Heres proof Global Warming ( Climate Change) is a FRAUD!

reply to post by network dude


Yes i realise man has a contribution to climate effects but its extremely minimal compared to the Natural Processes and various variables that relate to the Earths change in temperature.

The reason i have the thread title as an objective statement like
"Heres proof Global Warming ( Climate Change) is a FRAUD!"

Is because i need to grab peoples attention to the topic at hand yes i know Human contribute to the Change in climate but the effect is meager.

yes Pollution is a part of the Problem I agree. The type of Pollution like Nuclear Plants and Polluting the Ocean.

Originally posted by thinkingthing
reply to post by XRaDiiX

Personally, I suspect it's happening now. I mean, I'm noticing it. There's plenty of evidence to support that it could happen (and be noticeable) within a year if not a few months. I've already listed a couple of solid articles. At least, you must admit there is still plenty of scientific debate. That means it's quite early to say anything is absolute.

Here's an interesting article that goes over evidence that the trigger for the last ice age was a mega flood in North America that channelled fresh ice-melt water in to the Gulf of Mexico. I can't help but notice that there is a huge flood transpiring in the U.S. right now that could do just that.
Article

Yes this is what i agree with the next Ice Age will probably be triggered when the Ice Caps melt to a certain point. We will have to wait and see Very Interesting Article i recommend Everyone take a look
Ice Sheet Melt Identified as Trigger of 'Big Freeze'

Excessive C02 emissions are bad for our biosphere, whether they are responsible for "global warming" or not. Clean renewable energy would also be easier on the economy and our society. I don't know what the supposed benefit is to lie about this. I've heard that it could be to sell nuclear energy as being better for the environment, which is obviously a load of crap. Whatever it is, there is far more money and political clout on the side of oil and gas. Lies come from all sides. Whatever the case may be, nuclear energy and oil, gas, and burning coal are bad for us for so many other obvious reasons. Maybe the "global warming" debate is there to distract from that.

Yes Perhaps, but The Contribution of our C02 To the entire process of C02 emissions of the planet is actually less than 1% overall natural Earth Cycle Release of C02. I tend to think of it as a way for them to just impose Orwellian taxes on society and incur more debt and therefore slavery and less freedom to the public as a whole.

Global warming has indeed commenced, whatever the cause. I'm assuming that you are saying that the idea that it was man-made is fraudulent, and not the fact that it has happened. The warming has led to the melting if the ice caps. This has led to glacial isostatic adjustment. All of that water weight is causing some serious redistribution over the Earth's crust. It is also interfering with the currents. All of this interference can lead to a sudden ice age. Glacial Isostatic Adjustment is the best explanation I've seen for all of the major Earth changes we are now seeing. No, you don't have to believe in man-made "global warming" to believe it it.

Yes i agree Man-Made Global Warming(Climate Change) is a Fraud i should change the title To Man-mad Global Warming (Climate Change) is a fraud but its too late to change the title now. lol

And yes i believe that the melting of the Ice Caps will probably incur; or be the catalyst for the next Ice Age. I agree with you on this i have seen and read much information about this. Lets hope we can stop the next Ice Age. But for some reason i don't think humanity will be capable of stopping the Ice Age form occurring it just seems like a massive task and for that matter we aren't 100% what triggers it could be a multitude of factors and/or catalysts.

I'm a "Electric Universe" proponent. I believe that electrical currents flow between planetary bodies. I believe that planetary bodies exchange signals. If the sun knows the Earth is in distress, it will respond accordingly. It's response would be felt throughout the solar system. There are plenty of sources available to give credence to such a hypothesis, but I have no time and assume you would not be interested anyhow.

Hrm ...Perhaps. I do not know much about this theory you speak of; but i'm not ignorant enough to ignore it altogether i am open to many possibilities and theories you have.!

I don't really like to "argue" science. I like to discuss and learn. I lament that science is so political. If you come it to the discussion politically charged, you come in biased.

I realise this; i agree with you on this completely i don't think science should be politicized. Lets just talk Data and opinions and we shall come to our own discernments.

reply to post by XRaDiiX


Thanks for posting the graphs for me, it's nice to see "the big picture"...
No matter what one says or does, one can not change another's mind, all we can do is present information and demonstrate the point. I still believe it's a natural cycle the entire solar system is a part of... we may not even have the science yet to fully grasp the implications or the reasons.

Originally posted by SavedOne
Tim Magazine cover, April 1977:

HOW TO SURVIVE THE COMING ICE AGE

This is one rare instance in which I side with the conspiracy theorists, global warming/ climate change is a fabrication. Air pollution was horrendous during the Industrial Revolution, yet as of '77 scientists thought we were heading into another ice age. Now suddenly scientists claim we're raising the earth's average temperatures. It's bogus. That's not to say that we should just pollute with abandon, I'm completely behind cleaning up the environment and limiting pollutants as much as possible. Our pollution has severe local consequences (dirty water, unsightly garbage on the side of the road, nasty brown air hanging over our cities, etc.) But trying to say pollution is altering the global climate is just silly.

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Yes i agree we should be more worried about the consequences of Pollution Examples Nuclear, Polluting Oceans and Land

Than we should be worried about fraudulent purported Man-Made Global Warming (Climate Change)

We shall recycle and become more efficient as society perhaps and stop dumping the Earth with Toxics we must become efficient and stop using Nuclear Energy and dumping toxic waste into our waters and/or land.

reply to post by unityemissions


Have you heard of Climate Gate before? The Scientists tried to manipulate the Data to make it look like Global Warming was continuing when the Data showed a cooling trend. Just saying..

reply to post by Blarneystoner


Perhaps you forget to read the person who i replied to and how they said i was "wrong" without providing any information and Data.

Yes i am open to other peoples ideas and analysis on the Topic. I don't need people bashing me for going all out when a Al Gore fan comes to me and says its all "Wrong" Without providing any evidence.'

Just look at the site he linked no wonder i go all out on him. The site he linked is based of Fraud and Deceit by the MSM and The Global Warming Frauders.
Global Warming Fraud Skeptics.

This site is ridiculous.... look at the assertions it makes.
Read the 2nd assertion they make its absolutely Bogus.

I see it must be that time of the month for ATS to hold another global warming ignorance party, and rehash the same already debunked myths for another round of commendations.

Originally posted by filosophia
The question for al Gore is are you smarter than a 5th grader because that's the age when you learn plants take in carbon dioxide and breath out oxygen.

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
hahahah Nice I love this Jokes!!!!!

I guess Al Gore Forgot to mention this in his speech and little Global Warming movie; as well.

Here - fast forward straight to 13:30. hahah jokes lololol

Google Video Link

I really can't be bothered debunking any of the other myths AGAIN because what's the point, but I'm getting really sick of seeing this particularly idiotic one everywhere:

At 380 parts per million CO2 is a minor constituent of earth's atmosphere-- less than 4/100ths of 1% of all gases present.

Yeah, but of course 99% of the Earth's atmosphere does not contribute to the Greenhouse effect, so it's completely IRRELEVANT. CO2 makes up somewhere around 10-25% of the Greenhouse effect - which is what matters. This meme is just another stupid red herring designed to fill stupid people with stupid fantasies about how much smarter they think they are than all those "damn liberal elitist scientists".


Oh and as for the question of who's smarter than a 5th grader - been there done that:
Hey climate deniers - are you smarter than a 5th grader?

And the overwhelming response, apart from a few distinct exceptions, was a resounding NOPE. Here's the video that was featured in that OP, since the other one got taken down. I think this kid was actually in the 4th grade.


Oh and one more - in response to your "it's funny how 'they' changed it from global warming to climate change". Watch this video, and bring a towel so you can wipe the egg off your face after:




OK enjoy the rest of your party!

reply to post by mudbeed


What you say in the large part of your post isn't related to the man Man-made Global Warming (Climate Change) Fraud.

But Yes we realize Pollution is bad and we as humans need to try and reduce this but the two topics are totally different Pollution should be a factor in helping the environment but the basis of Global Warming (Climate Change) is that the C02 we are releasing into the atmosphere is causing significant change to the global temperature at a rapid and ever increasing pace when you look at the data throughout the thread you will see.

That the Data shows we were already in a warming trend called an Inter-Glacial Period. We may be entering another ice age within a few hundred to few thousand years. I think you need to wake up and stop listening to what the news Anchors feeding you. Do the research yourself.

ON this matter.

Also I want to mention climate gate. There was one idiot scientist that was found to fudge some facts. He was not the only scientist working on the project and was called out immediately by his peers. The other scientist involved in the study are NOT to be rediculed. Most reports that say global warming is a farce can be summed up as paid-by-oil company scientists and to be honest no one here should be trusting them.

Get your facts and sources straight. FFS use your own intuition and common sense.

Hrm so you listened to the MSM view on Climate Gate. I see theres your answer.... you said it yourself Nothing to see here move along. (Sarcastic)

See you're deceived believing to think oh the Horror Were Creating Global Warming; You think Man-Made Global Warming (Climate Change) is mostly caused by human behaviors?. Check again; Read the Thread. Please.

reply to post by mc_squared


Funny you forgot to mention this Fact which completely debunks your entire post of nonsensical Rhetoric.

Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective

Of the 186 billion tons of carbon from CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants.

CO2 is odorless, colorless, and tasteless. Plants absorb CO2 and emit oxygen as a waste product. Humans and animals breathe oxygen and emit CO2 as a waste product. Carbon dioxide is a nutrient, not a pollutant, and all life-- plants and animals alike-- benefit from more of it. All life on earth is carbon-based and CO2 is an essential ingredient. When plant-growers want to stimulate plant growth, they introduce more carbon dioxide.



O2 that goes into the atmosphere does not stay there but is continually recycled by terrestrial plant life and earth's oceans-- the great retirement home for most terrestrial carbon dioxide.

Perhaps you should examine these Graphs of the Vostok Ice Cores.

Temperature Change over last 800,000 Years.
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More Ice Less Ice Reversed to Compare to above Graph.
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The Earth has been in an Inter-Glacial Period for since 10,000-18,000 Years ago. The Industrial Revolution Didn't Start this warming and it certainly didn't change it much.

Of the 186 billion tons of carbon from CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants.

reply to post by XRaDiiX


*briefly jumps back in to put on a party hat and throw some streamers* wheeeeee!

Instead of trying to automatically one-up me, why don't you take some time to learn what the Carbon Cycle is so you can take your foot out of your mouth first.

*steals some chips and leaves*

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Tephra

 

If you can provide some data to counter the scientific consensus, I'd be glad to see it. I've combed over the data to the best of my ability (I'm not a climatologist after all) and have determined that the current consensus is more than valid.

Where's the data to show that things aren't changing beyond the range of previously noted natural variation?

looks like we aren't invited to the party ! oh well.....

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

"Man made climate change is a hoax" = unrestricted pollution from industry as emissions standards disappear overnight (SUV anyone?)

Option 1 yes this sounds like the best option since our effects on the Earth contribution of C02 is less than 1% of Earths natural Release of C02.

"Man made climate change is real, and it's all mans fault" = taxed to death, taxed to breath, taxed to drink, taxed to urinate, yet the pollution continues.

Option 2
Yes this is what the Global Warming (Climate Change) Sheeple want they want to be taxed to death so we have to pay to breathe.

We need to meet half way, say WE'RE the cause of all these problems is stupid, we don't even fully understand the earths inter connectivity. Saying we have no impact is equally as stupid.

Yes Humans do have an effect but its extremely minimal...

Of the 186 billion tons of carbon from CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants.

We need to control the 1 variable in our grasp, US.

The only thing that needs to be controlled at this point in our society is the pollution in areas of the Earth Examples Ocean garbage Dumping Nuclear plants and/or Land waste.

I think option 1 is the best We don't need totalitarian Orwellian Control of our society energy use when its based on fraudulent science by the Global Warming (Climate Change) Frauds.

reply to post by mc_squared


Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective

CO2 in our atmosphere has been increasing steadily for the last 18,000 years-- long before humans invented smokestacks ( Figure 1). Unless you count campfires and intestinal gas, man played no role in the pre-industrial increases.

As illustrated in this chart of Ice Core data from the Soviet Station Vostok in Antarctica, CO2 concentrations in earth's atmosphere move with temperature. Both temperatures and CO2 have been on the increase for 18,000 years. Interestingly, CO2 lags an average of about 800 years behind the temperature changes-- confirming that CO2 is not a primary driver of the temperature changes (9).

Incidentally, earth's temperature and CO2 levels today have reached levels similar to a previous interglacial cycle of 120,000 - 140,000 years ago. From beginning to end this cycle lasted about 20,000 years. This is known as the Eemian Interglacial Period and the earth returned to a full-fledged ice age immediately afterward.


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Perhaps you should examine these Graphs of the Vostok Ice Cores.

Temperature Change over last 800,000 Years.
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More Ice Less Ice Reversed to Compare to above Graph.
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Oh wait I'm what about Al-Gore bahh bahh bahh Sheeple.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by XRaDiiX

 

Global warming is real, and so is global cooling, and it occurs in natural cycles. Man made global warming is complete BS, but it sure makes for some great fear mongering. It also makes for a great way to convince ignorant people to give up their liberty.

Thank you i agree with you on this i wanted my Thread title to be Man-Made Global Warming (Climate Change) is a FRAUD

But i wanted to keep the title short and didn't think about it at the time i just was already implying this per se

Semantics...

reply to post by malcr


Perhaps if you want to see the information behind the graphs read the link i posted several times throughout the thread other than that. Stop Spouting Nonsensical Rhetoric and read this post it may help clarify your problems with the facts that Man-Man Global Warming (Climate Change) is in fact a small part of the Factors of the climate changing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Tephra
I'm afraid the temperature variation of the Earth has never been altered by man. Global warming is a gigantic joke, and it is just one example of the corruption of science due to public funding and agendas. It's not that all scientists are bad, and the vast majority of them were always against the global warming/climate change bandwagon, but the media twisted the reality to make it seem like they were.

They even created a whole panel called the IPCC, the international panel of corrupt clowns.

The Earth is going to continue on it's climate cycle, caring not for the fleas bouncing on it's back. Once again the world will return to it's glacial state(Ice Age.)

I'll just put it simply, there has never been a global warming crisis.

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Thank you for your contribution to the thread and one of the people who see Al Gore for the fool he is; That Man-Made Global Warming has such small effects on our climate that its almost irrelevant.

I guess many that come out and vehemently attack me just don't care to read the thread or link first. They come on here spouting Al- Gores Doctrine.

Thanks Peace.

[ex]Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity? It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not. This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn't factored into an analysis of Earth's greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (5). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

www.geocraft.com...

As for Global warming vs Climate Change - of course they switched the terms in common usage after they realised they couldnt hide the fact that the earth was actually cooling and not warming.

Citing instances of climate change being used before is disingenous at best.

As for Al Gore's contribution - he was the first one to realise the progressive political agenda could use a scare like Global Warming as a stalking horse to hide behind.

They could build a vast coalition of 'interested' parties to push this through.

China and Russia as a way to hamstring Western capaitalism.
Third world as money for free and a stick to beat the developedworldwith..
Greenies Eco-activists Anarchists etc as an anti-capitalist, anti-business weapon.
Marxists, and lefties of allstripes as a global wealth distribution excercise.
Scientists, Uni-depts as a stupendous gravy train of grants so long as any research proposed had a pro GW angle attached to it.
UN beaurocrats as a way to trump national agendas and generate a whole new tier of global regulatory mechanisms.
Assorted cronies charlatans and crooks to make billions in carbon trading schemes.

Global warming is a POLITICAL agenda! - most of the advocates for it don't give a damn wether the world is warming or cooling.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


Perhaps you should take a look at the graphs and evidence posted in the links in the first posts and many posts throughout the thread. We are actually in whats called an Inter- Glacial period at the moment and most likely will be entering an Ice-Age within the next 100(s) to thousand(s) of years Possibly even tens of thousand(s). We just don't know when its going to happen. Or if it will 100% yet.

The Earth right now is now is at the same average temperature it was 100,000 years ago approx. So whats your point? Man-Made Global Warming (Climate Change) Is a hoax thats the reality.
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The Ojibway, who settled in the great lakes region, and their relatives the algonquin tribes, claim to have come from the east in a few successive waves of migration
the tools match up at about 17,000 years with those in Europe
(clovis? I think)

From the map of the glacial landmasses it would have been a very easy hop..
and the timing looks similar

ha
Al Gore I hear has RECENTLY bought more sea side property
the carbon trading thing was designed by KEN LAY of ENRON fame
hahahahahaha
rising sea level

Originally posted by wcitizen
Can somebody please tell me why they are pedalling this story of manmade global warming, spreading fear about it, yet at the same time are vontinually heating the ionosphere with haarp and releasing intense heat into the earth with their underground nuclear tests?

Just another aspect of the insanity and deceit which is the leadership of our countries.

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Perhaps this is important but i do not know too much about Haarp so i cannot Expound on this subject perhaps someone else here knows what HAARP does and its effects on the Earth and its environment...