP for bringing up the subject of belief versus fact. I think you hit it spot on.

My personal belief is that 'chemtrails' do not exist. I have read several threads on here on the subject and not once have I seen any actual evidence of them (other than "but I seen them up there in the sky").

I like to think I have open mind on subjects but for me to begin to consider something I have to read/see something that makes me start to think and wonder. But with chemtrails, there is nothing.

As for the poster/s who say that they see 'chemtrails' that cover the sky then later it rains - well I say this (apologies if it isn't very technical but I hope you get my drift)... different weather and atmosphere can cause clouds to form or not form. Eg on hot sunny days, often there are no clouds. If it is going to rain, then we see clouds beforehand. So, the fact that 'chemtrails' appear before it rains doesn't mean they caused the rain, it means the weather was the correct condition for the contrails to form.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

Take a video of the planes making these trails..
Use a tripod and the highest resolution camera you can buy or borrow..

Arguing with these guys is pointless..
According to them every square inch of planet earth is in a flight path although as far as I was aware flight paths are actually quite narrow and mostly adhered to..

I don't own any good equipment for filming it. I'll try to get something togethar for this summer so I can show i'm not crazy.

I know there are no jet powered craft, beyond government, that fly that far north so i'm not bothered by their denial at all. I have seen it and its as simple as that.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Sorry my location link didn't work. Just google map West Wanipigow lake, Manitoba Canada.

Have a look, here It's live flight tracking near your area. Keep in mind this only tracks a small percentage of flights.

edit on 5/22/11 by adeclerk because: (no reason given)

None of those planes flying north are jet powered. They fly to small northen communities or reserves and seat less than 50 people.

Edit to add: I should be clear when I said commercial flights I mean big, jet powered aircraft. Not small, prop powered commercial craft.

edit on 22-5-2011 by FreeSpeaker because: (no reason given)

Propeller aircraft create contrails too, have a look at some photos from WWII.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

Take a video of the planes making these trails..
Use a tripod and the highest resolution camera you can buy or borrow..

Arguing with these guys is pointless..
According to them every square inch of planet earth is in a flight path although as far as I was aware flight paths are actually quite narrow and mostly adhered to..

What would another video of contrails do for the cause? It would only further serve to discredit this 'chemtrail' nonsense.

It's hard to argue with those who have logic, science, and evidence on their side. So I understand your frustration.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


Wrong....

I know there are no jet powered craft, beyond government, that fly that far north....

I already told you, I have, many times. SO do others.

You have a lot of information to absorb, to learn from......too bad it's so difficult to educate peoplel, sometimes....