Are You One of 23,000 Defendants in the US' Biggest Illegal Download Lawsuit?

Originally posted by PsykoOps
And therefore they are much more likely to pay for tickets/dvd's/legal copies.

As evidenced on this thread alone, many people do not seem to have a problem not paying. Nor do they have the intention of paying. Why would you since you already got it for free?

I know this isn't the case, so please spare us the Robin Hood BS.

It doesn't take a genious to figure it out and any non-biased study will show the same.

It doesn't take a "genious" to figure out that is you don't pay for something that you're supposed to be paying for then you're stealing. I didn't put hard work into all my projects so people could pay if they felt like it.

And stop with the thief word. That's idiotic.

No. I will not. Because that's what it is. If you steal from me, you are a thief.

Publisher is much better and more on topic. It's been shown over and over again that it's not stealing even if the copyright nazis use that word.

You use stuff I normally get paid for when people actually have the moral compass to buy it. But you don't pay. That's stealing. Period.

Downloading is the digital revolution.

Hollywood is a mind control programme - hence those that download are digital dissidents.

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by jonco6
I dont download movies and i think i might have read you in the wrong context but your telling me because someone gave me a free sony tv and i no longer felt the need to buy one that its my fault you dont get paid. O i hope people dont catch on to your way of thinking. Or even better the copyrighted dvd player i bought at pirate price of 5$ from the good will that is proffiting off of reselling someone elses copyrighted product that they did not pay for is that even legal

No, I'm saying if you download any movie, music or software I normally get royalties from for my hard work then you are stealing from me.

Period.

I dont think people just dl stuff and dont go out and suport it if its good ( and if they do than thats wrong)are you telling me that you are so bad at your work that if someone dl's it they wont like it then support it Or are you feeling that if thery dl it first and do like it their is no insentive to buy it ( cause if thats the case you are wrong if people like your work and want to be able to hear see or whatever it again they will suport it ) and if they dont that means its just not as good as you think it is sorry I have been their my self put out a cd gave out free samples had few supporters but in hinesite i can clearly see it was not because they all got free samples it was because i had little to know tallent and everyone was too nice to tell me . thats pritty much how it works period. and if these people bought your work did not like it and you did not personally give them their money back because the stores wont then you sir are a theif period. I dont dl any of that stuff because i hear it on the radio and if i like it ill buy it that simple but you cannot blame people who dl to see if its any good before they buy because if they dont and your work does suck they will never get their money back either way when they even give you the curtisie of at least giving you music or movie a chance you should be flattered i was that someone gave something me 30 minutes of their life that they will never get back just to not like my work . but i think these people have it right sounds like a good system so we dont end up with another godzilla movie etc... or a group like hanson... they are not trying to rip you off they jusst want the same protection from being riped off that you try to claim if anything you come off as a hippocrite. You know you have to pay me if you like it or not.

I think the issue with most of the people moaning about people downloading is that they are rich already and just want to get richer.

Any society where a musician can amass hundreds of millions of dollars whilst nurses, doctors, cops and soldiers are earning a pittance is immoral.

Therefore their whining is the whine of a vampire moaning that they cant get all the blood they want.

I dont see downloading as a crime, it is a means to make a political statement.

Most musicians earn most of their money from live shows anyway - so why are they moaning ?

And by the way, anyone who produces music just to get rich has no integrity anyway.

In fact as most rock stars / movie stars end up on drugs / alcohol due to them having too much money - people are doing them a favour when they download.

Any musician in it for the money doesnt desrve respect - just contempt.

If they have a message that they want people to hear - why moan when people hear it ?

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by scoobdude
Walmart also has vudu, amazon has their service as well. But now ISPs are trying to put a cap on so you will buy their On DEMAND services instead.

You make a great point here, I've been convinced of the same thing for awhile. But eventually it will backfire on them as they lose revenue.

Look at android apps. Alot are free and you pay to get rid of the adds.

Android apps can be made by one programmer in his/her spare time, or with a small team for very little money.
Modern movies cost millions to make, take years to produce, and support hundreds of people per project.

The free ad support model doesn't apply as it cannot work.

And what if you were not entertained by the movie?

Sorry? You cannot please everyone. That doesn't justify stealing.

Do you get your money back since that is what the movie was made to do?

If you are in the theater and don't watch the entire movie, many will give you a refund, or let you see another movie. If you purchase it on DVD, you can always sell it, or trade it as is your right.

I am sorry but i can not endorse the supporting of crappy entertainment.

But stealing somehow is ok?

Stealing was not my argument... but rather fair market value. As you forgot to quote the priceline part of my speech. But again, I only offered solutions and pointed people to ways to help fix this. Is stealing ok...depends on what. If i stole bread to feed my kids... you bet ya. But again you miss my point. Everything else i buy i can return. Lets also not forget I can grab this music straight off the radio and put in right on cassette (yep the technology has been around for over 30 years!!!!). And lets say i listen to a whole album and only like 2 songs... do i get to return the other 8 or so? I feel the time i wasted on them was enough and should not have to pay money for something i dislike. So IF you can move past the idea of stealing (is reading a book from the library stealing, or checking out a movie or album from there stealing) and think of it more as information... then you will open your eyes to a whole new world of it.

So go ahead and cherry pick from post and do as you will...

They will never ever make something of this case. There is no way that somebody with half a brain could think that an ip adress can be connected to a single person. You could spoof anyone of does ip's.

Maybe they should invest al the money thats gone into this case into actually making a good movie.
Not that generic, re-hashed crap we see 100's times every year, like "The Expandables".

Not to worried about this. For every torrent site they kill 10 new ones will pop up. Besides usenet is still around and that will never fail.

OnlyLove

Why should poor people be deprived of culture and only the rich be able to have acess to culture.

If you are poor and download then I regard that as a way to be part of mainstream society as opposed to living in cultural and social poverty.

Also to add to this... TAKE DOWN PANDORA AND GROOVESHARK for letting me listen to all the music (alot of it mislabled) I want. Besides Pandora is a tracking tool anyway (human genome project HELLO!!). But I use them daily... so how does that fall into this "stealing" of music idea that everyone has.

Solo please understand we know you want to make a fortune... we all do! But that does not mean times are not changing and with changing times means morals and standards change. You can hold your ground for as long as you want... but after a while you maybe the only one standing there....

We live in a society based on cultural apartheid, where the poor are denied access to any form of cultural enrichment unless they have the money to buy acess to that culture.

Should disabled and unemployed people be denied access to culture as they are poor and unemployed ?

The fact the rich get richer from cultural apartheid whilst the poor are abandoned proves the iniquity of the present system.

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by jonco6
Ummm it is legal to clone a sandwitch recipie and i am alowed to make as many as i like and hand them out if i wish. their for i would not care less. Or no one would be able to make a flamebroiled burger on the grill in their own back yard. Or do you think burgerking should sue all who own a bbq grill that is capable of producing flame kissed delicous hambugers. now i am hungry thanks for bring food in to this.

So go make your own movies then. Clone whatever you like. Spoof it, people do that all the time.

Then you can pass it out for free all you want, it's your money. And then you have no excuse to steal from people like me.

1 i have never stolen from you and i dont apreatiate the insinuation.
2 that comment was clearly in referance to your nonseneical anallegy about the sandwitch shop or whatever it was ( saying that it was a very bad example of what you where trying to say )
3 yes people make horrable spoof movies then sell them then whine about not making a lot of revenue off of them and blame it on the internet not for one sec relizeing that it could be because they are talentless hacks and no one wants to watch their stink bomb besides children with no money
4 i am not making my own movie i am making my own hamburger ( i is hungry)
5 i agree people should not rip people off so i will ask you will you give back the money of the people who do not like your work if not i dont care if they do dl your stuff till you are out of a job
6 because just like everyone else if i put out crap at work i loose my job so should you
7 i am not trying to excuse thoes who dl your work and like it but dont buy it ( they would have to be dumb because if they did not buy it then you cant afford to make more good stuff but seeing how you are trying to call everyone a theif i would have to imagine that its not good )

Originally posted by leejohnbarnes
And by the way, anyone who produces music just to get rich has no integrity anyway.

In fact as most rock stars / movie stars end up on drugs / alcohol due to them having too much money - people are doing them a favour when they download.

Any musician in it for the money doesnt desrve respect - just contempt.

If they have a message that they want people to hear - why moan when people hear it ?

exactly

Originally posted by zDecoy
I did Ctrl+F for my IP

I'm safe

Not if you don't use a non-tracking search engine. And Google? Guess what gang the Bill of Rights applies to THE (Official) Government, not private corporations with which Chimera, the new MIC is. And Google is among the meanest, and been on the receiving end and since I'm dyeing why not tell all?

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I am not a dumb consumer. I don't have money to waste on crap entertainment, so I don't. I really don't care what you think about it. Maybe you have boatloads of money to throw out the window on movies that you will only watch once, then toss on a shelf to gather dust. A lot of us do not, so we pick and choose, and vote with out wallets. We support people that put out good products, and to hell with the rest, I hope they do go out of business. They deserve to if they put out crap.

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Agreed,
I watched lot's of movies when i was younger, now maybe 2 a year?
Now i rather read a book or watch a good documentry.
consume, consume, consume seems to be the mantra thats stuck in a lot of heads.

A load of people are saying that downloading stuff free is wrong because it's stealing and the opposite argument is that it's not actually stealing because the actual item is still safe. I believe it's stealing, but a different form. Either way, I don't think downloading illegally can be compared to swiping. I would call it "not fair." It's no fair to me if I had my item reproduced exactly and then all the consumers go for the free one and not to me. Though my name is still attached to the item downloaded, it's not actually mine anymore. And I neither get credit for it, nor paid.

I'll also have you know I'm guilty. I'm in another country. I am not the type of person who buys books or movies (normally), I rent them from the library or movie rentals. Occassionally I will buy those sort of things, but they will have finally made it to the $3 bin. There are no english/american movies or books even near me, nevermind libraries or movie rental places with english. So really, I just 'borrow' things like I would from the library and discard it afterwards. I'm still guilty though, and I must admit I really don't feel any guilt about it either. It's on the internet, therefore it's free. If it's there and downloadable, I'll take it, but you won't see me deliberately hacking or finding ways to get something for free (nor will I upload things). I sometimes buy this stuff later anyway.

I wonder if mc donalds will be involved with their new free wifi dew to ip tracking and all ?

do you think the celebs and the artist buy movies and music? or do they ALSO download it?

Originally posted by notonsamepage
do you think the celebs and the artist buy movies and music? or do they ALSO download it?

What's the point you are trying to make?
Celebs have money to burn i don't think they see the need to do it.

Originally posted by OnlyLove

Originally posted by notonsamepage
do you think the celebs and the artist buy movies and music? or do they ALSO download it?

What's the point you are trying to make?
Celebs have money to burn i don't think they see the need to do it.

actually quite a few dl. And have admitted so but they have the money to fight back so