Guns or Ammo?

reply to post by Arcade425


Pick your most reliable, low maintenance guns and buy ammo for them. I used to be big into this kind of thing but havent seen anything saying such a situation is going to happen, although it could. I currently have around 500 rounds for my AK, and in my opinion that isnt near enough.

reply to post by liejunkie01
when the SHTF that will be of no matter to you, you will get one. you will have no choice, rape gangs, thugs,mean drunks, drugged up killers all will have a field day for when the SHTF, just the fun of living in big city and knowing, the not best of society, it seems now matter where you go meth is there or some gang banger is. give me the hills or a farm but then that is going by the way side.

Ammo.

The likely hood of the gun breaking down is slim, and if it does...you are screwed because they dont break sitting there, they break when they are getting used

Ammo is how the GOV is going to clamp down on us. They will pry the guns from our dead cold hands but they are going to price and tax Ammo. I would look into a couple of firearms that are military issue rounds:

223/556 NATO
9mm/45ACP
12 gauge shotgun
308
50cal-BIG STUFF
7.62-the AK-47 round

Ammo can be found and it will be found on dead bodies if the SHTF

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


I feel there will be people who TRY to pull together. But there are more people who are no prepared than there are those who are. So I feel most groups that try to pull together post collapse, without any preparations, will fail.

I don't feel that people who have prepared will be willing to give all their preparations away to those who have not prepared, or join into a group of unprepared people.

Individuals prepared or not will not have a good chance. As you must sleep sometime and there will be people looking for resources no matter how remote.

It will be those groups who have prepared, individually, and as a group that will have the better chance.

reply to post by TraptInTheSystem
10000 is not enough, and then how do you carry it all? for you will have to have the ability to have one shot one kill and there is no such thing even the best of the best miss, let say you have your ak and your out hunting your hear call for help, you face 20- 30, m60's 308's bar 50's all can be brought up from down south, heavy armed thugs to do a person harm and let say you know this person what do you do, they have full auto you have off the self ak do you run or dig in and make it the best, put your friend out of there misery, or be like Rambo and put the fear of god in to them? yes some hard core stuff there but this is what it will be like.

Originally posted by TraptInTheSystem
reply to post by Arcade425

 

I currently have around 500 rounds for my AK, and in my opinion that isnt near enough.

No, I have several AKs with 150 round magazines, so 500 rounds would not go very far.

reply to post by Arcade425


One handgun, one rifle, lots of ammo.

There will always be compromises that have to be made so choose the weapons that will cover most of your needs, hunting/ personal protection in calibers that are widely available.

Taurus Raging Judge revolver accepts .45 colt .454 Casull and .410 shotshells.

AR based rifle 5.56 good range/velocity for most game, it's not like you'll be hunting stag it will definitely take out a hog.

Cosmic...

reply to post by bekod


You should be thinking about these situations now. Joel Skousen writes an excellent book called "The Secure Home" on building home survival shelters.

One of the most interesting ideas is that of gravel filled walls, to take the impact from several high power rounds without compromising the effectiveness of the wall. As the gravel stops the round, breaks into smaller pieces, and compacts into the wall.

www.joelskousen.com...

reply to post by armtx

and you can use it for trade just do not keep it all in one place, 30-06 is a good round as well 300win is an other for when the SHTF mil police and NATO well be the weapons laying around 357, 38, 44mag 20, 12, 22 long and short, 40sw 45acp are good to have as well

reply to post by zestor
well i do not plan on staying where i am at and where i am going is all ready set up for it, that is if A) it is still there and B) no one has found it it is in an other state.C) i can get to it to use it

A few reliable guns and tons of ammo is the way to go IMHO. With the countless numbers of quality review sites and forums, finding the right firearms for a SHTF scenario is easier then ever. A few suggestions would be....

-Glock 17 or Sig 228/229 - Both use the common 9mm round and are built for longevity, reliability, and performance. I will always stand by my Glock and my Glock will always stand by me

-Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 12 gauge - These are extremely high quality guns that provide a great budget alternative to other shotties on the market. The Mossberg, until recently, was the standard military issued shotgun. And has served our troops well for years. The Remington has been around forever and is a fine machine. I own both, Remington for Hunting, Mossy for Home defense.

- I do not own a .22lr at the moment but, I do agree with the importance of owning a quality .22lr. I have been researching my options in this category for sometime now, so many choices....

-Last but not least is firepower... The shotgun and handgun are both considered to be excellent real world, home and personal defense tools. If we really do experience a SHTF scenario, they will be useful but not your primary weapon. Don't waste a dime in this category. Most american made Semi-Auto Assault rifles are chambered for the common 5.56/.223 rounds and would provide a great all around assault rifle. Keep in mind if you want a high quality American made AR, you are going to be spending a pretty penny. There are more cost efficient alternatives on the market, based off modified Kalashnikov platforms. These guns shoot a powerful 7.76 round, which is less common but still widely available. Accuracy will be a trade off for durability since you can literally run these guns through a swamp and still rely on it to fire.

I understand people who believe this is overkill, and also understand that your life experiences have conditioned you to think that way. What happens when the world as you know it is crumbling around you? Panic!! Preparation will allow you to keep a solid head on your shoulders....

i am going with its better to have and no need it than to need it and not have it.

that said buy as much as you can afford guns and ammo both.

the reasons are many first one you dont know when or if you will ever to buy either one agian

another reason is trade and barter.

your not going to fight a war but theres no harm being prepared.

several thousands of rounds to couple hundred thousand.

buy what you can afford cause you will be better off than those who just simple wait for the police and fema

Originally posted by Arcade425
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

I'm a disabled Veteran. It's not about being American or excersing my 2nd Amandment rights. Truth is if it came down to it physically I would lose/die. I carry a concealed weapon for my own and my familys protection. Just remember if they outlaw guns, only outlaws will own guns. I know you weren't aiming at me, I just like to see how other people in the world feel about this "SHTF" scenario that is slowly unfolding.

In times of economic and/ or environmental crisis people tend to come together and help each other. Load up with hunting weapons and ammo if you must, not self-defense. If we fall under the control of a police state, your weapons will be stripped away or you will be killed trying to defend them, so I think you're wasting your time if you're trying to gear up for an internal war.

reply to post by SavedOne

If we fall under the control of a police state, your weapons will be stripped away or you will be killed trying to defend them, so I think you're wasting your time if you're trying to gear up for an internal war.

Remember, Fema and the police forces are made up of citizens themselves. Many people will want to take care of their own before others. The forces might not want to fire on average citizens. I think you are being to black and white in your approach. Just my opinion.

Remember one fellow with the right amount of preparation can cause some pretty serious "noise'.

One gun, spare of the same kind (as long as I can stow it someplace), and ammo to match the gun.
In addition, .22 caliber, nice and small, easy to carry, good for small game, easy to find, etc.

I would take the many guns......

Give me: 100,000 M1A's with a loaded magazine

100,000 Sig P226 with a loaded magazine

I would be set for awhile.

Rumor is that I have 13 long guns and 4 handguns and ammo to last for years.

It's just a rumor though..........

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff



Did you Brits have some crazy coot who went through town just shooting everyone not to long ago? Yeah, that's why we own guns. If every law abiding citizen is armed, guess what, less criminals to house and feed year in year out. 2 cents given.

reply to post by Arcade425


I don't normally reply to this kind of thread, but the OP is gun savvy enough that he will understand .."my reasoning" fpr the sit X guns I will carry...and I'm bored and feel like trying to make a decent gun post....

3 guns total I will carry....

1) Rifle: caliber .22 Hornet en.wikipedia.org...
Gun choice: www.gunsamerica.com...

Reason for this caliber, and case/round was simple, 1 lb of powder, to reload these shells is 7777 grains..
each reload uses 12 grains...I'm not doing the math, but 40 brass cases can use a full pound of powder, thats just over 600 loads, with a small hand tool kit costing less than $20 new, shop.ebay.com...
and primers www.natchezss.com...
each brass case has a life of at least 20 reloads...I have many that have exceeded 30...
as for bullets I will rob the lead out of the 22LR ..below if needed...this is my sniper, big game gun....
Not to be shot, unless absolutely needed!!!!

2) Pistol: caliber:: .22 Long Rifle
gun choice::: www.gunblast.com...

Reasons for the 22 pistol, ammo is by far the lighest, 10,000 rounds easy to carry to your cache...no reason to continually pack that much ammo....bull barrelled 22 target pistol...great for small game, low noise report..primary gun!!!
Primary 1st choice, if gun use is needed....most used gun!!!


3) Pistol: caliber::: 45 Long Colt

gun choice::::: www.ruger.thegunsource.com...


Reasons for 45 Long Colt, 12-18 brass cases , uses same powder as the hornet, will also accept custom shortened 410 shot gun shells, 5000 primers cost around $100 this will also be a panic last resort gun, big knock down power, and over long periods of time , if need be, and I run out of powder, I can use coal dust and salt peeter, as long as I have primers and brass and reload this gun...as a black powder cartridge gun...



So in short, 45 revolver on back of hip, 22 target pistol on right side, and 22 hornet rifle on sling over my shoulder, crown royal size pouch of powder, tools, and primers, and 22 shells in LBV/BOB....oh
I need to wake up...I'm day dreaming again.......sorry to spam all over your thread....just had a bit of energy to burn, maybe something I say will help someone.....PEACE




Heres a list of all the calibers one would need to study to check for interchangable calibers/cases and reloading abilities....
good link to book mark or save too!!!! herohog.com...

A couple good guns and a decent supply of ammo is all I feel I'd need. I've managed to accumulated more guns than I need or could use in a SHTF scenario, but that;s just because I enjoy fine and unique firearms, not because I'm prepping for war.
Most modern firearms are extremely relaible and durable. Firearms maunfacturers can't really afford to be making junk. Word spreads quickly in the firearms community and if someone is injured by a faulty gun or a particular model has issue's, it becomes known in a hurry. I'd not spend too much time worrying about my guns breaking down. I'll have a few spare recoil springs for my 1911, that's about it.
As for ammo, I handload pretty much all my ammo except .22,of course. I usually have several thousand primers on hand and a half dozen different powders. Not for prepping, just because I like working up different loads. I feel no need to have more than that, although I always like to have more powder and primers because it's a fair distance to the nearest retailer for me.
I don't anticipate ever needing to have thousands of rounds of ammo on hand to repel some sort of bloodthirsty horde. it's jsut not a likley scenario,so I'm not going to waste thousands of dollars that could be better spent elsewhere.
I believe in being prepared, and my firearms are part of that. However, I think they'll be somewhat down the list of what is truly important. If I'm hunting, I'm probably hunting big game. If I have 40 rounds loaded up for my .270, I can hunt for years without needing to reload more. A couple thousand rounds of .22 will probably be enough too. If a time comes where I'm out of ammo, I'm probably also out ofthings to shoot at. If I'm smart, I've got myself set up with gardens and livestock by that time.
If you live in a place where you feel you need 10 AK's and 10'000 rounds of ammo, I'd consider moving somewhere else! If worst comes to worst, I'll help my neighbours where I can,and they'll do the same.

reply to post by Springheel Jack


LOL Im Aussie and yes about 15 years ago we had a crazy guy go through port Arthur killing anyone he could find.

We average something like 20 gun deaths a year, in the US you average well over 10,000.

Do you not see the link between easily accesable guns and excessive gun deaths? no other western country has such lax gun laws and NO OTHER COUNTRY anywhere in the world comes close to you guys in the number of shootings.

But you and your family are safe coz you have a gun in the cupboard or down the back of your pants