do we not have a right to overthrow our government

The thing to do is not go after "the government." Its to declare as traitor those individuals who are selling this country out for their corporate friends, their banker friends, etc., and then take those individuals out and give them the good old fashioned traitor treatment with public execution or some such.

Go after the people betraying the nation, and abusing the public trust in the role of government, dont go after the government itself.

reply to post by beezzer


That right there is the problem. Get this....

The militia is designed for the purpose of putting down a tyrannical government. Fine, that works and is all defined within the Constitution. But, the Constitution does not protect us against corporations, and should a well armed militia go after a corporation, the government would be required to put the militia down. It is the loophole in the Constitution that corporate greed has figured out how to circumvent and exploit. Figure out how to close that loophole and then we have something we can sink our teeth into.

reply to post by Skewed


Its not that hard. Figure out a way to use their tricks against them. It would not be that hard to prove corporations were "terrorists." Or "traitors." They do business with anyone who will do business with them. Including some of the shadiest people on the planet.

The bastiges want "personhood" use it against them, and prosecute them as terrorists or traitors, and seize their assets.

Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by beezzer

 

That right there is the problem. Get this....

The militia is designed for the purpose of putting down a tyrannical government. Fine, that works and is all defined within the Constitution. But, the Constitution does not protect us against corporations, and should a well armed militia go after a corporation, the government would be required to put the militia down. It is the loophole in the Constitution that corporate greed has figured out how to circumvent and exploit. Figure out how to close that loophole and then we have something we can sink our teeth into.

edit on 16-5-2011 by Skewed because: (no reason given)

Corporations live and die by the tax laws et al. Why do you think lobbyists are the fattest bottom feeders in Washington?
The laws that they buy from politicians are their achilles heel.
Cut that, and they fail.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Consider this, and I am just spit balling here.

Maybe a lot of the problems stem from the corporations business models. For instance, my digital camera had its battery go bad. Fine, that happens and I can accept that. But, when I go looking for one at Radio Shack the damn thing is 40 bucks, I refuse to pay that and I will not buy a new camera just to get a new battery, I will just suck it up and do without. However, a little shopping around on the net, at Amazon, I find the same battery for 7 dollars and some change. The camera still works great and I have no reason to replace it anyway, but this right here is a perfect example of a waste based economy, and the corporations are promoting it wholeheartedly.

Most of it is the corporations operational overhead, and 3 people doing a one person job. But why should they care, just pass it off to the customer.

This is something that needs to be fixed, is this something that you are referring too? To me, when I see price differences such as this, I consider it to be highway robbery.

Originally posted by Skewed
For all intents and purposes I do not necessarily see the government as the problem, I say this very loosely. The ultimate problem is the corporations that have their greedy little paws in the government and controlling it for their own purpose.

Ok....so we overthrow the government...then what....we still are slaves to the corporate world.

What we need is people in the government that will put the corporations in their place and not allow them to lobby for laws that only serve their end game.

edit on 16-5-2011 by Skewed because: (no reason given)

Lets start with getting rid of lobbyists, once that is done, repeal laws that are a direct result of lobbying and we will see if we still need a new government.

reply to post by Skewed


Well, Im going to take a slightly different approach to the same idea that there is something wrong with the corporate business model.

It was elaborated on in a movie called "The Corporation" and its so worth watching if you ever get the chance. You may have already seen it.



Bottom line, they are legal entities with no morals, an absolute dictate to make and increase profit for their stock holders, the stockholders are not legally or personally financially responsible for any of their crimes or actions, they can grow to any size, and they are immortal.

When you realize that a "free market" is supposed to act like nature, in which many individuals are in competition, and the "invisible hand" is like natural selection, it quickly becomes clear that no human can compete with them. And last February, we gave these organizations the right to spend as much money as they want on election advertising.

So, you have, in essence, immortal sociopaths with unlimited powers and size, able to buy politicians. Im hoping that alone is enough to show you what is wrong with that business model?

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


I agree.
So how would we go about getting into the pockets of the share holders and board of directors. Or bringing them front and center? After all, they do offer services that we just cannot live without.

reply to post by Skewed


You can still have the goods and services if you were, say, to out law the corporate form.

The free market was designed to work properly when you had many small competitors, it creates efficiency in the market which tends to keep prices low. When you have big monsters in the market, instead of the the market dictating to them, they have the power to control the market, and it tends to have all kinds of effects, including allowing them to set prices as high as they want.

So, out lawing the form, and not allowing ANY business form to allow a total escape clause in terms of liability to the owners, would make businesses more ethical, more responsible, and it would actually help the market bring you your goods and services more efficiently.

There are some cases where bigger is better, because of economies of scale, but you can work that out without the corporate form.

here is another ? to ponder

every city has been INCORPORATED

so

do we need to deal with this through corporate law

or civil law

corporate law seems to be the way to do this

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Not in a Representative Republic...

Our Constitution does not allow for a tyranny of and by the majority. One does not need over all approval, one needs only to operate constitutionally.

At some point everyone has to ask themselves where in the sand they will draw the line. Some will never draw it and potentially no one will, that does not excuse someone from compromising their principles.

edit on 16-5-2011 by AdAbsurdum because: (no reason given)

We do not live in a Representative Republic we live in an oligarchy masquerading as a socialist democracy and all due to the majority of the people going along with it. Unfortunately the Constitution is just a piece of paper that doesn't mean a thing if the people do not live up to its principles. As I said the majority rules whether by action or inaction like it or not!