ATS The Time Is NOW! STOP THE FEAR!!

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

How do we negate the effects of our inevitable desires that produce karmic consequence?

We put our animal nature on the back-seat, and let our Inner Mind** take the wheel.

**NB - I dislike the phrase 'Higher Mind' because it has been abused so much by charlatans in recent decades, damaging our spiritual progress much in the same way that the force-fed 'Free Love' phenomena of the 60's pretty much knackered our chances as a race of progressing in the way of true sexual maturity.

FlyInTheOintment

Wanted to add this. To everyone: If you have not already gathered as much from my posts I would just like to say that we are all going to get there. There are wonderful things coming our way. Count on it. But before we can get to the wonderful things I am afraid that first we are all going to have to go through something that I can really only describe as a 'John Bradshaw on the Family' seminar on cosmic steroids. So things are probably going to be a little uncomfortable at first. There is an old Chinese saying; 'To taste the sweet one must first eat bitter'.

Thank you, FlyInTheOintment. I sure like your posts.

More from me because I am a silly man (A Fool of course).

Those who neglect the opportunity on Earth to progress from their imprisoned and negative ('fallen') condition, to a more enlightened and balanced/ resonant existance, will inhabit the realms where light cannot be seen, where the eyes are turned to focus on something else, which is rarely of importance, but which to that person has become the Object of their Will and their Reason for Existence..

Nurturing the pointless endeavors that they strived at during Earthly life, such may spend a long time groping around in the ephemeral darkness, before being drawn back by Universal Compassion for another chance upon the Earth. Perhaps there are many other Lower Worlds, or 'Prison Planets' - varying levels of spiritual intensity maybe, and as the ascension progresses, an exponentially greater set of spiritual, magical, technological, communal and political freedoms will develop.

FlyInTheOintment

I would like to add that, indeed, this realm described by Fly is also described by many who have had NDEs.
I would also like to add that I have not read one NDE (yet) where anyone was trapped there permanently. From what I gather there are beings there that have dedicated themselves to retrieving souls that are lost there. Some who have been there and returned say they could see the poor souls there suffering but said they could also see that there were all these points of pure light there hanging around as if to help. Standing by for a standby as they say in the Military.

And for that matter, I would also like to address those that attempt to communicate and deal with 'extra-corporeal' entities of all stripes; isn't your Holy Guardian Angel enough? We have all been given personal 'Daemons' (your 'Nous' or 'personal genius' sometimes called 'genii') that are just dying to help out. Why would anyone want to look elsewhere?

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Its good to see another lightworker here

reply to post by Frater210

And for that matter, I would also like to address those that attempt to communicate and deal with 'extra-corporeal' entities of all stripes; isn't your Holy Guardian Angel enough? We have all been given personal 'Daemons' (your 'Nous' or 'personal genius' sometimes called 'genii') that are just dying to help out. Why would anyone want to look elsewhere?

The only one I know and trust!

The rest I do not know.

I think this is what exactly the Kabylion post in the OP is saying.

Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living,

reply to post by jessicascorpio1027
Thanks for reading.

Appreciated.

Originally posted by Frater210
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

 

And for that matter, I would also like to address those that attempt to communicate and deal with 'extra-corporeal' entities of all stripes; isn't your Holy Guardian Angel enough? We have all been given personal 'Daemons' (your 'Nous' or 'personal genius' sometimes called 'genii') that are just dying to help out. Why would anyone want to look elsewhere?

edit on 23-5-2011 by Frater210 because: Loose this morning...

Why would anyone want to look elsewhere? What a great question. Glad you asked.

There are many schools of thought on this but let me try to discuss within the same constructs we are trying to stick to within the group to understand that which is.

First off the Guardian, the personal Daemon, or whatever it is; is either an extension of you being a portion of your higher self to guide you, or it is some kind of appointed entity charged with feeding your goldfish while you're away.

Either way this entity may or may not be limitless in it's knowledge and ability. If it is without limits it is by extension God and is all that is so nothing you can work with is not it. Problem solved the whole question would then be meaningless.

If it has a limit in it's perception or ability why would you not want to experience other entities? Why would you limit your experiences? For safety? It isn't in my nature to sacrifice experience for safety. Always good to be cautious, perceptive, and intelligent, but to sacrifice an experience completely for safety is the epitome of fear and the OLD ways in my opinion.

Is pert of this about grabbing onto the old Hermetic and other beliefs and constructs or is it about taking those constructs and expanding and growing from them?

In my opinion if the old ways had the answer the would would have already changed. It is obvious to my mind they have lacked many important elements and were held back by their fears.

It is the job of the modern thinker, the Noonaut I would dare to say, to take the old knowings and grow them. To take what was and expand it into something new. If the goal here is to reclaim an old construct and not break down the barriers they instituted then we will die. More true than any prey running from a predator is the truth that that which does not grow will die.

This is why some us go elsewhere.

reply to post by Jinglelord

If it has a limit in it's perception or ability why would you not want to experience other entities? Why would you limit your experiences? For safety? It isn't in my nature to sacrifice experience for safety. Always good to be cautious, perceptive, and intelligent, but to sacrifice an experience completely for safety is the epitome of fear and the OLD ways in my opinion.

This is precisely why I started seeking. I was convinced that there was more, beyond what I could see and readily experience; something everlasting, without memorable beginning or knowable end.

Is pert of this about grabbing onto the old Hermetic and other beliefs and constructs or is it about taking those constructs and expanding and growing from them?

In my opinion if the old ways had the answer the would would have already changed. It is obvious to my mind they have lacked many important elements and were held back by their fears.

It is the job of the modern thinker, the Noonaut I would dare to say, to take the old knowings and grow them. To take what was and expand it into something new. If the goal here is to reclaim an old construct and not break down the barriers they instituted then we will die. More true than any prey running from a predator is the truth that that which does not grow will die.

Excellent points. Hear, hear. But tread carefully! There are real Noonautical travelers out there, who live by the ideas we are sharing. They spend their dreamlife, and much of waking reality - traversing the Noosphere of Humanity in some fashion or other. As on Earth, souls are known by the fruit of their energetic atmosphere and actions in that sphere, but in a deeper and more true sense than we can perceive of the same souls as they walk around upon the Earth.

It is crucial to bear in mind that the uninitiated, or those of an unprepared mind sometimes struggle to cope with the experiences of that realm. I am not qualified to give advice on the practicalities or gravity of the dangers, other than to say I have travelled a strange road on my Noetic path, and have experienced some worrying signs of what may lie beneath.

The astral matter as experienced in regular vivid (and/or lucid) dreaming is responsive to our Auric condition, our intention, actions and emotions, in a much more immediate way than matter in this waking universe. As such it could be seen as a flexible and relatively safe 'playpen' where we can test the strength and character of our will, intuit our soul progress etc.



Be wise as serpents, but innocent as lambs.

Just wanted to add an interesting and perhaps relevant note: My phone suddenly began to experience the symptoms of a catastrophic system destruction straight after I posted the following thread:


At the End of the Age - as we walk through the valley of the Shadow of Death...

I wasn't looking to promote the thread as it's quite a personal statement - an open letter to the PTB from yours truly.



Anyway - shortly after the thread went live, my phone dropped into permanent limbo (that 'busy' flash animation which normally comes on as the phone is powering down). None of the buttons work. Charging it doesn't work.

I could be forgiven for suspecting that this goldfish has had his phone remotely hacked and disabled.

Is there a precedent for such interfering actions in modern times? Would someone who is contributing to a thread in this manner perhaps be in line for such targeting?

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

So back in the day of dial up modems when dinosaurs and 386 Intel processors roamed the net gettin your connection booted was a common occurrence.

In those days I was on a real anti-Christian kick. I hated the the cross waving Jesus loving hypocritical oppressive *insert swear word*s more than anything. (I outgrew such foolishness as most of you may have noticed) Either way whenever I launched into diatribe targeting Jesus my connection always faltered. Every time without fail until I did a protection on the modem and then it stayed open and I could carry on.

Those were my young and stupid days but I believe there is some sort of precedence for technical equip[ment failing with certain subjects.

I think this is due 100% to some sort of energy your body or psychic self emits in times of a certain type of anger or intense thought.

On at least 4 different occasions I have had light bulbs burn out when getting into a really intense meditative vision journey, and once when doing a particularly intense ritual a light in the next room literally exploded (glass everywhere).

So yeah I think this is more than possible, but probably due more to you than anyone after you.

reply to post by Frater210


Why would anyone want to deal with them? Why would anyone want to deal with any inorganics?

Well, for power, for gaining the hypothetical edge in life and in death.
The people who developed the techniques were at first just curious, after centuries, or even thousands of years some delved deeper finding out in the process, that their existence was as inexplicable as ours, and that some types where here even before we walked the moonlit paths of planet earth.

I dare ask, Why are we here? Why do we exist?

The only logical answer in biological terms putting us in perspective with other living beings is outstandingly simple, we are here to breed, to laugh and cry, sh*t and die. Life is a "condition" a "law" like gravity or electromagnetism, consciousness the gift of life, it is a tool to survive, life would be "meaningless" if the organisms couldn't "interact" "adapt" and "survive" to the actions of the other collective and individual manifestations and willing efforts the force of life manifests.

We are aware, we know we know, and notice that we can feel, we are "magical" by nature, mysterious by design of the same Unknown, I cannot dare to judge its actions, of course they would appear "negative" when observed by human eyes, but there are other ways to perceive and interpret the inputs of CHAOS we seem to organize in our heads.

I mentioned earlier the "loosing the human form" while dealing with the Infinite, we as social creatures have learned and internalized a given set piece of "codes" that are now almost completely unrecognizable from "our basic primordial instincts" (anger, happiness, sorrow, joy,etc.)
Knowing and channeling our efforts can indeed help us to somehow "suppress our basic human limitations" and act as "pure beings of energy", armed with the knowledge that everything is after all an energetic manifestation of life, then human "moral set pieces" become inoperative, after all the same sunlight has shone upon massacres, orgies, beatifications, miracles and everything else imagined.

Now dont get me wrong I´m not condoning or praising it friend!
All I´m saying that the same "stuff" can take any shape, form, or alignment we desire, some"inorganics" are just conscious fields of energy, just like your "guardian angel", just like us!
Of course "out there" and "in here" the predator will chase the prey every time it gets an opportunity to get an "input" of energy, freebies are a delicacy, as there is no effort wasted, nor energy to increase ones power, one must always be prepared, and be capable of changing our fixations from prey to predators.

They do it, why shouldn't we?
After all we are as mysterious and share the same "operative sphere of influence" as they.
They overlap our world as we can overlap theirs, its a matter of willpower and personal strength, I will never under any circumstance ever wrestle a bear or a lion, on the other hand I will not hesitate to hunt deer, boars or snakes, as I have a slight chance of success, now, If I really wanted to hunt a lion, well, I would set a trap, by first studying and knowing every single aspect of my game and increasing my chances, always knowing that at any moment I could also be stalked and hunted, its all a game friend! with rules not set in stone, some winning conditions we can change if we will it!

Cheers!

reply to post by timewalker "The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws — such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws; the higher against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the higher forces against the lower — escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher. Transmutation, not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master." — The Kybalion




I may be old but I am still an avid fan of Star Trek. I guarantee you that the Klingons did not write this! Huh? What? The Kybalion? Well who the hell are they?

Never mind.

Its time to stop the fear!

more action less tears will be the chanting of the madmen, as they silently walk the secret paths of knowledge, nothing is a gift, all knowledge must be gained by fighting with ardor and giving it all we have got!

Believing in the end of the world is not stupid, its desperate!

reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet

Good one buddy!

Your gonna get hit by the people that only read titles and one line.

They need some schooling anyway.

reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet


Hey, Man...

Well, for power, for gaining the hypothetical edge in life and in death.

What kind of Power, exactly. I would like for you to please explain to all of the Noonauts exactly what kind of Power you are talking about here. I think that a lot of folks would just like to have the Power to balance their checkbooks, Love their mate and deal effectively with those that would sap thir energy. All that Power can be gotten from ourselves. So please do tell, what is this Power that is so wonderful.

Also as far as gaining an advantage in Life and Death. Do you mean like in a physical engagement? Because I, for instance would not, say, engage in bunch of occult practices to make my right cross more effective. I would just go to the boxing gym and work harder.

Or are you talking about preparing for the afterlife?

I dare ask, Why are we here? Why do we exist?

And I dare ask, who is the Master who makes the grass green.

We are aware, we know we know, and notice that we can feel, we are "magical" by nature, mysterious by design of the same Unknown, I cannot dare to judge its actions, of course they would appear "negative" when observed by human eyes, but there are other ways to perceive and interpret the inputs of CHAOS we seem to organize in our heads.

Huh?

I mentioned earlier the "loosing the human form" while dealing with the Infinite, we as social creatures have learned and internalized a given set piece of "codes" that are now almost completely unrecognizable from "our basic primordial instincts" (anger, happiness, sorrow, joy,etc.) Knowing and channeling our efforts can indeed help us to somehow "suppress our basic human limitations" and act as "pure beings of energy", armed with the knowledge that everything is after all an energetic manifestation of life, then human "moral set pieces" become inoperative, after all the same sunlight has shone upon massacres, orgies, beatifications, miracles and everything else imagined.

This is just a bunch of 'Don't look behind the curtain' mixed together with 'it's gonna be OK because you are a mighty being of light'. This is really the Hallmark of Newage (rhymes with Sewage) and The Secret and this is the reason I began parsing your posts in the first place. I just don't have the receptors in my nervous system for this garbage anymore. Sorry this unit is broken and cannot understand you.

Now dont get me wrong I´m not condoning or praising it friend! All I´m saying that the same "stuff" can take any shape, form, or alignment we desire, some"inorganics" are just conscious fields of energy, just like your "guardian angel", just like us! Of course "out there" and "in here" the predator will chase the prey every time it gets an opportunity to get an "input" of energy, freebies are a delicacy, as there is no effort wasted, nor energy to increase ones power, one must always be prepared, and be capable of changing our fixations from prey to predators.

People wishing to become full-fledged Human Beings do not need to engage in these types of Gymnastics. It is beneath us. We are in quarantine and must solve our problems on our own. Why would the jailors have any interest in helping us?

They do it, why shouldn't we?

I should not even answer this. But I will. Actually I won't. OK. Because we are not them. We are Human Beings. We are above them. You should know this unless you have been erroneously convinced of something else.

They overlap our world as we can overlap theirs

This is not our world. We have been imprisoned in these meat sacks and placed on this Prison farm. Not our world. We are not of this world.

its a matter of willpower and personal strength

Yep. You're right. It's all our fault.

If I really wanted to hunt a lion, well, I would set a trap, by first studying and knowing every single aspect of my game and increasing my chances, always knowing that at any moment I could also be stalked and hunted, its all a game friend! with rules not set in stone, some winning conditions we can change if we will it!

If you are using this for an occult analogy then this is the kind of nonsense that I am hoping to spare people from. Does anyone really want to spend their time engaged in this kind of madness?

Knowledge of the Eighth Sphere and it's actions is equivalent to popping the hood on the engine and shining an 100,000 candle power lamp in to the compartment. Now that we can see the whole contraption the little guys on the hamster wheels are pretty easy to spot. No need to go about as though you are being stalked.

Thanks for the whetstone.

And as my final Reinbeau hued insult for this afternoon I will leave you all with this...

Have you ever heard of Conservation in developmental psychology?

Well, it goes something like this...

I have my little friend here with me and he is only 6. I take 40 little plastic balls and I line twenty up in a straight line close to on another. The other 20 I spread all over the table, away from the line of balls. Now I ask my little buddy to tell me which group has more balls.

Well, because of where my young little friend is at in terms of development as a Human person (6) he is going to tell me that the spread out balls have more in the group. This is because people don't develop the ability (and logic) to know the difference until they are somewhere between 7 and 11 years old. This is what conservation is about.

Check it out here...
en.wikipedia.org...(psychology)

The reason I bring this up is because I think there may be some of us that think that a varietal smorgasbord equals freedom. It doesn't it is an illusion. And sometimes a dangerous one.

Your Mind (not your brain) is a decision making machine. You actually get a dopamine payoff for making decisions when confronted with choice. See how that can be dangerous? More is not better. Loss is Power. Embrace the paradox.

reply to post by Frater210


Back in the New Age hay day in the early 90s, when a new age shop was opening on every street corner and everyone who was anyone knew a fat woman who wore all black and called herself a Wiccan who would read your fortune for a small fee, there was this prevailing thought that there is no such thing as evil. That all spirits were inherently unable to hurt or otherwise effect you and everything you ran into was a "Spirit Guide".

This sun shine and lolly pop garbage didn't fly with me. But the converse also doesn't fly. I can't see how we are all prisoners in meat sacks being harvested for our emotions. This to me seems like part of the swing. I have read a lot of the different junk to account for either side. I see where you get the idea, but why do you believe this?

What really clinches it for you?

I also don't care for the continual repetition that we are the top, we are the main show. Maybe I missed something. But I can't see where we are any more than part of the show and what puts over an intelligence that isn't corporeal in this reality. What is your main reason for thinking this?

Originally posted by Frater210
reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet

Hey, Man...

Well, for power, for gaining the hypothetical edge in life and in death.

What kind of Power, exactly. I would like for you to please explain to all of the Noonauts exactly what kind of Power you are talking about here. I think that a lot of folks would just like to have the Power to balance their checkbooks, Love their mate and deal effectively with those that would sap thir energy. All that Power can be gotten from ourselves. So please do tell, what is this Power that is so wonderful.

Also as far as gaining an advantage in Life and Death. Do you mean like in a physical engagement? Because I, for instance would not, say, engage in bunch of occult practices to make my right cross more effective. I would just go to the boxing gym and work harder.

Again You are mistaken in my intentions, its makes me very happy to see that you are so affected by my "new age" nonsensical statements, where else but in ATS could we be having these conversations!
It fills me with joy to see that you have spent energy replying to my thoughts, to me it means that you are one of the rare few that are willing to discuss and express their beliefs in a time of shallow ignorance and sheep like attitudes.

Still, I sense you are not also against what I´m saying but also affected on an ontological level, meaning that you have been formed a certain way, that upholds the idea that inorganics in general are the greedy meanies, well, so are we, we are no different than they, nor are we less powerful, we share the same worlds, we are part of the same energies that created this Universe, they and us at the end of our conscious life will be assimilated into the WHOLE chaotic energies that fuel, expand and create while destroying everything in its path, sex and death, life and death it is all the same, quantum physics are unraveling the mysteries of energy, the bonds between atoms in the microverse are as far apart as stars in outer space, yet the illusion of solid, permanent matter remains.

We know nothing about anything. We are a mystery in itself, we are masters of nothing. Except our own personal power.
What is this power I speak of?
The power to take responsibility of our actions, the power to choose wisely between knowledge that frees instead of binding, the power to believe without believing, the power to see things for what they really are: Ideas in our heads, out there only energy exists, power to give us an idea that our human ideals and standards are only applicable to us, in our tiny microscopic reality tunnels.

We spend all of our energy upholding against others our belief systems, be cause we believe we "know"
I "know nothing except the things I have done and experienced, I hunt power to unite my two halves and to guide and focus my willpower into everything I do and experience. and even then I doubt my very ears, and question my own eyes, and in the end believe without believing.
I have nothing to loose because I´m already dead.
I fear nothing except my own inability to face the consequences of my actions, we can convince ourselves of anything and everything, as one of my masters said: What the thinker thinks, the prover proves:

William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady," Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah," she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see," said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor," said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way!"

Don't be too quick to laugh at this little old lady. All human minds work on fundamentally similar principles. Her universe was a little bit weirder than most but it was built up on the same mental principles as every other universe people have believed in.

As Dr. Leonard Orr has noted, the human mind behaves as if it were divided into two parts, the Thinker and the Prover. The Thinker can think about virtually anything. History shows that it can think the earth is suspended on the backs of infinite turtles or that the Earth is hollow, or that the Earth is floating in space, comparative religion and philosophy show that the Thinker can regard itself as mortal, as immortal, as both mortal and immortal (the reincarnation model) or even as non- existent (Buddhism). It can think itself into living in a Christian universe, a Marxist universe, a scientific-relativistic universe, or a Nazi universe—among many possibilities. As psychiatrists and psychologists have often observed (much to the chagrin of their medical colleagues), the Thinker can think itself sick, and can even think itself well again.


To take a notorious example from the 1960s, there was a point when three research groups had "proven" that '___' causes chromosome damage, while three other groups had "proven" that '___' has no effect on the chromosomes. In each case, the Prover had proved what the Thinker thought. Right now, there are, in physics, 7 experiments that confirm a very controversial concept known as Bell's Theorem, and two experiments that refute Bell's Theorem. In the area of extra-sensory perception, the results are uniform after more than a century: everybody who sets out to prove that ESP exists succeeds, and everybody who sets out to prove that ESP does not exist also succeeds. "Truth" or relative truth emerges only after decades of experiments by thousands of groups all over the world.

From Robert Anton Wilson's 'Prometheus Rising'
we are what we believe, beliefs dont mean much, its the actions that count!

Huh?

We are as mysterious and magical as the whole universe we are made from stardust and magic, we are, or better yet seem to be: glitterdust of the finest quality and nothing more, there is not much else to get.

This is just a bunch of 'Don't look behind the curtain' mixed together with 'it's gonna be OK because you are a mighty being of light'. This is really the Hallmark of Newage (rhymes with Sewage) and The Secret and this is the reason I began parsing your posts in the first place. I just don't have the receptors in my nervous system for this garbage anymore. Sorry this unit is broken and cannot understand you.

You actually do, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to "save others" from the garbage when it appears to me that no one can save anyone from anything, specially of the "garbage" as each one chooses in the end what to do. No saviors but ourselves, we can of course blame others for our own actions but to me its just plain silly.

People wishing to become full-fledged Human Beings do not need to engage in these types of Gymnastics. It is beneath us. We are in quarantine and must solve our problems on our own. Why would the jailors have any interest in helping us?

A quarantine this amazing life full of experience and amazement?
We are given these amazing bodies made of light, that are capable of so much, that have the capability to climb the tallest mountains, to break free of the atmosphere and explore beyond any human natural limits, we are not made for space and yet we try it and succeed, of course death awaits, but it waits everywhere, under my bed, on the headlights of the out of control car heading towards me, on the radiation from Japan...
What jailors, are those that are as bound and tied to the same energies as we are, we are all trying to survive and succeed by surviving , its the only object of life and consciousness, its logical in the simplest way, as above so below, bacterias, do it, humans do it, inorganics do it, why should it be any better?
Human standards only apply when dealing with human terms, not with what is out there, waiting.

We are inside prisons of thought with bars made of words, molded by ideas, and nothing more. We allow ourselves to imprison ourselves in whatever we like, its not them its us.

I should not even answer this. But I will. Actually I won't. OK. Because we are not them. We are Human Beings. We are above them. You should know this unless you have been erroneously convinced of something else.

Erroneously convinced of something else, what a bold statement, I think the inquisitors in days of yore said the same things, in the exact same manner you are saying it, of course I could be mistaken, as I dont know anything, as I am the Fool as well.
I love people that know the truth.

This is not our world. We have been imprisoned in these meat sacks and placed on this Prison farm. Not our world. We are not of this world.

This might not be your world friend, hopefully one day you can be amongst the ones of your kind, I on the other hand are from this earth, from this planet, my lifeforce is tied to the mountains and the rivers, this beautiful world is the greatest love I can ever have, I am here for her, and nothing else, to learn her mysteries and deal with every challenge I encounter while existing over and in this my beautiful Earth.
It is my will and choice to deal in whatever stuff I encounter in the world of MAN, as I am part of that same world, dealing with it without being devoured and seduced by its miseries my ultimate goal, to live each day as if there were no future my desire, to turn knowledge into power my predilection.

If you are using this for an occult analogy then this is the kind of nonsense that I am hoping to spare people from. Does anyone really want to spend their time engaged in this kind of madness?

Obviously not you we know, you told us already, again I repeat the ONES that do do it for power over their peers, and getting an "edge" over their "lives"
The ones that do it, others just needed verification, some of us are after all "scientific" in nature and not just retarded hicks seeking attention, telling others to play with fire irresponsibly, he who seeks find, yes there are lotsa people willing to spend time on everything and anything, either by choice or by imposition, we are willing to spend time killing each other in senseless wars and genocides, why not dealing with them? what is so different to anything we are willing to do? its all a matter of choice, If one does not know that playing with fire will cause some burns, then only direct experience will be able to clarify, again no one can spare anyone from anything, we have to live by our own choices.

Thanks for the whetstone.

No dont thank me, I haven't done anything but tell people to set fire to the flames!
But hey I already sold my soul to the "devil" a long time ago, My life is not mine anymore, I gave it to the Universe so that I may become one with it, so that my will be the rule, and my destiny only of my choosing, I fear not anything unless my own human stupidity that makes me think I know anything at all!
I have nothing to fear, as there is nothing I have that I haven't lost yet, I´m Empty because I´m Filled to the brim.
I only seek power to be FREE of this imaginary limits that contain me.
I´m not above or below anything, as to me all is the same. and will again in time be part of the SAME.


Cheers friend! no disrespect intended, we can only speak of the cards we have been dealt and the hads we have played.




to each its own, personally I enjoy the outer limits!
hey that was also a TV show....

Magical in nature, energetical by design!

reply to post by Frater210

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reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet

You are the man. Thanks for getting back...

We are given these amazing bodies made of light, that are capable of so much, that have the capability to climb the tallest mountains, to break free of the atmosphere and explore beyond any human natural limits, we are not made for space and yet we try it and succeed, of course death awaits, but it waits everywhere, under my bed, on the headlights of the out of control car heading towards me, on the radiation from Japan...

This always kind of cracks me up. I see from your statement that you realize that we are not made for these activities (extreme mountain climbing, Space exploration) yet we do them anyway.
But do you realize just how badly our bodies react to even just operations in Low Earth Orbit?
Astronauts experience a myriad of health issues when working in LEO. their fingernails fall off and their muscles atrophy. All of it can be Googled. It is pretty obvious to me that we do not belong up there for some reason. At least not under 'current' conditions. So, although I can appreciate our persistence I do not think we are really meant for space-faring at the moment. At least not in these meat-sheaths.
what do you think?

P.S. Your post is actually quite inspiring. We do try to do all that even though it often means death. We rock.

Also, I cannot even believe we are going about our business as though everything is cool while Japan spews killer radiation. When do you suppose the panic will begin?

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The panic sets in when the majority of Japanese civilians have been evacuated, and the Western sympathizers drop H-Bombs all over the damn thing to blast it seaward, consigned to join Atlantis in the murky depths..

Then someone stands up and mentions that blowing stuff to Kingdom Come doesn't always work.


Alaskan cod will never look the same again:

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I don't know what to think. I live on the Pacific coast and I have had this creeping feeling that maybe we should be concerned for weeks now. But no one I know even mentions it. I think people's compasses are broken.

Actually I do know what to think. I think I'll sit here and get irradiated.