TSA targeting critics and complainers in a new campaign of retribution

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

There is no such thing as the right to fly.

Want to fly then you have to follow their rules. Don't want to follow their rules then drive your car.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by marg6043

 

Nobody forced you to go into the airports to be "molested".

If I knew that if I fly on an airplane I would have to be molested first, then I think I would stay away from the airports and drive.

There is, however, a right to travel.

If you are in Alaska or Hawaii, how are you going to get back to the mainland USA? Are there even passenger ships that make the trips from those places to the mainland? I know you could drive through Canada to get to Alaska, but then you would need a passport. You aren't supposed to need "papers" to travel WITHIN your own country. Traveling from the mainland to Alaska is WITHIN your own country. So yes, you do have a right to fly, in my opinion.

reply to post by svpwizard


I'm not sure that I would go that far....that he's a TSA apologist or employee...I can see his viewpoint to be honest, I just don't think he's seeing the broader picture is all.

While maybe his experience is limited to ACTUALLY being able to make a choice, this is not always the way it is. He is using the "well if its ONLY for a business meeting..." argument, meanwhile (for instance in Japanese culture), to solely rely on some form of digital communication is considered VERY disrespectful, and if you're attempting to close a high profile deal, the last thing you want to do is be disrespectful.

Anyway, given the right TSA employee and the right circumstances, I wouldn't mind being molested from time to time

reply to post by svpwizard


Show me where it says you have the right to fly.

When you show it to me then I would be more sympathetic towards those who cry molestation.

I explained my posistion toward the TSA very well a page or two back to marge.

reply to post by James1982


Having the right to travel does not mean you have the right to fly.

Not flying does not keep you from travelling. You can still go by land or sea. So don't fret, your travelling rights are still in place.

reply to post by marg6043


Good find! I don't fly anymore because I know I will not be able to take being sexually molested and/or naked-scanned with a happy face. I would not be able to shut up while I watched them molest a child or a grandmother. I am an American-American. I would feel like a traitor if I cooperated with this communist, police state nightmare. I am not going to put up with it and I know that if it continues, I will end up beaten/tortured and/or in a labor camp/prison sooner or later. As long as we keep on this path of ever increasing police state abuse, I know I will eventually be exposed to it and I know I will not fare well.

A few years ago, I almost got arrested in an airport for insisting on helping an old man put his shoes back on so he could get to his plane. He was crying. He could not reach his feet and the perverts would help him. When I got through security, I tried to go into his area and help him and was blocked by a goon. So I waited and then entered the forbidden space anyway, put the guy's shoes on his feet and packed up his walker with his stuff that was in a pile on the floor. He couldn't stop crying, he was so upset at the way he was treated. He should not have been traveling alone at his age but he did not expect to be abused like that. My husband about had a nervous breakdown. I did not let him come with me into the forbidden space in case I got arrested. I needed someone to bail me out.

These people need to be tried and punished for violating the constitutonal rights and dignity of Americans like they are doing. They think they are above the law and are our masters. And in Texas, soon they will find out they are not above the law. I can't wait to see the first TSA pervert arrested and frog marched out of the airport by Texas Rangers for child sexual abuse.

Originally posted by sara123123
I can't wait to see the first TSA pervert arrested and frog marched out of the airport by Texas Rangers for child sexual abuse.

Lady, I agree it's a great find, but you are ABSOLUTELY DELUSIONAL if you believe it's proper to equate the TSA agents with sexual predators and pedophiles, and deviants for simply doing their jobs.

Why don't you get off your high little horse there in Awkwardsville, and stop trying to push an agenda of getting anyone arrested that doesn't fit the mold of your utopian society.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by James1982

 

Having the right to travel does not mean you have the right to fly.

Not flying does not keep you from travelling. You can still go by land or sea. So don't fret, your travelling rights are still in place.

You cannot go by land to Alaska or Hawaii.

Can you go by sea to those places? Are there passenger ships that make that journey?

Your just nitpicking, it is NOT reasonable to expect someone to take an extremely long boat trip to/from Hawaii, even if they are available.

If this was a choice of the airlines, it would be a different story. But it's not. They are FORCED by the federal government to do this, it is not acceptable.

reply to post by James1982


If I thought I might be molested before I got on an airplane then I would get on a boat. I'm not nit picking I'm just stating a truth. You still have land and sea to travel on. You right to travel without being molested is safe.

You might be in trouble though if you suffer from sea and car sickness.

reply to post by Becoming


Well, I see it this way, you've got the ultra-security zealots. And then you've got the Ultra-freedom zealots. These 2 groups have been clashing since time immemorial, and that won't likely change.

What's needed are more fence-sitters to keep both parties in check. Like food, moderation is the key to it all.

Originally posted by Becoming

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Becoming

 

And that is why I do not fly at all, but those that have not choice are the ones been targeted here. Remember that all this security is reaping profit for some corporate pimp thanks to our whores in congress.

Who doesn't have a choice?

Whoever is forcing people onto airplanes needs to be reported. Kidnapping people over state lines is a huge felony.

Me.

I work as a navigation officer on cargo ships. I can join a vessel absolutely anywhere in the world. 3-4 months later I get off and have to fly home. I don't decide which country the vessel is in when my time is up. I don't decide which country my connections are in.

Now your silly point about no-one being forced to fly is over with. How does that make it right? Would you agree with this "security" creeping into all aspects of your everyday life?

Even before the TSA bodyscanner / patdown stuff came in the US was a nightmare to travel through. I have two passports full of immigration stamps from my travels with work, including some of the supposedly "worst" places in the world (Nigeria, Liberia, Venezuela, Brazil, Vietnam, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea) and the US is the only place I have ever felt fear in an airport. JFK is the only place in the world I have had a gun pointed in my face for trying to have a friendly bit of banter with a security guard.

Although, to address the original issue: I don't really see anything wrong there. That's behavioural profiling which is a fairly standard security technique. No conspiracy here.

reply to post by alphabetaone


Yea, but you won't get them to see things differantly. If enough people get fed up with TSA then stop flying, I garuntee the airlines will step up and fight for a differant security procedures then. But, like I said earlier, most people will just whine and cry and whine some more and then jump on the next flight to Disneyland.

I have no problem with TSA. I fly a lot and have never seen anything outrageous, not to say it doesn't happen. There are always those who mismanage their responsibilities. I do have a problem with people who say all TSA agents are like the ones they see in a few youtube clips.

They also do the same thing with cops, I rate it to them not liking anyone with any authority over them.

reply to post by cheesyleps


I'm sorry, but you go by sea to another country and then you have to fly back?

Hmm you got there by boat. Do they close down sea travel when you have to get back? Also, who forces you to get on a plane?

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

There is no such thing as the right to fly.

Want to fly then you have to follow their rules. Don't want to follow their rules then drive your car.

gaaawwwd!
I haven't flown since 911 by choice.I ride or drive.
HEY! REACHDOWN GRAB A PAIR (Big GUY(?)

Turn that "SHIIZZLE "AROUND!!

"Want to govern(?) follow the rules (constitution)"

Can't believe any American would be so blind as to throw in with with big sis...
I have100% more chance of being spied on; eavedropped on; have some feebi search my house under a self-written search warrant and molested by"my" govt. than any "terrorist" hurting me physically from some sandy turd wurld cave.They are goading us and legislating for bigger security apparatus.creating "terrorists"on purpose..Its part of the plan.to "fundamentally change America. That ( "I got nothin' to hide") yet everything to lose attitude is helping.

reply to post by sara123123
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You got it right when you said, the constitutional rights and dignity of the American people, because I don't see any Alqaida terrorist been punished here but law abiding citizens, everyday Americans.

And that is what I am trying to point out.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by cheesyleps

 

I'm sorry, but you go by sea to another country and then you have to fly back?

Hmm you got there by boat. Do they close down sea travel when you have to get back? Also, who forces you to get on a plane?

Nope. I fly out to the vessel, sail it all over the world for 3-4 months then fly home again generally. Standard practice in the industry. Unless you work on container ships, there are no set routes for the vessel. I work on oil tankers. I'm from the UK. I work for an American company (Chevron). The chances of any of their vessels coming to the UK are miniscule.

My last trip consisted of joining in Hawaii then travelling to Singapore, Vietnam, Australia, Papua New Guinea, Australia, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, LA.

My flights home were LA - NY / NY - London (then a train from London to home) the company pays for these. It cost them roughly $900 and took me approximately 24 hours.

Do you really think my company will pay for me to hire a car to drive all the way across the US, then board a cruise liner for a 7 day crossing back to the UK? Not to mention it will rather eat into my leave time and that travel from the US is fairly easy. How do you get back to the UK from Japan without flying? Flying for work is a fact of life for an awful lot of people in the modern world.

reply to post by cheesyleps


Ok so you answered my question. Nobody forces you to fly and you choose to do so twice per trip. So if you dislike it so much then its by your own choice.

So why are you griping about it.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by James1982

 

Having the right to travel does not mean you have the right to fly.

Not flying does not keep you from travelling. You can still go by land or sea. So don't fret, your travelling rights are still in place.

I guess you claim to not have seen the "TSA" viper" checkpoints assembling around greyhound bus terminals?Huh?This is no longer about muslims lighting their under wear on fire!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edited to ADD: "HOW FAR WILL YOU LET THEM GO??????????( malls and sporting events have been mentioned before)
Do you want an America where you have to answer questions face to face with a gun toting government employee before walking into a walmart?
well its coming...They haven't asked any of us for permission to do one lick of this.
How about quartering a federal trooper in your house overnight "for your safety"? Okay with that one?
Wake up! This is serious business. we went to "guns" 200 years ago partially because of the kings troops self written search warrants( the "stamp act").



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reply to post by alphabetaone


You will find out who is delusional when they are arrested in Texas for molesting passengers in the airports. The House just passed leglislation to define their pat downs as what it is. Sexual abuse. Strangers don't get to touch people's private parts as a condition to fly on airplanes. It will be fun to see them arrested in Texas.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

There is no such thing as the right to fly.

Want to fly then you have to follow their rules. Don't want to follow their rules then drive your car.

I have a right to not be molested. But since their rules include sexual molestation in order to fly, I will travel by car.

@2:24 She states the tsa agent touched her vagina four times

Not everything is black and white. You can't just say "don't like it, don't fly". World does not work that way. When you are traveling for a job, or when someone is paying for your expenses you don't have much of a choice. We have the right to not be touched where we don't want to be touched. Period. Don't want to hear me gripe and complain? Don't touch me. Then you'll not have to endure my complaints.