Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'

Until we die we won't really know. My opinion is we go somewhere. Another dimension,another planet. I am not convinced this existance is all there is. Too many NDE's,astral projections,abductees who have accounts that suggest that death is just the beginning.

Sorry Stephen Hawking fans but in my opinion...the guy is an idiot! He knows no more than you or I. Every single day there is a new discovery.... One that rules out an old theory and brings in a new one. Just like evolution, knowledge is always changing and will forever change.

If your experiences in life have lead you to believe as I do then you may believe that was the first error, eating of the tree of knowledge or something like that may have happened as I believe in cause and effect since our very being is from cause.

People every day for as far back as history takes us have argued this fact (Heaven or Dust) and will continue to argue until God himself speaks to each individual and tells them. I hate to say it, even then some will still be as stubborn as they were before the experience.

For ME.....I watched my child slowly die for 5 years as he battled Leukemia. I grew up hearing about God and my parents were from a religious background. They always encouraged me to find my own way in regards to belief. After many years of witnessing deaths around me and then to witness my sons death I took a break from all of society and read every book I could get my hands on. I put the Bible down and told God I was seeking him for myself and to show me if he is real because I was saddened to think my baby or anyone else for that matter was no longer an entity. The "church" was not there for me. No religion was there for me....and I felt very alone in the world. Everything had changed!!! People went on laughing, the Sun continued to rise and I was ANGRY that anyone could die a slow death, much less a child...mine! I went on a long journey. 3DD was my band of choice as I could relate with their lyrics because I felt, "Away from the Sun". To me that meant...away from the light of love that I called, "God".

I began to read about light, darkness, love, clouds, Energy, Einstein, Hawkings, other scientists, biologists, cellular development, astrology, NDE's, and I even studied the Bible and its creation. I had a lot of questions I was seeking answers for. I read for 5 straight years from 5 - 10 books a week!
My Husband was constantly trying to get me out of the house.....to LIVE....but all I wanted was answers. SO I read and I read.....Each book confirmed the data in the last and so on. It was actually inspiring in itself. I felt as If God himself was talking to ME through each book. I felt at peace within my OWN experience!

I realized that WE ALL FIND OUR OWN WAY to peace within. We find this within our own self/soul. Then....when everything is said and done WE all die. Thats the fact! Where YOU go is a mystery. If you as an individual are ok with the fact you go nowhere and return to dust, then thats awesome for YOU as this theory of yours brought peace within! Do you not wonder though what if? Do you not wonder if when the times comes there is somewhere to go...to others that have passed before you? Do you have anything to lose by not believing in this fairy tale others have called Heaven? I for one do not KNOW if you will lose by not believing as I am still on the fence in regards to hell. Again, the feeling from my own reality and experiences says back to me there is not a hell....just darkness away from light. When I die I think there will be a release of all negative energy so I may see images and or feel them as well. Thats my conclusion for now but again, with more knowledge that too may change. If I have an experience of a hell or see demons and or feel them, then I will definitely change my mind. ;-)

I for one do not believe I have only five senses as I use at least one more. ha! I actually use intuition a lot. Its this feeling that tells me something. When we were on the way to the funeral home after Joshua passed away we saw about 30 deer in a field. When we saw them the stereo went staticky. We all laughed and cried saying it was him giving us a sign he was ok...he was with deer that he loved and admired so much! That night I was telling my brother over the internet what happened with the radio and deer and he went on explaining that inuition is the forgotten sense. As soon as I read the IM from him stating that the aswering machine came on and the phone had not rung. It was 2 am!!!! It was my own experience and experiences that have lead me to BELIEVE in an afterlife. Two things out of the ordinary happened according to my reality of perception. That feeling along with many other feelings of experiencing such tells me that there is a Singularity of Energy that has created everything within its own System.

We can argue all day who is right and wrong but at the end of the day when you take your last breath...it will be only YOU. You and your experiences that is....

One can say to the other...." I do not believe in a fairy tale God". The next minute he is posting on another thread about HAARP and ALIENS. hahahaha....I mean REALLY?

We all have feelings, although we cant see them. We feel love, yet cant prove its there. We all feel.....and that what we feel is our own! We are separated through our knowledge of understanding. We are not as one living and experiencing bliss as our own understanding of knowledge is so different from the other. We fight over these differences and will until the end of this journey.

I also realized that there are hundreds if not thousands that are confirmed dead each day that actually come back to life to tell a story. The story is almost the same. The dead experienced a light they describe as love, their bodies are no longer heavy, and they see their body outside of their existence.
Because we still do not know a lot about the brain we are left to ponder. Not only that but our collective knowledge of the brain and the Solar System is still a mystery to us as a whole. Each individual study comes up with their own theories and usually the theories of the new end up being old news and we have advanced to a new understanding.
Is the NDE nothing more than energy being released and one its done...NOTHING? I think not! I say I think not because if you look back in History you will also notice there was a man that could alter his brain through hypnosis and actually heal people, tell their future, and also described in detail the future of Nations. He spoke of Jesus, God, and was a Baptist. He was a giver of his time and health. He truly sought out to help his brother and sister. I admire his works on Earth, thats for sure and wish more men and women were like Edgar Cayce because he was a notable man within his own right. The Bible said something els to him, not what we are taught in church today...for sure. Portions of the Book Of Revelations to him described the inside energies of the body (chakras).

I think the proof will always lie in the eye of the beholder. Each one of our experiences is on a personal level. None of us hold the same experience and with that said, experiences changes us on a daily basis. The Atheist has only looked so far in my opinion. Once you dig deep enough you find more and more proof that there is indeed an afterlife and a "Singularity" some of us call God.

One more story... ;-)

When I was about 5 yrs old I remember the feeling of seperation from my mom. I wanted to talk with her on a level without words and I wanted to know her thoughts. I did not want to be sperate from her and that very feeling stayed with me for years, I wondered....WHY? Why did I long for that experience? When I read that others too had/have that feeling it then validated it was "ok" to feel that way. You see...I remembered where I come from and in a sense remember being excited about the adventure.

If you take everyones knowledge and experiences we will have some of the answers we seek as a human race and even then..there would still be fights because each experience is on a personal level. Until there is complete understanding within, we will all continue to wage wars over others beliefs.

One last thing to add here and I will stop and allow others to wage ware against my thoughts typed herein. ha!

Our Solar System (Earth included) seems to ME to depict a lawful system in the very short years I have had the pleasure to observe. This lawful system is indeed governed by a Singularity of Energy that lies within every single thing imaginable and created. Seeds have been planted throughout and the energy released from humans is actually mystical and magical. There is a cause and effect to each action. First there was a thought, then a Word, then an action. This action is still going on today.....the creation story has not ended, and now the question is which action will actually cause the effect of non existence for humans?
We will be the cause my friends! WE WILL cause our own demise in this world as we are FAR from all knowing. We will never get there with as much negative energy as we have today. Its not lawful for the cosmos to experience such. Until we as a whole come to a conclusion of love and let each live in their own experience of free will without hate, we will surely self annihilate.

I don't believe one iota of these "Statements" made by, or attributed to this man.

He hasn't spoken in decades.

He lives in a house on the Cambridge campus owned by the university.

His attendants are a group of students from the university.

It is plausible that his "thoughts ,beliefs and dissertations released to the public" are somebody elses or even a group of people.

Why any rational person would even believe any thing attributed to a person frozen in his body with NO way of personal communication except blinking that controls what is printed on a screen is beyond belief to me.

For all we may know ,he is only blinking," My ****s itch,would somebody please scratch them?"

It is amazing how gullible, common people are.

The fact that for thousands of years the living felt or witnessed events that suggested life after death. Which NO ONE living this same reality we live can explain. They can only express there opinion and LIFE alters our views and im sure his view on the subject matter has be greatly altered .

For instance having this terrorist problem associated with Muslims not only degrades that religion but it also takes away from ALL religions , altered alot of peoples views for the better or the worse. I firmly believe that we are of extraterrestrial matter , not in the way we look but how we are different from all living beings on this earth. We choose material self importance and so were living in what we sowed not us directly but those that were in position to lead and unite , manipulated and enslaved a species.

There;s more and more scientists coming out saying positive thinking and actually verbalizing thought your able to create that . That japan scientist forgot his name but not his request.asked for all the world to pray for the ocean that had radioactive waste emptied into to be healed and cleansed of the poison within it. Then there was the Russian scientist that expressed similar studies that focused around the very same idea.

If were no more then a creation by chance there wouldn't be any emotions there wouldnt be a desire for material things , we would be non expressive .we were given a gift along time ago but we have lost touch even Dr Stephen Hawking can;t deny that . Only a selected few due to secret societies and world dominance have true knowledge of this EXISTENCE we all are in. I would love to live in a tribe setting where we all gather around a massive fire listening to the wise elders , all living as one its horrible to think that the more Modernized we get the more detached we get from the real purpose of life.

If this is true how can "brain dead" people be revived and have memories? Wouldn't it just be blackness until the brain flickers back on?

I don't understand why everyone who's faced with a difficult question turns to god. God won't unburn your bacon if you leave it in the microwave for too long, so stop. You don't have to believe in his "opinion", because thats exactly what it is. And anyone who says there must be a creator, or there is no way that their is a creator, needs to chill out because your not ALL KNOWING.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by anumohi

 

I experienced this at the death of my sister. It was observed by 6 people, we were stunned at what we witnessed.

Stephen Hawking is a dying man. He has stated quite a lot in the last couple of years that folks should take with a grain of salt,

Actually, I wish his words were taken with profound society impacting acceptance...
I want to live in a society where people think they simply die...then they may take seriously the act of killing people. Its easy to kill people when you think your basically just helping them shed their skin.

Also longevity and personal happiness may take the forefront of our society...wanting to finally live in that eutopian world we are capable of creating but not seeming to focus on currently.

We might even have a couple extra buildings standing in NYC and less potholes in the middle east if the world thought like this.

While reading your post, I had the notion that this type of mindset might also cause the value of a life to plummet. It would allow for killing because now all we are is a biological body. We are no longer important, or have a purpose, etc. Im having a hard time putting this into words since I dont agree with it, but I believe it is a possiblility.

Instead of being a utopia, I could see situations where being purely biological removes a lot of motivation and drive for some. For others it makes it easier to kill humans, viewing them now as merely animals, nothing special, you know?

Yes, because Stephen Hawking said it, it must be true right?

Hawking has been beating this same drum for most of his life, there's nothing new or interesting about the interview linked in the OP. I'll give him credit for being consistent, but his arguments are hardly persuasive. He's one of those people who has no understanding at all of how people come to faith in the Lord. He thinks we're clinging to faith in some blind hope that there is something better after this life, that faith is a form of escapism. It's simply not true, most come to faith via the Lord making a significant change in our lives. To be completely honest the thought of dying and ceasing to exist is actually pretty comforting, I go through life in a constant state of exhaustion and permanent rest sounds pretty good, LOL! But the Bible is clear that this life isn't our only life and I think even most unbelievers have a sense that this is true. So I have faith that the life waiting for us will not be the same rat race that this one is, and thus I don't have belief in the Lord BECAUSE there's a life after this one, I believe IN SPITE OF there being a life after this one. I don't want another life after this one, but I don't have a choice in the matter.

Originally posted by iforget
I am already married to a huge control freak. I don't need to spend eternity under one. Give me oblivion. Faith is faith to each his own.

Your spouse may be a control freak, but God isn't. God left us rules to follow not for His benefit, but for ours. If you tell your kids not to do drugs, are you trying to control them? Of course not, you're trying to teach them good versus bad so that they will have a high quality life. You know that the chance is high that they will stray, so you teach them as best you can and hope that they have good judgment. If they don't, ultimately they are the ones harmed by their actions. It's the same with our relationship with God, He has given us the teachings, but it is up to us what to do with them and we are the ones who suffer harm for not following His teachings, not via His punishment but just because there are ramifications to sinful living.

After reading the majority of these posts, I wonder if you guys actually read the article, and if you did, actually comprehended it.

I take that most people of the world and on ATS have had a dream or dreams that have been or seemed so utterly real or have been perceived in the dream state ,(or astral wanderings),to be much more than a dream;Now the important point here is the mental awareness of this perception of the real dream state upon waking, that nano second when one is contemplating real or dream,that is the astral body re- entering its physical double;

As has been mentioned , how would one tell the difference if one was in an actual astral, non physical reality with its own laws ect or in that reality but astrally wondering from one mental state to the other; The answer is practicing subconscious mental techniques that enable the subconscious mind to differentiate between wanderings ,(astral sleep), to full controlled mental awarenesses on these astral planes;

There is a big possibility that most of humanity after they pass over will be in the "astral wandering" state and will continue in this "astral dream state" until something wakens them,that could be those that have already awakened or a "natural realization";The point here is you are so much more than some random cosmic accident or by a sheer cosmic chance;


Song lyrics from the band Killing Joke, the song ,"Chop,Chop", from their album ,"Revelations";

"AND THE BODY'S GO BY BARELY HALF AWAKE, WAITING FOR THINGS TO COME AGAIN, NICE THINGS TO COME, OH BUT THE FEW EVER NOTICE ANYTHING AT ALL"ITS SUCH A NICE ENVIRONMENT I AM IN I WONDER WHY I AM HERE AND THE BODIES GO BY BARELY HALF AWAKE "

link; www.lyricsmode.com...

Britain's most 'eminent' scientist says there is no heaven or life after death!

Well, I for one would be eager to see his scientific research and proof that shows that God doesn't exist and there is no heaven. He IS BRITAIN'S MOST EMINENT scientist so there is no way he would make such a claim without having scientific evidence and proof.

So let's see he scientific evidence and proof..what?....he doesn't HAVE any?....so how can he make such a claim...

Britain's most 'eminent' scientist I think not, Britain's most non-scientific opinionated trash? I THINK SO.

How can a scientific mind degenerate to such nonsense?

Ignore famous people who spout about things they know nothing about. We have heard their like before. They have nothing to say.

Here is the map of all levels of superphysical reality. Or rather, it is two maps - one provided by Kabbalah (Tree of Life), the mystical tradition within Judaism, and the other provided by the Tantric tradition within Hinduism (Sri Yantra). And you know what? These maps of "heaven" are EQUIVALENT. Just think about that for a moment. It has profound implications.
smphillips.8m.com...
Not only that, the SAME mathematical pattern is embodied in an analogous way in both the five Platonic solids and the disdyakis triacontahedron - a polyhedron that has been shown to be the polyhedral counterpart of the Tree of Life. Proof is provided here:
smphillips.8m.com...
There is no longer a need to philosophize or argue about the existence of the afterlife when its mathematical map has been given to the world in different but (miracle of miracles!) equivalent forms. No speculations, no arguments. Just hard, mathematical facts that atheists cannot dismiss.

From the Urantia book:

2. Death and Translation

(623.1) 55:2.1 Natural, physical death is not a mortal inevitability. The majority of advanced evolutionary beings, citizens on worlds existing in the final era of light and life, do not die; they are translated directly from the life in the flesh to the morontia existence.

(623.2) 55:2.2 This experience of translation from the material life to the morontia state — fusion of the immortal soul with the indwelling Adjuster — increases in frequency commensurate with the evolutionary progress of the planet. At first only a few mortals in each age attain translation levels of spiritual progress, but with the onset of the successive ages of the Teacher Sons, more and more Adjuster fusions occur before the termination of the lengthening lives of these progressing mortals; and by the time of the terminal mission of the Teacher Sons, approximately one quarter of these superb mortals are exempt from natural death.

(623.3) 55:2.3 Farther along in the era of light and life the midway creatures or their associates sense the approaching status of probable soul-Adjuster union and signify this to the destiny guardians, who in turn communicate these matters to the finaliter group under whose jurisdiction this mortal may be functioning; then there is issued the summons of the Planetary Sovereign for such a mortal to resign all planetary duties, bid farewell to the world of his origin, and repair to the inner temple of the Planetary Sovereign, there to await morontia transit, the translation flash, from the material domain of evolution to the morontia level of prespirit progression.

(623.4) 55:2.4 When the family, friends, and working group of such a fusion candidate have forgathered in the morontia temple, they are distributed around the central stage whereon the fusion candidates are resting, meantime freely conversing with their assembled friends. A circle of intervening celestial personalities is arranged to protect the material mortals from the action of the energies manifest at the instant of the “life flash” which delivers the ascension candidate from the bonds of material flesh, thereby doing for such an evolutionary mortal everything that natural death does for those who are thereby delivered from the flesh.

(623.5) 55:2.5 Many fusion candidates may be assembled in the spacious temple at the same time. And what a beautiful occasion when mortals thus forgather to witness the ascension of their loved ones in spiritual flames, and what a contrast to those earlier ages when mortals must commit their dead to the embrace of the terrestrial elements! The scenes of weeping and wailing characteristic of earlier epochs of human evolution are now replaced by ecstatic joy and the sublimest enthusiasm as these God-knowing mortals bid their loved ones a transient farewell as they are removed from their material associations by the spiritual fires of consuming grandeur and ascending glory. On worlds settled in light and life, “funerals” are occasions of supreme joy, profound satisfaction, and inexpressible hope.

(623.6) 55:2.6 The souls of these progressing mortals are increasingly filled with faith, hope, and assurance. The spirit permeating those gathered around the translation shrine resembles that of the joyful friends and relatives who might assemble at a graduating exercise for one of their group, or who might come together to witness the conferring of some great honor upon one of their number. And it would be decidedly helpful if less advanced mortals could only learn to view natural death with something of this same cheerfulness and lightheartedness.

(624.1) 55:2.7 Mortal observers can see nothing of their translated associates subsequent to the fusion flash. Such translated souls proceed by Adjuster transit direct to the resurrection hall of the appropriate morontia-training world. These transactions concerned with the translation of living human beings to the morontia world are supervised by an archangel who was assigned to such a world on the day when it was first settled in light and life.

(624.2) 55:2.8 By the time a world attains the fourth stage of light and life, more than half the mortals leave the planet by translation from among the living. Such diminishment of death continues on and on, but I know of no system whose inhabited worlds, even though long settled in life, are entirely free from natural death as the technique of escape from the bonds of flesh. And until such a high state of planetary evolution is uniformly attained, the morontia-training worlds of the local universe must continue in service as educational and cultural spheres for the evolving morontia progressors. The elimination of death is theoretically possible, but it has not yet occurred according to my observation. Perhaps such a status may be attained during the faraway stretches of the succeeding epochs of the seventh stage of settled planetary life.

(624.3) 55:2.9 The translated souls of the flowering ages of the settled spheres do not pass through the mansion worlds. Neither do they sojourn, as students, on the morontia worlds of the system or constellation. They do not pass through any of the earlier phases of morontia life. They are the only ascending mortals who so nearly escape the morontia transition from material existence to semispirit status. The initial experience of such Son-seized mortals in the ascension career is in the services of the progression worlds of the universe headquarters. And from these study worlds of Salvington they go back as teachers to the very worlds they passed by, subsequently going on inward to Paradise by the established route of mortal ascension.

(624.4) 55:2.10 Could you but visit a planet in an advanced stage of development, you would quickly grasp the reasons for providing for the differential reception of ascending mortals on the mansion and higher morontia worlds. You would readily understand that beings passing on from such highly evolved spheres are prepared to resume their Paradise ascent far in advance of the average mortal arriving from a disordered and backward world like Urantia.

(624.5) 55:2.11 No matter from what level of planetary attainment human beings may ascend to the morontia worlds, the seven mansion spheres afford them ample opportunity to gain in experience as teacher-students all of everything which they failed to pass through because of the advanced status of their native planets.

(624.6) 55:2.12 The universe is unfailing in the application of these equalizing techniques designed to insure that no ascender shall be deprived of aught which is essential to his ascension experience.

Originally posted by PapagiorgioCZ
Oh no, he did calculated it didn't he?
Don't be fooled with this speaking head. He hates his body, life and God.

From what I know about him, he has no hate for life or god (although he is not a fan of his current physical condition...who would be)
Actually, he states quite clearly he loves his life
he doesn't believe in a god, therefore he cannot hate a god...do you hate things you don't believe in?

So, what you essencially did was bear false witness.

tisk tisk

Angry Christians are angry.

For those of you saying that he has no scientific data to back up his statements, I believe he is reflecting on the amassed knowledge of our species and not one specific equation. I'm not here to argue with Christians though, it's boring and predictable.

Originally posted by IntegratedInstigator
While reading your post, I had the notion that this type of mindset might also cause the value of a life to plummet. It would allow for killing because now all we are is a biological body. We are no longer important, or have a purpose, etc. Im having a hard time putting this into words since I dont agree with it, but I believe it is a possiblility.

Instead of being a utopia, I could see situations where being purely biological removes a lot of motivation and drive for some. For others it makes it easier to kill humans, viewing them now as merely animals, nothing special, you know?

You could of course think that.
of course it flys in the face of facts considering Secular countrys have a lower crime rate than religious countrys.
So ya...you can think that secular countrys will turn to cannibalism, however, facts fly against the reasoning.

Even in prison systems, atheists are disproportunately absent in the prison system (0.21% of inmates are classified as atheist whereas atheists in america make up 8-16%).

So, on micro and macro scales, atheist/secular lifestyles = peaceful.

Atheism is for people whom know how to be a good person without having invisible boogiemen watching them. We don't require a deity to watch our every move in order to do what is right.

And clearly, in regards to crime, the ones that do tend to do their immoral things anyhow.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by PapagiorgioCZ
Oh no, he did calculated it didn't he?
Don't be fooled with this speaking head. He hates his body, life and God.

From what I know about him, he has no hate for life or god (although he is not a fan of his current physical condition...who would be)
Actually, he states quite clearly he loves his life
he doesn't believe in a god, therefore he cannot hate a god...do you hate things you don't believe in?

So, what you essencially did was bear false witness.

tisk tisk

Do you have any proof of that because you are talking like you are Stephen's mother.

Do you know him? have you spoken to him? has he shared his most intimate thoughts with you?

How can you therefore made such wild accusations?

Originally posted by ZforZionism
Britain's most 'eminent' scientist says there is no heaven or life after death!

Well, I for one would be eager to see his scientific research and proof that shows that God doesn't exist and there is no heaven. He IS BRITAIN'S MOST EMINENT scientist so there is no way he would make such a claim without having scientific evidence and proof.

So let's see he scientific evidence and proof..what?....he doesn't HAVE any?....so how can he make such a claim...

Britain's most 'eminent' scientist I think not, Britain's most non-scientific opinionated trash? I THINK SO.

How can a scientific mind degenerate to such nonsense?

It's not nonsense, he's just working with everything we know of. Let's break it down in a simple form, shall we:

The only reason why we are able to perceive anything, is due to our brain. The way you process time(past, present, and future), is due to your brain. Time is just a measurement of events - events which we record with our brain. The only way we have thoughts, a sense of self, or a personality in general, is due to your brain. All of your memories are stored and processed in your brain.

Now, once you die, your brain deteriorates, and all of your thoughts, memories, personality, EVERYTHING, is now gone. If you have no way to process memories, time, or thought, then how are you able to go to heaven or hell? Why would it matter what you did here on earth? If your brain is gone, and has no sense of anything you ever did, then how do you know where to go in an afterlife? All of those are recorded with your brain.

If you take the memory out of your computer, and crush it up and destroy it, your computer doesn't have that memory anymore. The same with your body. And if there is such a thing as a "soul", then it has no memory of what you did in your past, without your brain(memory).

I've always thought of the soul as some kind of spiritual battery that powers the mind and body I would love to know how Mr Hawkins explains the spark that is consciousness where does the energy that powers us go when we go tits up?