Remember when the US Army invaded China? Don't remember marching on Beijing? I do.

Wow. I wonder whether China hides this piece of history too just to "forget" the past or something when the West tried to invade them.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Wow you remember that? You must be pretty old. it was over a 100 years ago. Oh also your memory is going too. because At the time China was in a civil war. And one of the sides decided to massacre a city. It was called the Raping of Nanking or how ever you spell it. Your entire thread is deceptive and historically inaccurate. but comically wow look at all the stars you have. Why am I not surprised. It was an expedition to save the Chinese. That China requested!

The dead Chinese were mostly from other Chinese. The communists. But I'm sure you will say that the history books lied because you were there. it is true that the US 4th Marines and the Imperial Japanese army, the Italian marines stayed there for like 30 years. It was supposed to be to protect the Chinese which the united states did until they were moved to the Phillipeans to try and thwart to the Imperial Japanese invasion. Now that was a massacre.

Must be some seriously flawed schools in the Nation. I remember getting taught about the Opium Wars and Boxer Revolution in public high school and onto college. Not sure why this thread gets 47+ flags because people skipped those days in history class.

Originally posted by yourmaker
makes me believe that if the chinese ever knew this they would want to retaliate to it's fullest extent.

They know all too well, every so often their leadership mention it at world leadership meetings and amongst the all pervasive hatred of the Japanese in Chinese popular movies you often get an arrogant Round Eye opium merchant as the hate figure, keep stoking the rage, I don't think they'll ever forgive us for the Opium Wars or the Boxer Rebellion.

I wonder how many of the families that made or enlarged their fortunes as opium dealers to the Chinese are still in leadership positions around the globe and why it's so hard to believe they raise cash these days by shipping coke and smack to their own countries where there's less chance of an organised fight back.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Thanks for the education. I've been reading up on history for the last couple of years and so far I only knew about the conflict between the UN and China during the Korean war.

Well they do teach us that in Canadian history high schools. Well they taught me that anyway.

They also told us about the opium wars. Hopefully they've kept teaching it since I left and will forever.

Yeah I never heard of such a thing!

muzzleflash, good thread bringing to light some of the issues of a very complex time in history.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Maybe it's time the 8 nation alliance comes clean and apologizes formally and publicly to the Chinese people for what we did 110 years ago? I think that would be a honorable thing to do, personally.

Alas, however, the 8 Powers probably won't feel compelled to apologize anytime soon because, well, they won, didn't they?

The 8 Powers simply took a look at the numbers (the population of China) and traded bombs for burgers and bayonets for BMWs, then returned as:

Mcdonalds, KFC, Apple*, Nike, Mercedes Benz, Fiat, Louis Vitton, Sony, etc...

Whereupon they proceeded to subjugate the masses.

Mission complete.

*[Just the other day in Beijing there was a riot at the Apple (computer) store (located downtown in San Li Tun) when the hopped-up masses, standing in line, became suddenly fearful they might not be able to buy whatever the "latest" thing it is that Apple is pimping these days.]

This sounds corny,but I learned about the Boxer Rebellion after watching this,when I was 9. I went to the Library(before internet) because I was fascinated with it. My father couldnt tell me anything about it.School taught nothing about it. That was 1985.....



Star and Flag for bringing up a memory.........

I'm not sure where you went to school, OP, but when I was a Freshman in High school, we were taught about it. Also, my daughter just finished a lesson on the Boxer revolution. Guess that kind of kills your claims that this isn't being taught in our schools. Also, you call the coalition the NWO. I have to admit, if the NWO has been in existence that long, they are not very efficient and advancement of their agenda is not getting accomplished.

Great thread! S&F indeed.

You know, you could go ask a question on a subject to 3 different History teachers and all 3 of them will give you a different answer. I ran up into my old high-school history teacher at my job the other day and I was asking him how was his family and how was he doing also and he mentioned that he doesn't teach History no more and when I asked him why he just answered me that with the educational reforms that happen almost every 2-3 years, the manual books he was supposed to teach to children were changing every reform.

He said he was fed up with history changing every reform. Quote ''You can't write a new chapter in history if it's in the past, and you can't manipulate generations of teaching and invent a new history'' Now he retired because he noticed kids care less for history and other classes.

History was, and will always be my favorite subject. The other day I was with my girlfriend walking in the cemetery (weird,eh?) the reason why is because once in a year I like to walk in cemeteries and look at all the different monuments of people who lived here and it's my way of paying respect to our past ancestors. Some people might think it's weird but it really helps your mentality by asking yourself ''what was like like in 1860''

What was sad was seeing children's tombstones young as a day (I noticed 20 children who died the day they were born) and when I saw the date, I was saddened how medical care those days were weak but that also made family values stronger than ever and the old family picture was there and strong as ever.

Here in Quebec, we have this really old cemetery (1800's) and we were walking through the cemetery and I couldn't help myself but to imagine what it was like living in the 1800's and how every deceased person had a different story, imagination, mentality, and personality. It made me sad comparing it to today's world how everyone is just rushing to do something.

Unknown to most people, they rush towards something they don't even know. Anyways, sorry for going kind of off-topic here but I can't help myself but to realize how history is, and should be important for everyone. Here we have huge % of drop-outs. When a child hits the age of 16 (Legal age to ''quit'' school) 2 weeks later, they're gone.

And the parents aren't doing a good job in helping out their kids. They depend on the system to teach their children, but the system is screwed up so all of the parents are surprised when their child quits school at 16 to go work at a McDonalds.

Here most Mc Donalds are filled with 40-50 year olds night shift managers working their asses off.

Sad I say, really sad.

Remember when The US ever did anything remotely disrespectful to another human being? No? Me Neither, but then again I've been watching the main stream media all day.

well I for one learned of this while in school. It may have been because of the great teacher I had because he always gave us a side note on many topics we went over, really he was a renegade in his own right. But those side notes that came from him seemed like a more globaly accepted poin of view than what our textbooks read. People here know how to smell propoganda,lies and slander!... So I wnt elaborate.

I remember quite vividly too. After Mr.Cohn drove the point home that we figurativley and well rather literally held them at gun point to infect and get the simple people hooked on this horrible drug. There were more than enough comments made by my classmates, because coming from smithtown long island, well supposedly we got a BAD heroin problem, this could have been a viable excuse for em lol.

Seriously though if not many people kno about it, I don't feel it matters all that much.

I focus on what that opium was used for.
A form of debt to enslve these people who weren't fond of our way of life, or the commodities that were offerd first.

Please notice they used addictive life ruining drugs before 1913 to enslave and put a country in debt. Before they had these pesky little notes.


"Any questions?...comments?....any confuuusionssss?...no conundrums?....Well,As you were". - Mr.Cohn

reply to post by JerryB08


I think you got your dates mixed up. The Rape of Nanking wasn't till around WWII

Lol this thread is 'history for dummies.'

Look...if you were on the normal kids track in school, you probably just skipped it because there's a lot to cover and normal track kids won't do much of the assigned reading anyway, so you just can't cover very much.

If you were on a college prep track and took AP history courses or whatever, you know about this.

The imperialism happened before the so called 'imperialistic invasion' in the OP.

The "invasion" itself was a justified relief expedition to save people trapped in besieged embassies.

It was anything but a spontaneous uprising. Their Empress made it happen. The whole thing was stupid. It didn't solve anything and got a lot of people killed. But to set the 'Boxers' (we'd call them martial artists today) on all the foreigners was the basic plan. It started with gangs attacking random foreign people in the streets and abusing and/or killing them, and culminates in crowds surrounding the embassies.

Every country freaks out when their embassies are attacked because they are supposed to be sovereign territory by agreement. Respect for that principle is a fundamental part of the foundation for international diplomacy.

So obscure, so covered up...

...that you can watch an academy award nominated hit movie about it from 1963 starring Charlton Heston, Eva Gardner(Frank Sinatra's girlfriend), and David Niven. "55 Days at Peking"

en.wikipedia.org...

The Opium wars are indeed a nasty piece of work.

Mostly, the UK were the ones reaping the benefits, but the Opium trade did make some Americans very very wealthy as well.

In particular, Russell and Company left a ton of money to Yale. Oh and an heir to the 'Russell Trust' (aka all that money in a legally protected form) founded a little club there called the Skull and Bones. Dun dun DUNNNNN!!!!

The Chinese government was corrupt and complicit while publicly blaming foreigners.

The fact is, there were Chinese people who saw the obvious solution, advocated it, and were marginalized by their own people.

The solution was Chinese legalization of the opium trade, which would crash the inflated black market price of opium and thus the economic damage would be minimized as very little money would leave the country.

After all, that much was under Chinese control, wasn't it?

The same ridiculous arguments that kept alcohol prohibition going for so long in the US, and which keep world wide drug prohibition in general going today were used.

HIS-story some call it...

OP said Boxer rebellion and I immediately thought Opium Wars and wouldnt ya know it...the second post was opium wars...

So I have to shift gears and show todays parallel...

Opium production in Afghanistan

Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001. Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004–2007) than in any one year during Taliban rule. Also, more land is now used for opium in Afghanistan than for coca cultivation in Latin America. In 2007, 92% of the opiates on the world market originated in Afghanistan.

Now, is anyone aware of the most recent scourge to plague the US?

Who are the real drugs dealers and who are their clients?

Oxycodone

The International Narcotics Control Board estimates that 11.5 tons[clarification needed] of oxycodone were manufactured worldwide in 1998, which grew to 75.2 tons in 2007.[11] Of all countries, the United States had the highest total consumption of oxycodone in 2007 (82% of the world total of 51.6 tons).[11] In addition, in 2007 the U.S. had the highest per capita consumption of oxycodone, followed by Canada, Denmark, Australia, and Norway

So, they find a pretext to invade, they then move to control and to protect the drugs, they export the drugs to the 1st world countries where they are used to addict and pacify the population while simultaneously the drugs are used as the excuse via The War On Drugs to negate our rights and destroy our families further by filling the prison system with our Parents and children.

I do not believe it is a coincidence that this action aligns with the timing of the current economic downturn.

I hope this post was on topic and in line with the SPIRIT of this thread, OP

and now I want to leave you all with a Song.



"Oh baby, you and me"

and a final quote from wiki concerning Incarceration in the US.

Incarceration in the United States is one of the main forms of punishment for the commission of felony and other offenses. The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. At yearend 2009 it was 743 incarcerated per 100,000 population.

Consider this the next time you think about the War on Drugs (war on people and their rights) and where you stand on this issue...

Originally posted by JerryB08
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Wow you remember that? You must be pretty old. it was over a 100 years ago. Oh also your memory is going too. because At the time China was in a civil war. And one of the sides decided to massacre a city. It was called the Raping of Nanking or how ever you spell it. Your entire thread is deceptive and historically inaccurate.

Boxer Rebellion 110 years ago.

Rape of Nanking happened over 35 years later.

You actually don't have a clue what you are talking about. Read the links I posted in the OP and the subsequent posts and posts by other members, and educate yourself. That is why I posted this topic.

Originally posted by crudos
Must be some seriously flawed schools in the Nation. I remember getting taught about the Opium Wars and Boxer Revolution in public high school and onto college. Not sure why this thread gets 47+ flags because people skipped those days in history class.

Maybe it's because we have folks swearing up and down I am a liar because they think the Chinese Communists were behind the Rape of Nanking (which was the Imperial Japanese Army in pre-ww2).

Our history is very muddied and clouded. When people realize how much has been hidden or ignored, their jaws should be hitting the floor.

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
I'm not sure where you went to school, OP, but when I was a Freshman in High school, we were taught about it. Also, my daughter just finished a lesson on the Boxer revolution. Guess that kind of kills your claims that this isn't being taught in our schools. Also, you call the coalition the NWO. I have to admit, if the NWO has been in existence that long, they are not very efficient and advancement of their agenda is not getting accomplished.

My claim was that it's usually not taught.

But when it is, it's slanted to favor the occupiers interests.

It's slanted and twisted to paint the Boxers as these evil murderers who hate Jesus, when it was more like a fight against foreign imperialist agendas.

I used the term "NWO" loosely to describe the same group of Elites that we have today. If you check the history books you will see quickly the same big top dogs 110 years ago were the exact same families and corporate interests as today.

I knew about the opium wars but never knew about the invasion of Beijing.
Star and flag bro
Gona watch one of the movies tonight maybe try and find some documentary.
Exellent post.