Heres proof Global Warming ( Climate Change) is a FRAUD!

People, people,

Global warming is indeed a tool of the left. that's not to say that humans on
some level don't affect the world we live in. But the claims that if us humans
don't change our ways we will kill the planet, are utter bunk from Keith Olberman's
waste orifice

whatever plans the globalists, TPTB, and whoever else have cooked up, one thing
remains the same: Its got to be funded somehow.

One plan
so if this per mile tax at the going federal gas tax rate of 18.4 cents per gallons was
translated to miles: rounding down, 18 cents at 40 miles ( round trip for me to and from work) is $7.20 for that day. $216 per month. Now factoring in the tax in gallons. spending $60 a week for a month is $240 a month. that $60 not only gets me to work, but to where ever else i go. now add additional miles with the original 40...

Also see Ecotax or Ecological taxation

tis a sham, and aside from apple products tracking you, so to would the government. not that they don't already

Originally posted by GonzoSinister
reply to post by Opspeculate

 

i dont fully beleve that though,
i have always found it strange that alot of heroin is able to escape afghanistan with all the troops the allied forces have there,

we may not legally tax for the drugs, but its quite well documented that the moving of drugs has been aided by western governments where they are making money (an almost illegal tax) to allow it to find its way into various contries.

black ops money etc.
if there was a real war on drugs it would be alot harder to get it into a country.
take uk for example, millions of pounds worth of heroin or coc aine goes through the country in a year, its an island, its not like its driven there, in theory you could completely prevent getting there if you made enough effort.

For sure... drugs is big bucks... always follow the money trail...

:-)

We are polluting for sure but fixing it for profit is again the money.

Just fix it, stop doing it, and pretend saving the world is more important than the money to fix it.

The question for al Gore is are you smarter than a 5th grader because that's the age when you learn plants take in carbon dioxide and breath out oxygen.

Just presenting a wealth of interesting articles I found after a 5 minute internet search:

MIT News

Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years...

Pluto is pretty far away.

2003, Discover Magazine

Pluto, the coldest and most distant planet in the solar system, is getting a dose of global warming. In 1989 it reached its closest point to the sun, causing bits of its icy surface to evaporate into a slight atmosphere. Pluto’s nitrogen-rich atmosphere—although still frigid with temperatures between -274°F to -391°F, depending on the altitude—is distinctly warmer than it was when last observed in 1988.

National Geographic talks about Mars:

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

This man's theory is controversial because

His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University. ...
“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets. ...

An article in Live Science

Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

Science Daily even reported that Nasa thought something was up:

Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits, during times of quiet sunspot activity, has increased by nearly .05 percent per decade, according to a NASA funded study. This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change...

BBC News, 2005:

Photographs from Nasa's orbiting spacecraft Mars Global Surveyor show recently formed craters and gullies. The agency's scientists also say that deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near the planet's south pole have shrunk for three summers in a row. They say this is evidence to suggest climate change is in progress.

Global Research

Timothy Ball, one of the first Canadian doctors in climatology, recently wrote an article addressing the issue of why no one seems to be listening to scientists who claim that global warming is NOT man-made. He starts by writing, “Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science”. He continues, “We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification.” Then he mentions how Environment Canada is spending billions upon billions of dollars on “propaganda” which defends an “indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.”

I recommend the above article, it goes over the most popular theories.. very well written.
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Global warming on Venus has caused the surface temperature to rise to nearly 9000 F, enough to melt lead.

Before this post becomes a whole page, here are some more links for you to read about:
Global Warming Lies, The National Post, A collection of interesting articles, MIT discussing warming on Triton, Unbaised Global Warming Facts, Real Climate . org - Mars, A Cambodian Scientific article , Knowledge Center on Climate Change, The Dakota Voice (Newspaper), Google docs pdf discussing interplanetary warming, Space . com on Pluto, Astronomer's site Daily Galaxy . com - Venus

The fact is, when the warming of other planets was discovered, it was discussed openly. Most of the above articles date from the mid 90's onward. I've noticed that as time passes, there are more and more theories developing PER PLANET as to why global warming is happening there. I think it's ridiculous. EVERY Planet and in some cases moon his suffering from the same thing we are. I don't even know why this is an issue..

Shall we tell the Martians to stop driving their transports and convert to "green" energy? By making people believe that we caused a problem on Earth, there's a whole new market created for "environmentally friendly", "organic", "green", alternatives. Sadly, since the development of the industrial age, we have in truth forgotten how to live WITH the Earth, not OFF of it. For thousands of years, people have used wood to heat their homes.. now we're told not to because of the carbon emissions. People can no longer save their seeds, in some places it's illegal to grow your own food.

This scenario reminds me of how people in the past must have prayed and made sacrifices to their gods when the last ice age happened. Are WE really that ignorant?

reply to post by XRaDiiX


I think the big problem people are having with your thread title and content is that it's a bit misleading. While I agree that Human caused GW or whatever you want to call it, is probably blown WAYYYYYY out of proportion for profit sake, your own links provide evidence that indeed man has a minimal impact on C02 at the very least. Therefore, you are almost giving it credence as opposed to proving it a fraud. All your data is sourced and seems correct. The same if not worse variances have happened in the past without our help, and they self corrected, as they will again.

On the same note, the fact that we do pollute, is a problem. I believe the major issues won't be seen for a while yet but in future generations. Our ideas of throwing the waste into the ocean cased in cement in hopes that it will stay sealed for a hundred years or so is asinine. Somebody will have to deal with that.

But in the big picture, if we decide to be idiots and not switch over to alternative fuels and limit our pollution, we will only destroy ourselves. The earth was formed as a giant fireball and evolved into the live giving planet that it is today. It can and will survive us and return to it's life giving splendor. Hopefully, the future life forms would have a bit more brains and a bit less greed.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by XRaDiiX

 

Global warming is a lie to further profit the needs of Energy/Oil companies.

Some confusion, here - global warming (climate change - c'mon, how can you expect to speak intelligently on the subject, or be taken seriously, if you can't even get the terminology right?) is NOT a lie. The Legislation they are attempting to pass to combat it is 'to further profit the needs of Energy/Oil companies.'

reply to post by XRaDiiX


Personally, I suspect it's happening now. I mean, I'm noticing it. There's plenty of evidence to support that it could happen (and be noticeable) within a year if not a few months. I've already listed a couple of solid articles. At least, you must admit there is still plenty of scientific debate. That means it's quite early to say anything is absolute.

Here's an interesting article that goes over evidence that the trigger for the last ice age was a mega flood in North America that channelled fresh ice-melt water in to the Gulf of Mexico. I can't help but notice that there is a huge flood transpiring in the U.S. right now that could do just that.
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Excessive C02 emissions are bad for our biosphere, whether they are responsible for "global warming" or not. Clean renewable energy would also be easier on the economy and our society. I don't know what the supposed benefit is to lie about this. I've heard that it could be to sell nuclear energy as being better for the environment, which is obviously a load of crap. Whatever it is, there is far more money and political clout on the side of oil and gas. Lies come from all sides. Whatever the case may be, nuclear energy and oil, gas, and burning coal are bad for us for so many other obvious reasons. Maybe the "global warming" debate is there to distract from that.

Global warming has indeed commenced, whatever the cause. I'm assuming that you are saying that the idea that it was man-made is fraudulent, and not the fact that it has happened. The warming has led to the melting if the ice caps. This has led to glacial isostatic adjustment. All of that water weight is causing some serious redistribution over the Earth's crust. It is also interfering with the currents. All of this interference can lead to a sudden ice age. Glacial Isostatic Adjustment is the best explanation I've seen for all of the major Earth changes we are now seeing. No, you don't have to believe in man-made "global warming" to believe it it.

I'm a "Electric Universe" proponent. I believe that electrical currents flow between planetary bodies. I believe that planetary bodies exchange signals. If the sun knows the Earth is in distress, it will respond accordingly. It's response would be felt throughout the solar system. There are plenty of sources available to give credence to such a hypothesis, but I have no time and assume you would not be interested anyhow.

I don't really like to "argue" science. I like to discuss and learn. I lament that science is so political. If you come it to the discussion politically charged, you come in biased.

All of you morons who are saying that "this is a tool of the left" are out of your mind.

This transcends political ideology.

I'm not on the left, the right, or in the center. I'm an independent thinker, dammit.

Grow up!

Tim Magazine cover, April 1977:

HOW TO SURVIVE THE COMING ICE AGE

This is one rare instance in which I side with the conspiracy theorists, global warming/ climate change is a fabrication. Air pollution was horrendous during the Industrial Revolution, yet as of '77 scientists thought we were heading into another ice age. Now suddenly scientists claim we're raising the earth's average temperatures. It's bogus. That's not to say that we should just pollute with abandon, I'm completely behind cleaning up the environment and limiting pollutants as much as possible. Our pollution has severe local consequences (dirty water, unsightly garbage on the side of the road, nasty brown air hanging over our cities, etc.) But trying to say pollution is altering the global climate is just silly.

Humans don't cause climate change
but they cause environmental waste which causes acid rain
and high levels of dangerous radioactive chemicals

Originally posted by unityemissions
All of you morons who are saying that "this is a tool of the left" are out of your mind.

This transcends political ideology.

I'm not on the left, the right, or in the center. I'm an independent thinker, dammit.

Grow up!

the legislation and taxation that is a result of this phenomenon is indeed a product of the left.

even independent thinkers should be able to see that. We are still arguing over causation and affects, yet some are trying desperately to implement taxes and laws as if it were all figured out.

I am as grown as I care to be.

reply to post by network dude


Right, but how do you equate the legislation with the scientific evidence?!

Just because there may be some sort of "scam", or more accurately in my assessment, a pressure via taxation while indeed causing a few people to bank hardcore....this doesn't mean in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER that the science is bunk.

People try to profit when there's a lot of attention towards and issue.

AND WHAT?!

reply to post by unityemissions


you sound like you get it. That's exactly what I was saying. The left is trying to slam legislation in order to make some money off of this, and the right is opposing it, and in doing so, looking like they are anti- care about the earth.
The politics just get in the way of the real issue as usual. We all agree pollution sucks and needs to stop, but nobody seems to know how to go about it. Pointing fingers and blame doesn't get the job done. So we are left with these silly arguments that lead to..........nowhere.

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by Whyhi

 

They mostly labelled it global warming until climate Gate than they changed their mind when people realised they couldn't buy their bull crap anymore. Climate Gate look it up Also take a look at my links above.

The Truth hurts doesn't it; it insults your intelligence and you can't stand to accept it. The Truth will set you free my friend.

"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident".- Arthur Schopenhauer

edit on 9-5-2011 by XRaDiiX because: (no reason given)

Truth? How can anyone know for sure. Why even bother reading the responses if you've already made up your mind? Why even bother posting here if you're not open to alternative viewpoints and open discussion?

Insulting people by claiming the truth insults their intelligence will not get you very far.... here or anywhere else for that matter.

Fail....

Originally posted by filosophia
The question for al Gore is are you smarter than a 5th grader because that's the age when you learn plants take in carbon dioxide and breath out oxygen.

Do you realize how many plants we've destroyed in the past 50 years? This argument is so flawed. We've killed so many plants that an increase in CO2 isn't going to help them.
We've been destroying our environment(Look up the forests of Lebanon) so quickly in the past 100 years it's not even remotely funny.
Are politicians politicizing climate change? yes, they politicize everything.
Suppose a baby was eaten by a dingo:
The republicans would be like "We must kill that dingo."
Democrats: "No we shouldn't, that'd be immoral"
Republicans: "But that dingo ate a baby!"
Democrats: "Yes well maybe that dingo was hungry"
Republicans: "We cannot let dingos eat babies"
Democrats: "Ok, to prevent future baby-eating we must kill all dingos"

Why the hell are people in this thread turning this into a Right vs Left thing?

There is plenty of information out there that proves the OP otherwise.
If you want to know you guys need to stop quoting scientists that are paid by so and so group.

The truth is noone knows as science contradicts itself, but at the same time its freaking obvious.

Let me ask you some questions:

You think it is ok for all of humanity to keep dumping crap into the atmosphere at an increased rate and Mother Earth will just clean itself?

You think it's ok for the Ozone to depleat?

You think that BP can dump oil into the ocean along with chems that disperse the oil (see dead Dolphins)

You think it's normal for the planet to have Fukishima x 3 dumping into the air?

You think its cool that skin cancer is at an all time high along with cancer in general?

You think it's normal for the North Pole to be devoid of ice?

If you are saying that humans are not assisting in this, then I want you to admit we are not helping either.

If we aren't helping then we are assisting as far as I am concerned.

Also I want to mention climate gate. There was one idiot scientist that was found to fudge some facts. He was not the only scientist working on the project and was called out immediately by his peers. The other scientist involved in the study are NOT to be rediculed. Most reports that say global warming is a farce can be summed up as paid-by-oil company scientists and to be honest no one here should be trusting them.

Get your facts and sources straight. FFS use your own intuition and common sense.

reply to post by mudbeed

Why the hell are people in this thread turning this into a Right vs Left thing?

Because that's easier than admitting they might be wrong.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by mudbeed

 

Why the hell are people in this thread turning this into a Right vs Left thing?

Because that's easier than admitting they might be wrong.

Because the media is brainwashing people into thinking it's a right vs left thing.
They tell the right that the left wants to stop you from breathing out CO2 or tax you for breathing.
Then they tell the left that the right wants to destroy the environment.
then both sides say that the other side is lying.

GEORGE CARLIN ON EARTH DAY
He was liberal on most issues… but not on climate change =)

www.liveleak.com...

reply to post by Ghost375

Because the media is brainwashing people into thinking it's a right vs left thing. They tell the right that the left wants to stop you from breathing out CO2 or tax you for breathing. Then they tell the left that the right wants to destroy the environment. then both sides say that the other side is lying.

Well said. I hate to quote Alex Jones, but it's that false left/right paradigm again. Much like the stupid birth certificate shennanigans it's merely a tool used to distract people away from actually doing ANYTHING. Instead it's fat old Al gore this, and blah blah blah treehuggers that.

We are on this planet. It's a closed ecosystem. We ARE having an impact and THAT is the only variable we can control. Cap and trade is a load of crap and merely a method for TPTB to make money, without ever solving the issue.

So to sum it up.....

"Man made climate change is a hoax" = unrestricted pollution from industry as emissions standards disappear overnight (SUV anyone?)

"Man made climate change is real, and it's all mans fault" = taxed to death, taxed to breath, taxed to drink, taxed to urinate, yet the pollution continues.

We need to meet half way, say WE'RE the cause of all these problems is stupid, we don't even fully understand the earths inter connectivity. Saying we have no impact is equally as stupid.

We need to control the 1 variable in our grasp, US.