moon landing hoax

Hey Minion, dont equate Pushkkin with sonofone.

They are two different creatures entirely

Sonofone- will not listen to any counterarguments, no matter how well stated, or how well backed up

Pushkkin- Started out as a borderline "moon landing hoax" believer. However, as stated by Kano, pushkkin has learned about these topics. His questions are merely that....questions. I think he is actually trying to learn about what really happened. Read his posts on this (and other) threads, and you will see that he is coming around. His command of the scientific and verifiable facts are (as yet) limited, but the guy (gal?) is actually willing to learn from our posts.

They are two different creatures of learning altogether.

I admire pushkkin for his/her willingness to learn.

HAHA, of course we've been on the moon, BUT NOT on that specific day in '69!

Hello Italiano. Could you elaborate please?

Hello friends, I would really love to see a pic of the lunar rover taken using a professional telescope.

BTW, why is Bush looking at landing again on the Moon if we have been there so many times?

Let's go to Mars intead!

I think going to Mars is too big of a jump. I believe it would be better to establish a permanent base on the moon first and perfect our tech for living in off world conditions. Plus then the Moon would make for a great launching site to Mars. Less gravity and no airfriction when launching from the Moon.

There arn't any photos of the lunar rover taken with a telescope. I do believe there may be some photos of the apollo landing sites though, but you can't really see much detail in them, so i don't think it would convince any one who believes in the hoax.

Originally posted by kangaxx


autralians maybe can have a diferent opinion about this

))...why i am saying this?...try to find it. try to find a autralian that had seen the TV moon news from the very begin and maybe the truth cames out one day....better: you need to find some one that have recorded in some way the first minuts of the "moon news" receved in australia at that time, and then compare with all the "official" moon movies....that will b ethe only way to find waht can be behind all of this subject.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by kangaxx]

I've no problem with the moon landing, I was doubtful once, but the hoax theories seem to have been debunked.

Now this may be irrelevant to the thread, but it may have bearing on what kangaxx said, although there just may be some other hoax involved. I didn't see this myself, so you be the judge.

I used to share a house with a guy, a talented diesel mechanic who worked when he felt like it - and when he didn't, well he was a real square-eyes, a TV & movie nut. He was a walking encyclopaedia on all things movie & TV, as you can imagine. Now I began sharing a house with him AFTER the moon landing, but he told the story many times, & I met a friend of his who was watching telly with him when this happened.

Our telecast in Australia was evidently "beamed" from the Parkes Observatory [look it up] & it seems that Parkes got the "footage" earlier than the rest of the world at some vital stage, I'm dumb about astronomy, but I guess you'd understand this bit.

Now Jimmy [that's his name] swears to this day that he & his mate sitting beside him, both saw ANOTHER craft in that telecast, it was some distance away from the US one, not a reflection or mirror image, a different craft altogether. They were whooping with excitement about this, which is understandable - but Jimmy to this day vows & declares that this particular bit from Parkes was never shown again.

Maybe that was what kangaxx was referring to, I've no idea as I never saw the moon landing myself at that time.

[edit on 8-8-2004 by pushkin]

Originally posted by Sunofone
great diversionary tactic -creating a sacrificial lamb that can be sacrificed over and over again-oxo is clearly not a rational oponent for the hoax camp and is clearly a tool used by poor debaters and intellectually deficient to throw stones at whenever someone with a rational theory comes forward-the BOTTOM LINE is that the whole issue lies in the scientific establishments claim that beyond the van allen radiation belt the cosmic radiation can be endured by the type of craft that was used in apollo--the two camps can be divided into one of either groups--1-those that believe the establishments claim of nonlethal radiation beyond the VARB and are convinced we went to the moon and everything is legitamate--2-those that feel the military machine strong armed the scientific establishment into misinforming the public because of national security and everything has been faked------------THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THIS IS TO VENTURE BEYOND THE BELTS AGAIN--something that in my opinion cannot be done

If this is all lies then what are we supporting it for, like the illusionary theory, anyhow good luck withthis one bro, I'm going to sleep.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
OK, Sonofone I have a few questions for you. Answer them and then we will talk

1. What is the average distance from the Earth of the inner van allen belt?
   
   
2. What types of radiation are present in the inner belt?
   
   
3. What is the outer belt?
   
   
4. What types of radiation are in the outer belt?
   
   
5. What type of shielding is necessary to stop an alpha particle?
   
   
6. What was the orbital distance for the four skylab missions?
   
   
7. What was the orbital distance of the any of the soviet space station missions?
   
   
   
   Until you can produce accurate answers for the above questions, you are full of nothing and your theories are full of nothing.
   
   
   

... And you are full of what???

Please...!!

[edit on 11/8/04 by HARAK]

(...) Now Jimmy [that's his name] swears to this day that he & his mate sitting beside him, both saw ANOTHER craft in that telecast, it was some distance away from the US one, not a reflection or mirror image, a different craft altogether. (...)

Maybe that was what kangaxx was referring to, I've no idea as I never saw the moon landing myself at that time.

Kangaxx words, most of the times, means many things in the same time.

I agree with you. Australian people, did had Proofs, and evidences, of "another" reality!!

Thanks Bastet!

yes bastet, i was refering to that. but not only that

the first 6-8 minuts of the "life broadcast" receved in australia was diferent from all the others transmited to all the world.
i do not know personaly nobody that have recorded that, but as you, i too had meet a old australian guy that corroborates that. althou i know that some people have proofs of that, it is a very small part of the "proofs" package that a "special" group is prepering in the last 2-3 years, and besides i never have seen that tape, i know it is there. in the first transmision was a apart where they had filmed the crater boards, where it can be seen clearly that "craft" you talk, as many others aligned in the borders.
after that "transmision", a black screen as happend and the australians beggin to see the same as all the world was seeing too. no more "weird" things have happened.

Yeah, I know it's something to do with the Earth being round, & also revolving, that the transmission of images from the Moon were received in turn by various places like the Parkes Observatory, who would then transmit the data to the US.[The astronomy buffs here must be cringing in horror at my limited understanding!]

And evidently Parkes had the first Moon transmission at this vitally interesting stage of what was happening. Actually, I used to get irritated with Jimmy, he told it so many times. I don't think that we had video recorders in Oz then, but I could be wrong about that. No I doubt I'm wrong - Jimmy would have recorded the whole thing had he been able to.

did anyone ever consider that we did go to the moon, but the videos are fake or edited to take out what cannot be shown? how about the fact that the astronauts cannot discuss anything they see without approval or go to jail or worse ie. gag order,, and there hasnt been a single astronaut that hasnt had alot of emtional issues or issues with nasa after returning from the moon? i personally felt for a long time it was fake and we never went,, now im thinking its more like we did go and thats not the footage or whatever is there is something that our government is not ready to discuss, nasa claims there is a 3 dimensional mirror on the moon placed by one of their missions to check the distance between the earth and the moon and they check the distance on a regular basis, perhaps the radiation belt story is disinformation to keep us from wanting to rush back there, i mean its been 40 years and we havent made any progress on return trips or any more moon walks, no bases, nothing? thats not our nature to just do it and forget about it and never go back for 40 years

Originally posted by genesiss
did anyone ever consider that we did go to the moon, but the videos are fake or edited to take out what cannot be shown? how about the fact that the astronauts cannot discuss anything they see without approval or go to jail or worse ie. gag order,, and there hasnt been a single astronaut that hasnt had alot of emtional issues or issues with nasa after returning from the moon?

I think it's because the inhibitants of the moon warned the US not to ever go back again and we have obeyed.

No one lives on our moon, not humans or aliens.

Nasa is going back to the moon to stay for a long time to, so if you want proof just wait until around the year 2020.

Or for picture proof, wait till Nov/Dec 2004, when the ESA probe called Smart-1 will take the most current pics of our moon, and with the best resolution. With these pics we should be able to see our stuff like the moon buggy on its surface, if we cant find it, then start questioning your beliefs.

Originally posted by Murcielago
No one lives on our moon, not humans or aliens.

Nasa is going back to the moon to stay for a long time to, so if you want proof just wait until around the year 2020.

Oh, yes 2020. Do you know how much money was spend in 60s on moon project.
And how much now they must spend. So no not in 2020 may be in 2040s

i have a comment,, as i have stated in other threads,, because i am unsure of what i believe anymore but try this,, 1. the van allen belt, we cant go to the moon but there is a 3 dimensional mirror on the moon to calculate distance from the moon to earth how did it get there? 2. everyone seems to think it would be a great acomplishment to establish a base on the moon,, public interest polls are based on those that report them 3. if we did go to the moon and for either money or other reasons the government doesnt want to go back,, how do they discourage going back? the van allen belt debate would be a great idea!! so 1. we went to the moon and the government REALLY doesnt want to go back for reasons we are not supposed to know or 2. we never went they just cant admit it because it would undermine public trust but to say well we did now lets forget about it because no one is interested? oh please its in our nature to explore and conquer

Originally posted by pushkin

Originally posted by Murcielago
No one lives on our moon, not humans or aliens.

Nasa is going back to the moon to stay for a long time to, so if you want proof just wait until around the year 2020.

Oh, yes 2020. Do you know how much money was spend in 60s on moon project.
And how much now they must spend. So no not in 2020 may be in 2040s

really,,, but we can afford to fight terrorism, we can afford to send probes to mars, and we can afford to send probes to study asteroids that will never hit us in our lifetime (yea right) and even send probes to collect solar samples from the sun but we cant send a rover to the moon even though we know so little about the moon,,makes perfect sense to me

Originally posted by genesiss

Originally posted by pushkin
Oh, yes 2020. Do you know how much money was spend in 60s on moon project.
And how much now they must spend. So no not in 2020 may be in 2040s

really,,, but we can afford to fight terrorism...

That's right,
This year's whole budget for NASA was 16 billion when your military budget was 400 billion, and that doesn't even include Iraq war.
Also Homeland security act gets 40 billion.

So costs much be relative or why the hell some keep space exploration expensive!

Genesiss
but we cant send a rover to the moon even though we know so little about the moon,,makes perfect sense to me

We will start sending robotic missions to the moon in 2008.

There is a lot of talk about what the astronauts found on the moon. The moon is (relatively) HUGE!!! And there are no oceans. Either the moon is covered with alien establishments, or we hit the lottery and landed in just the right spot. I don't remember where I read it, but there was a site that claimed the astronauts took a buggy ride "to the dark side" and came across a bunch of alien structures, and the aliens responsible for them. The moon, like the Earth, is not flat. You don't just step over to the other side. And again, the moon is HUGE. How lucky were they to have strolled into just the right neighborhood!