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Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by TKDRL
earlier in the thread that guy said that you dont actually own any of the copyrighted material that you buy, you are simply licensed to view it.
perhaps he neglected to tell us that with that license, we can authorise whomever we choose to view it as well.
Originally posted by TKDRL
I am not a dumb consumer. I don't have money to waste on crap entertainment, so I don't.
I really don't care what you think about it.
A lot of us do not, so we pick and choose, and vote with out wallets.
Originally posted by banandar123
reply to post by jessejamesxx
Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree that theater prices are usually outrageous. That's not really the movie-maker's fault, though, unless they are tag-teaming with the theater owners (I wouldn't doubt it).
But either way, just because you think a rule is ridiculous doesn't mean you should break it anyway. I learned that the hard way when I "ran" a stop sign at the beginning of the year. I didn't really run it, I just didn't stop for a long enough period of time (I've lived here all my life and it's embedded in my subconscious that this stop sign doesn't require a full-on stop to properly survey the area before taking off), and I got pulled over and ended up paying 400$ in fines and BS.
The point is, just because you don't agree with a rule doesn't mean that it's ok to break it. You can break it, but don't get mad if you end up paying the price. Rules are rules, regardless of the circumstances.
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by region331
I say those "licences" are invalid, and people are stupid for allowing it to get away with it. The way it works, basically you are assumed to have signed into contract when you buy it. Problem is, do you see the contract on the box anywhere?
Originally posted by hhott
I see a problem with this. It's called DHCP.
Like many other people, I receive a dynamic IP when I connect to my ISP, and it is (usually) different every time. My ISP has a range of IP addresses that it can use, but any particular IP address could have been assigned to any number of users over the course of days or weeks .... The IP address I have today could be someone else's tomorrow, and since I am on satellite it might not even be anyone close to me.
In some respects this is annoying and noticeable (my online banking runs me through my security challenge questions almost every time I log in), but perhaps in this case it will be an advantage for some people. I can't imagine that the ISPs have a record of who was assigned which particular IP address at any given moment.
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
But do you agree that if they're able to persecute the general public like this, they should be forced to make some corrections to make pirating less appealing?
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
Let's say they wanted people to pirate, because the lawsuits would bring in more money than the box office (this is already happening, Nude Nuns with Guns is another B movie with a lawsuit) wouldn't they raise prices through the roof and make it impractical for the average poor person to watch it?
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
They're most likely the ones that uploaded it onto the torrent sites.
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Soloist
Are you obtuse?
I want to support people that put out great stuff, so they continue to put out great stuff... I want people that put out crap to go out of business, like every other company that puts out crap should
If you do crap work in construction, you get fired from the job. If you make crap food, people don't eat at your resteraunt...
Originally posted by uninspired
I personally don't download movies at all im never in that much of a hurry to watch a movie, I just wait for it to be out on netflix. Also at $1 a song why wouldn't you buy the song if you like it. I just don't see the point of "stealing" I use that loosely. I don't feel its stealing exactly but I also don't think its right.
Originally posted by alphabetaone
So the threat of incarceration and heavy fines ISN'T a correction to make pirating less appealing? What do you need, capital punishment before it makes it less appealing? And I'm sorry, if your best argument is because I didn't like the flick so I'm gonna get it for free....then you need more than a simple correction.
So what if they were? It is absolutely well within their rights to upload their own intellectual property to anywhere they like and STILL tell you to never touch it. And if you do, you have STILL broken the law....why is this so hard for you to understand?
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
What works the best, the carrot or the stick?
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
It could be seen as entrapment. They're not the local authorities, or the Feds, they shouldn't be able to set up sting operations. This sting operation could earn them 1 billion dollars, for a movie that was garbage and 95% of the people that 'stole' it, wouldn't have paid to see it in the first place.
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
Let's set precedence for corporations to take us to court for anything, where local or state law doesn't matter, and have them give us astronomical fines that don't fit the crime.
Originally posted by jessejamesxx
Stealing is wrong, I agree. So is leaving your Mercedes running and letting someone steal it so you can chase them down and take them for all they're worth (or cash in on insurance money) Only the police are allowed to do that. Ever seen "Bait Car"?
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by edog11
The flip side to the coin though is how the appeals will go for the IP ruling. If that goes through the FEderal appeals and is overturned, the lawsuit against the 23k will go forward.
Definitely a roll of the dice...
Out of curiosity, who thinks the people who donwload illegally should get a pass and why? I have seen people on here argue that sharing software / music / movies / etc should be outside the law. Just curious where peoples mindset comes in that its ok to steal.
Originally posted by NearPerfect
All I know is that the people who made this movie made 230 million dollars in pure profits (minus budget) for a film that was rated a 41% on rottentomatoes by professional movie critics.