Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'

I would tell anyone without a doubt in my mind or (spirit) there is a heaven and hell. The spirit is as real as we exist and all of physical matter really. God is as a force of nature, it is as it says,

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The thing that we do not understand is as it says to cleave unto rigthousness.

If you cleave to do evil that is what you become or are, everpresent perhaps?

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Everyone gets exactly what they deserve in the end. To those who do good and will contiune, its a assurity, a lively hope, which is all you can have to conquer this, or yourself.

Originally posted by inforeal
What does Hawking know? . . . He already is being punished with that disease]

Punished?

By whom and for what?

Originally posted by inforeal
What does Hawking know? . . . He better watch his mouth, the lord is going to put some more sport on his butt in the hearafter. He already is being punished with that disease, so he aught to behave and shut the hell up or he will get a bigger ass-whipping later!

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Originally posted by inforeal
What does Hawking know? . . . He better watch his mouth, the lord is going to put some more sport on his butt in the hearafter. He already is being punished with that disease, so he aught to behave and shut the hell up or he will get a bigger ass-whipping later!

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Um, who are you, God? Judge Not Lest Ye Be..?

Yahweh is indeed a cruel master, but he is not God. God would never be so human as to behave like Zeus.

It should be noted that Heaven can be a state of mind, or perhaps it exists on another frequency, or is a state of blissful consciousness - but I believe Mr. Hawking is making an assertion on Christian Hell and Heaven in general - they are promises, bribes and distractions/threats - that should be understood.

Originally posted by The Old American

I have tons of respect and even a bit of awe for him, but just because he, or Richard Dawkins, or Epicurus, or whatever else mortal being says, nobody knows until we die.

Well I'm not sure that's true either............If we do survive bodily death, I'm not sure whether you would know you've actually died......you may just know that you exist.....but no knowledge of your bodily death.

Originally posted by ZforZionism
On a serious note:

I'm still waiting for your scientific evidence that the soul cannot store memories...

Still waiting on you providing a quote on where I stated that.

Congrats on your star for that post btw, deception has its rewards, doesn't it

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The Lord sits at the right hand of the father for a reason. God is the master of all things, the unbelivable thing, and what all evil seeks to undermine, is that one man (literally) his son in the flesh, lived a blameless life to understand it fully. To fufill a purpose that we can only try to understand or couldnt.

Whenever I think of the potential for an after-life, I always think of Einstein's theory that energy is never created nor destroyed, it only changes form.

So given that the human brain and conscience is fired by electrical impulses, when we die those electrical impulses should not disappear, they should simply change form.

Here we are on the "earth plane". Not too hard for me to imagine other worlds and realms wherein love reigns supreme, and where sin and evil is no more - why not call it "heaven"..?

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It is like this, its like a force of nature. All things interact with each other in the same way a design, harmonic frequency, the forces of gravity is seen to God like love. How in the Bible is says God spoke it into existance.

The unfathomable part is understanding the reasoning for it all. You just cant.


For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

As far as I'm concerned, their is no after life, no soul, no God, Jesus, Mohammed, Boudah, Allah or any other God for that matter. We are a species no different than any other on this planet or even in the entire universe. Why should WE go the heaven or hell, when a whale dies, it dies, when a cat dies, it's dead and same for any other mammal. What sets the human apart from the others is that we are sentient, self aware...Well...dauphins are self aware and so are Orangutangs, does that make them sentient and lets them through the heaven's gates???

I do believe that our energy is not wasted though, when we die, we leave behind a body that can disintegrate and become one with the Earth, providing food and energy to plant life and microbiological life...The circle of life I guess.....

It also depends on where all the information is stored (in the scull only?) and whether one subscribes, as Hawking appears to do, to a materialist monist (matter alone is primary) termporal (arrow of time) reality, as opposed to a monistic idealism (consciousness is primary) fully informed in eternity.

"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249274834&sr=8-1

Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

an excerpt

If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.

If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.

Next, by Ervin Laszlo

Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-1

And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-6

Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.

In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".

Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:

[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."

an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything

Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."

Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.

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According to James Oroc's experiences (Tryptamine Palace), when the ego is dissolved in consciousness through the temporary formation of a type of neurological "Bose Einstein Condensate", there is no real dilineation or distinction between individual consciousness and God-consciousness or the universal "akashic field" (Lazslo) aka Zero Point Field.

Isn't Hawking the same guy who said that, after the expansion, during the "big crunch" that causation would reverse itself, with broken glasses flying together and jumping back up on tables, etc..

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Great piece. I'm a big fan of the Hawkster. S&F for you, Spacedonk.

This is what its all about.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

"Thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven."

Originally posted by Fox Molder
As far as I'm concerned, their is no after life, no soul, no God, Jesus, Mohammed, Boudah, Allah or any other God for that matter.

I think you'll find that Mohammed was real, and Buddah is believed to be a real person.......Jesus....well that's widely disputed.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
This is what its all about.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Why do bible thumpers always speak in "ye" and "thou". heh...I think they fancy themselves a 16th century pilgrim preacher or some such.

Message to internet prophets:
Ye ones whom thumpith thy bibles, Speak clearly ye, for thine words be full of wonkification. Tis but the lesson of the lord that thy sun shall keep revolving around the earth, making time progress forward as the will of thy lord, and ye shall observe linguistics practiced by both thy flock and heathen alike.

aka, speak in todays dialect..

Okay, here's a headling for you:
ATS Member: Divine Strake Doesn't Care He'll Be DEAD!

Of course, that's not to say engergy dies.

Lost me at 'britains...blah blah blah'

Stephen Hawkings is a dip# who can't even figure out his own theories and decide which side of the fence he stands on....wait....sits on. To soon? LOL

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The reason this is I belive is because hardcore "bible thumpers" are fundamentalist , which is for good reason, its what gives real preachers their saltiness to preach the word because they understand it. A man of God knows to fear God. If they truly are, and you will know who is.

You deviate from the word you decieve yourself which is why it says take anything from these words and so.

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and fromthe things which are written in this book.

Also the King James being written in Old English which is the closest translation to the Textus Receptus. It has the same effect as when you read Hebrew, you brain better understands in symbols and knowing interpretation.