moon landing hoax

And also
www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

The Earth has two regions of trapped fast particles. The inner radiation belt discovered by Van Allen is relatively compact, extending perhaps one Earth radius above the equator (1 RE = 6371 km or about 4000 miles). It consists of very energetic protons, a by-product of collisions by cosmic ray ions with atoms of the atmosphere. The number of such ions is relatively small, and the inner belt therefore accumulates slowly, but because trapping near Earth is very stable, rather high intensities are reached, even though their build-up may take years.

pushkin, it is nice that you are keeping us posted as you learn about these topics, but from the very page you linked:

The Earth actually has two radiation belts of different origins. The inner belt, the one discovered by Van Allen's Geiger counter, occupies a compact region above the equator (see drawing, which also includes the trajectories of two space probes) and is a by-product of cosmic radiation. It is populated by protons of energies in the 10-100 Mev range, which readily penetrate spacecraft and which can, on prolonged exposure, damage instruments and be a hazard to astronauts. Both manned and unmanned spaceflights tend to stay out of this region.

Apollo exposure was not prolonged, they didn't even go through the thicker sections of the belts, no worries there.

Yea, in fact NASA got Dr. Van Allen to help them with this problem. People hell bent on saying that the landing never happened , often say " well, the landing module's wall was only a fraction of an inch thick". But they werent in the module while going through the belts, they were in the command module, which had significantly thicker walls. As for the belts themselves, i recall that the course to the moon went through the " Mid atlantic annomoly" which is a part of the belts that comes very close to the earth and is therefore very thin. Things like this explain " UFO"s as actually charged particles floating down through an annomolie like this.

As for someone previoulsy saying that " the pictures were obvioulsy doctored somehow". Does anyone remember that the earth as well as the surface of the moon are highly reflective? The moons surface is 60 percent silica. Thats glass. Therefore there are 2 producers of light and can make wierd things happen with cameras and human perception.

www.badastronomy.com

This page as well as a few others such as www.clavius.com
debunk the hoaxsters pretty badly.

Instead of me elaborating and then getting mad, and then getting my name revoked,.....go to these sites.

I'm a retired economics professor, not a physicist or engineer. But I've studied enough science to know that going to the moon isn't impossible and, in fact, occurred.

I have been onsite many times for space launches at Cape Kennedy. I was in Florida when Armstrong and his crew rocketed into space. I watched from the Cape as Senator John Glenn returned to space a second time only a few years ago. Many engineers who worked on the Apollo projects were friends of mine and I can tell you without any doubt whatsoever, none of those would have assisted in perpetrating a hoax on the public.

It wasn't faked. I was there from the time the moon landers left, watching it onscreen until the moment they landed, give or take a few naps from time to time.

This argument of the Van Allen belt making all these well-documented experiences impossible reminds me of the arguments a few students years ago used to declare the world was flat and all photos from space were faked.

I don't intend to change anyone's mind. I learned long ago that once one's mind was made up, no amount of logic or another's experience can change it. I can only hope to warn others before they are taken in by illogical propositions.

Come to think of it, aren't all the threads along this line in violation as well? From now on we should punish those who start these things by banning them from the space forum.

Well, I suppose that it should be reworded to include that one won't knowingly post false information, and claim it as fact. The big loophole here is "knowingly" and then determining this.... so no, and I'm not advocating "punishment", just that this particular one has been severely beaten to death, and even just in the past few days...

Originally posted by Codemaster_01
I'm a retired economics professor, not a physicist or engineer. But I've studied enough science to know that going to the moon isn't impossible and, in fact, occurred.

I have been onsite many times for space launches at Cape Kennedy. I was in Florida when Armstrong and his crew rocketed into space. I watched from the Cape as Senator John Glenn returned to space a second time only a few years ago. Many engineers who worked on the Apollo projects were friends of mine and I can tell you without any doubt whatsoever, none of those would have assisted in perpetrating a hoax on the public.

It wasn't faked. I was there from the time the moon landers left, watching it onscreen until the moment they landed, give or take a few naps from time to time.

This argument of the Van Allen belt making all these well-documented experiences impossible reminds me of the arguments a few students years ago used to declare the world was flat and all photos from space were faked.

I don't intend to change anyone's mind. I learned long ago that once one's mind was made up, no amount of logic or another's experience can change it. I can only hope to warn others before they are taken in by illogical propositions.

I know that it is posible but not in that time and not with technology they had. !! So I think. ( so people agree with me and so disagree), But we will never know the truth.

Pushkin, the technology they had, is pretty much the same technology we have. We have not made leaps and bounds since then, computer science is about the only thing on Apollo that has improved since then, that and communications systems (such as fiber-optics.).

Most of today's technology was invented for the Apollo missions and only moderately improved since then.

Originally posted by pushkin
But we will never know the truth.

NO! I know the truth, We went to the moon. It is you that will forever remain in doubt.

Sadly, this doubt is not based on any factual evidence or lack thereof, but rather it is born out of your own distrusts and suspicions. You and several others in these threads have scrambled to find and fit the evidence to support your theory, rather than trying to fit the theory to the evidence. There was nothing wrong with the technology of the time. Werner Van Braun was a technical genius. The Saturn boosters and Apollo rockets were incredible feats of engineering. Difficult and inspired, yes, but impossible? No!

Oh, also, we do know the truth Pushkin. There are hundreds of pounds of Moon Rocks and data being sent back by the experiments on the Moon.

One experiment left by Apollo 11 is still active and sending back data. The Lunar Laser Ranger (I am not sure if that is its correct name).

Basically it's a refractor, built to reflect lasers directly back to their source, thus allowing us to discover down to a wave-length the distance from here to that point on the Moon. It is still opperated today.

Originally posted by Codemaster_01
I'm a retired economics professor, not a physicist or engineer. But I've studied enough science to know that going to the moon isn't impossible--

you are truly unaware of the actual relavence of this statement
how does the study of a lie make it true?-im not tyring piss anyone off-im new to this board and am tyring to interject my thoughts on the subject-im not much into archive diving-i am convinced that that the military machine has abused its authority and forced some good people to stretch the truth under the guise of national security-there seem to be many people here who have anger issues and are unable to pay attention to the details of my posts reacting with frustration and arguing issues not even in question-i think jra was the only one who noticed that i have been talking about "cosmic radiation" -or radiation BEYOND the vab---i cannot prove my claims only try and relate my perspective
www.clavius.org...
now this link does not argue my case and is just a reference to avoid confusion-the truth is there will never be proof satisfactory enough to prove beyond a resonable doubt that we cannot endure cosmic radiation until we traverse it again-which in my opinion will be never-as it cannot be done-there will always be a reason not to go whether its a lack of money,desire or need

the apollo missions were the only to venture into this type of radiation-the belts act as a sheild for earth blocking the radiation in question-how many poeple blindly replied about the belts radiation content,its thickness,or even crying about locking the thread because i havent read the archives-
without reading my posts-

Originally posted by Codemaster_01

I don't intend to change anyone's mind. I learned long ago that once one's mind was made up, no amount of logic or another's experience can change it. I can only hope to warn others before they are taken in by illogical propositions.

noble stance-
the only difference between us is that i am trying to warn others that HAVE been taken in by illogical propositions -those of us who are covinced of a govt lie are not trying to disrespect anyone caught up in the middle of this fiasco and do not intend on slandering anyones honor-im sure every single person that did not have a need to know didnt-which really would be a small crowd-just dont deny the logical plausibilty of a national security issue requiring the comendering of a space agency-the biggest problem we face is the military machine's dedication to a sustained campaign-in a one world govt the machines only purpose is to thin the herd-we just have to realise that we are indeed under a world govt as we speak-

whosoever preaches about censorship should be censored

Sunofone, No one is crying about anything except you.

Please respect the fact that this is a forum where (civil) debate is encouraged. You have been challenged on a number of claims that you have made in your posts, yet you refuse to address those challenges.

For instance you claim that the Van Allen Belts are a �Shield,� but you also claim that they are dangerous. Your logic is confusing and your supporting data non-existent.

You claim that the Apollo astronauts were the only ones to venture beyond the Van Allen Belt, yet you have not responded to any of my questions regarding Skylab, the Russian Space Station or the International Space station. Where were/are these in relation to the Van Allen Belts?

"here seem to be many people here who have anger issues and are unable to pay attention to the details of my posts"
Likewise, you blatantly ignore the verified (and verifiable) evidence that essentially states that your arguments are wrong.
Pot...kettle....

"i am trying to warn others that HAVE been taken in by illogical propositions "
Your propositions themselves are illogical and have been refuted repeatedly. Yet you continue to ignore the facts and continue making references to "the military machine" that has "abused its authority and forced some good people to stretch the truth under the guise of national security". This is a classic case of avoiding the issue.
Military machine creating a hoax? Prove it.
And dont fall back on "well it cant be PROVEN because they've created such a massive cover up". That's a circular argument.

"whosoever preaches about censorship should be censored"
lol...you do realize the irony of your own statement, yes?

Then If Van Allen Belt is not danger to man I have quation:

In space after Van Allen Belt there is no radition?

If there is how strong it is?

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Sunofone, No one is crying about anything except you.

Please respect the fact that this is a forum where (civil) debate is encouraged. You have been challenged on a number of claims that you have made in your posts, yet you refuse to address those challenges.

For instance you claim that the Van Allen Belts are a �Shield,� but you also claim that they are dangerous. Your logic is confusing and your supporting data non-existent.

You claim that the Apollo astronauts were the only ones to venture beyond the Van Allen Belt, yet you have not responded to any of my questions regarding Skylab, the Russian Space Station or the International Space station. Where were/are these in relation to the Van Allen Belts?

the van allen belts act as a sheild protecting earth from cosmic radiation-in doing so there is a concentrated band of radiation that flows around the earth known as the van allen belts-so yes the belts act as a shield and are dangerous-skylab,mir and the iss all are well below the belts-a human has never traversed beyond the belts yet that is exactly what you have been led to believe and all necessary precautions have been taken in order to do so-the data supporting this theory exists but is not accepted due to the mass brainwashing that americans are subject to-most americans think that a single truck bomb demolished the federal oklahoma murrah building-yet the evidence speaks for itself-watch alex jones's 9/11 the road to tyranny-it can be downloaded from this link for free-right click on the desired format and click "save as"
www.archive.org...

Originally posted by pushkin
Then If Van Allen Belt is not danger to man I have quation:

In space after Van Allen Belt there is no radition?

If there is how strong it is?

This prooves that you and sonofone are not expeierienced in what you are talking about. Stop making a philosophy out of science. OF COURSE THERE IS RADIATION. Radiation gets concentrated in magnetic fields. If either of you were educated at all in this area of science, you would have used the
"flux pipe" of jupiter and Io, as an example.

I think we can put this thread to rest now

Oh yea, explain the perfect trajectories of the dust on the moon? Its impossible with the gravity here on earth for anything in a falling motion to follow the path of a parabola. Also, under a microscope, the moon rocks are just as cratered as the surface of the moon itself!.....HOW?!?!

No atmosphere, no air......any dust from space is set flying at the moon at high speeds....also impossible on earth.

Sunofone....you were whining before " why isnt there a blast crater? there should be a blast crater!!!" . why should there be a blast crater on the moon when there is no atmosphere to create a blast? If i remeber correctly, the nozzle was 54 inches across on the lunar lander, and was throttled. When you figure it out, the preasure excerted on the surface of the moon was about 1.5 pounds per square inch... not forceful at all, but enough to get the lander off the surface.

You seem to be losing an argument to math.. my freind.

It was all a cover-up of the U.S Government. They couldn't take the fact that the U.S.S.R were going to make it to space and the moon first, so they faked it...sure they may have left the atmosphere but they never landed on the moon...

AliensExist182, when commenting in a thread please don't just make such empty statements without bringing anything to back them up. Especially when there are so many points that you would need to address to make your claim true.

I can't even count the amount of topics about the "moon hoax", but it is extremly interesting to see how it is possible that in so many people talking around and around this subject, i do not see nobody talking about what can be the true theory!!!..hehe.

as far as i see in all the majority of the topics, this subject just is divided in 2 theorys:
- first- we have not been in the moon.
- second- yes we have been on the moon.

well for me and very other people on this wolrd there are at the least a 3rd possible theory:
- we had been on the moon , but nobody had seen the true films about it! all the world have seen a "holywood" footage.
but not all at all, autralians maybe can have a diferent opinion about this))...why i am saying this?...try to find it. try to find a autralian that had seen the TV moon news from the very begin and maybe the truth cames out one day....better: you need to find some one that have recorded in some way the first minuts of the "moon news" receved in australia at that time, and then compare with all the "official" moon movies....that will b ethe only way to find waht can be behind all of this subject.

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Originally posted by Sunofone
the van allen belts act as a sheild protecting earth from cosmic radiation-in doing so there is a concentrated band of radiation that flows around the earth known as the van allen belts-so yes the belts act as a shield and are dangerous-skylab,mir and the iss all are well below the belts-a human has never traversed beyond the belts yet that is exactly what you have been led to believe and all necessary precautions have been taken in order to do so-the data supporting this theory exists but is not accepted due to the mass brainwashing that americans are subject to-most americans think that a single truck bomb demolished the federal oklahoma murrah building-yet the evidence speaks for itself-watch alex jones's 9/11 the road to tyranny-it can be downloaded from this link for free-right click on the desired format and click "save as"
www.archive.org...

I have to ask. On no less than three occasions (maybe even more?), you have made reference to interviews/documentaries produced by Alex Jones here, here and here; having nothing to do with the thread where it's posted and for no appearent reason (other than plugging Alex Jones?).

To give you credit, you also started your own thread about an Alex Jones Interview.

What's your actual agenda here, Sunofone? Am I missing something?

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Durden]