After Serving Two Tours in Iraq, Ex Marine is Killed in Own Home by SWAT Team

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Yeah, read the thread, there was 8ish more sources posted in here somewhere.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Links to news reports are all over the LewRockwell article.

reply to post by areyouserious2010


What you are failing to realize, is that holding a gun in your own home, does not mean the mercenaries, I mean SWAT can fire off damn near 100 shots.....

Maybe if the retards would have knocked on the door, and showed a warrant, things would be different. If I look out the window and see a bunch of people with ski masks and guns rushing my property, I would have a gun too.

reply to post by Schkeptick


In some of the articles, his wife states that he grabbed the rifle. I think it is safe to say he was armed.

See, you are judging based off of incomplete information. If this was an accident, then something needs to be done. If the search warrant uncovers he was part of the criminal conspiracy then they were justified in shooting him because he had a rifle when they executed the search warrant.

Our forefathers did not fight for independance so criminals could do as they please inside their country.

reply to post by HoldTheBeans


What Im tired of is everyone on this site so anti authority. So anti goverment. So anti rich. So anti everyone who might know more then them and have more power than them. Trust me, I dont know why they take is personaly. I should have listened to my father before jumping into this discussion. He always use to say, "cant argue with stupid"

reply to post by areyouserious2010


Your wife screams, tells you a bunch of guys with guns and masks are in the yard, you wouldn't grab a gun? Where do you live that you would assume a bunch of people with guns is cops first? On second thought, don't answer that, there might be some real bad guys scanning this thread.....

reply to post by ahmonrarh


Yeah it probably was a bit mean, but no one gives a crap until the injustice happens to them or their family.

I used to think the same exact way about the police and their conduct. That is until a cop rode my bumber for a mile with his brights on making me speed up. Then when he pulled me over, stuck a gun in my face, puts his hands all over me after I was handcuffed. Threw my in the back of the car cuffed for damn near two hours while him and a few others tore my car apart. A brown guy in a BMW, must have stole it or have a ton of drugs hidden is what they thought I guess.

After all that, they uncuff me, and instead of an apology, hand me a bunch of false tickets. That is a real wake up call.

What is interesting about this post is the emotions being portrayed. We don’t know all the Facts that lead up to this shooting. I for one don’t need to know the facts of this case to know and understand that we as a society in America are at a breaking point.

We no longer have the cohesive trust in each other or the trust in our law enforcement that we once had. Trust is earned.

Our system in America is morally bankrupt, the system wants the trust of its citizens but unfortunately due to bad moral investments this system can no longer afford our trust.

Our neighbors who have shuttered their windows and bared their doors to stay safe while watching their reality TV programs. These neighbors can no longer afford their neighbors trust since they choose not to invest in a neighborly relationship.

My glass maybe half empty and not half full. But I can tell you the “ullage” in my glass is of quality. Ill stick with a half empty glass of character instead of a glass half full of bull Sh!%

We will never know the full and true story of this case or any other cases such as this. We as a people just need to know that we are heading to a fight. So check your glass folks and march.

And for all the yahoos out their. I am a LEO with 23 yrs experience. I am trully worried for my brothers and for the communities that we serve. I am concerned for all of us

reply to post by dalan.


No his job is to enforce the laws.

Those laws are passed by the representatives elected by the people not the police. So, no you do not need the police to approve or give permission to use illegal drugs. You need the approval or permission of the people who elect their representatives to pass laws in their states.

If illegal drugs were legal tomorrow, the police would not still arrest people for possession of said drugs.

reply to post by kellynap43


NVM....
Self edit here.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Caji316

 

Is there an actual news story about this? This is the furthest thing from journalism...

azstarnet.com...

Supposed real news story

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by HoldTheBeans

 

What Im tired of is everyone on this site so anti authority. So anti goverment. So anti rich. So anti everyone who might know more then them and have more power than them. Trust me, I dont know why they take is personaly. I should have listened to my father before jumping into this discussion. He always use to say, "cant argue with stupid"

edit on 13-5-2011 by kellynap43 because: (no reason given)

It's not about "arguing with stupid". Its about how clearly you feel everything you say is right and everything anyone else says is wrong.

The government has given us every reason in the world to be "anti". If you want to go wave your American flag and think everything just just fine and dandy, well that's your prerogative. But just because YOU feel that way, doesn't mean everyone else has to.

In regards to this story, do you really think the truth will ever come out? What if in fact it was a mistake, and these SWAT guys killed this person by accident. The mere act of holding a rifle does NOT give police the right to shoot to kill. I don't know why people keep saying that it does. Do you know our Military works under ROE? Don't fire unless fired upon? Show me any law in any state that says a police officer has the right to fire off 77 rounds at one man simply because he is holding a weapon.

As someone else said, had they just knocked on the door and said "Police, Search Warrant" I bet this wouldn't have happened. But my guess is they stormed the door and thats when they spotted the guy with the rifle. And obviously unloaded. Not took the target out, they flat out unloaded their clips into that house.

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by dalan.

 

No his job is to enforce the laws.

Those laws are passed by the representatives elected by the people not the police. So, no you do not need the police to approve or give permission to use illegal drugs. You need the approval or permission of the people who elect their representatives to pass laws in their states.

If illegal drugs were legal tomorrow, the police would not still arrest people for possession of said drugs.

Right back to whipping negroes and the mythical omnipotence of almighty "policy."

They chose their jobs. They choose to enforce "policy."

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by dalan.

 

No his job is to enforce the laws.

Those laws are passed by the representatives elected by the people not the police. So, no you do not need the police to approve or give permission to use illegal drugs. You need the approval or permission of the people who elect their representatives to pass laws in their states.

If illegal drugs were legal tomorrow, the police would not still arrest people for possession of said drugs.

Really? Tell that to the people in California who legally grow marijuana under the states law, but are constantly raided by the DEA.

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by dalan.

 

No his job is to enforce the laws.

Those laws are passed by the representatives elected by the people not the police. So, no you do not need the police to approve or give permission to use illegal drugs. You need the approval or permission of the people who elect their representatives to pass laws in their states.

If illegal drugs were legal tomorrow, the police would not still arrest people for possession of said drugs.

I realize how laws come into being.

But becoming a Cop to "clean up the streets" and fight the war on drugs is retarded.

reply to post by dalan.


The citing of opinion from a BRITISH philosopher and former member of parliament hardly makes a law unconstitutional.

Although I agree that drug laws are "legislating morality," they are none the less laws of the land passed by the people of that land.

All of this before the true facts of what happened really emerge. You are jumping to conclusions. If he is exonerated, then yes it was a mistake and something needs to be done. If he is found to be a part of a conspiracy to break the law, then he should have surrendered and not been holding a weapon.

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by TV_Nation

 

No, dealing drugs gives the police probable cause to get a search warrant and search your house for illegal drugs.

When the police execute the search warrant and you are standing in the hallway with a rifle and do not drop it, that gives the police officers the right to shoot.

So let me get this straight. Now, not only are the Afghans growing the # but the US marines shown in the above video are actually HELPING them grow it because if they dont the Taliban will get angry. Did I get that right? So in a sense were in a war to help produce 'illegal' drugs and then ship them into the United States because obviously we cant destroy them and were not just going to hand them over to the Taliban right? So we help produce the drugs, ship them into the US and then when one of our citizens uses these very same drugs.... the police are aloud to bust down their door guns blazing and murder whoever they want?

Just making sure I understand what it is you're defending. Sir we have the highest prison population in the entire world and most of that percentage is due to this 'war on drugs' that as shown above are being shipped in by our own soldiers.

reply to post by areyouserious2010


You keep saying mistake.... Ooops my bad, 80 bullets in a domestic residence. Oops my mistake! Mistake....
If I were to make the same "mistake", I would have a few books thrown at me. But since it is supposedly the police SWAT that did it, they will get a medal.

reply to post by Mr. D


You would argue for lining people up agains a wall and shooting them?

You probably call the police "jack boots" or the "gestapo."

Well the very actions that you would take pleasure in seeing is exactly what the Nazi's did. So how is that for being a hypocrite?

reply to post by DerekJR321


Yea, your right. This is a horrible country with horrible oppurtunities. Awful pay, awful food, awful living conditions and education. Terrible terrible place to live. Gosh, when you put it that way, I want to move to China. Oh wait. I dont. I like it here. IF you disagree so much and feel this is such an awful place and so unfair, move. Canada isnt far away. I've been to Hong Kong. In case you didnt know, that is China. You think its bad here concerning individual freedoms, move there. You havent seen anything. This is the most tame country for individual freedoms, why do you think everyone wants to move here and jump borders illeagally. Please understand that your mom and dad dont have to explain themselves to you when you are four years old. Just like our goverment doesnt have to share and prove everything to you. Yes there needs to be checks and balances and justice. And trust me, we have that. ITS CALLED THE ACLU. I've worked for this goverment and have defended it. Trust me, some of the things I know, I wish I didnt.