Senate Seeks to Create Caesar

Sounds to me like we need to be doing fewer things with the government system we have, rather than voiding checks and balances to "streamline" government.

It really will streamline government... but I really wonder if it is necessary for government to be performing the functions these appointed officials oversee, anyway.

Doom and gloom aside.

OK, I have read the entirety of the bill; and I must say, that the OP article title Senate Seeks to Create Caesar is sensationalism at best, bordering on pure right-wing propaganda. There are no positions which I would consider to be significant that are applicable under this legislation. Basically, this legislation is to streamline the process and allow the POTUS to directly appoint people to positions such as assistant secretaries to various departments.

Anyone care to point out to me a significant position listed in this legislation that honestly necessitates congressional oversight?

EDIT: here is the entire bill: www.govtrack.us...

Just another day in Waaaashington. Someone should write a song by that title. We heard the same thing during Dubya's administration. Nothing new.

reply to post by nwdogg1982


What you are describing is not a Socialistic Economy, or what you also call a corporatism. It already has a name and its called Fascism. It's a Fascist economy.

Dear Mr. Pick Pocket (American Government):

I have $5,000.00 in cash in my pocket. I am telling you this because I am about to turn my back on you and I do not want you to steal it when I do. Thank you very much for being trustworthy, following my wishes and looking out for my best interests.

Signed,
Robbed (Not So) Blind
(American Public)

OK, I have read the entirety of the bill; and I must say, that the OP article title Senate Seeks to Create Caesar is sensationalism at best, bordering on pure right-wing propaganda. There are no positions which I would consider to be significant that are applicable under this legislation. Basically, this legislation is to streamline the process and allow the POTUS to directly appoint people to positions such as assistant secretaries to various departments.

Yeah, I agree. It's not like the President has a boat load of unconstitutional Executive Orders and powers at his disposal as it is. What's one more insignificant power to appoint flunkies whose job will be to fulfill the Government's agenda, which is looking out for the people's best interests, of course.

End sarcasm: if you consider Government passing legislation which gives them more power as insignificant, then little anyone says will convince you otherwise.

As for your comment about "pure right-wing propaganda", guess what? When a right wing administration is re-elected into office, they too will have access to this legislation for the purpose of fulfilling their agenda. You get an 'A' for effort and an 'F' for living on Fantasy Island.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
As for your comment about "pure right-wing propaganda", guess what? When a right wing administration is re-elected into office, they too will have access to this legislation for the purpose of fulfilling their agenda.

Fine by me. I could care less who holds the position of Assistant Secretary of Agriculture for Congressional Relations, Rural Utilities Service Administrator, Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs, etc... Just to name a few.

If anything, I would question why these positions need to be appointed at all. Could the head of these departments not make sound decisions on who to hire?

Julius Caesar had the support of the people.

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He's already been doing this to a greater extent.

Remember his "czars"?

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Julius Caesar had the support of the people.

Sure presently I do, but don't think I haven't heard the whispers in the Senate!

It's just jealousy I know, but the way Brutus has been acting lately sure is strange.

Just sayin.

Question: If this is going on , and you allow it to happen, who is to blame?
Please look in the mirror before the kool aid and dancing with the stars.

All I can do is laugh at this. And that is all I'm going to do.

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Thanks for your level headed and sane view. The fact is this bill probably will not change much.

However with each piece of legislation that is passed it seems to me the government gets stronger and more tyrannical while individual liberties and the checks and balances designed to keep the government in check get weaker. You know the old saying that if you slowly heat a pot of water to boiling a frog won't jump, kind of a good analogy of what is happening with the US government.

History has a way of repeating itself.

Maybe not a bad plan. After all, remember what happened to Caesar?

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

"Our tyrant deserved to die. Here was a man who wanted to be king of the Roman people and master of the whole world. Those who agree with an ambition like this must also accept the destruction of existing laws and freedoms. It is not right or fair to want to be king in a state that used to be free and ought to be free today." Cicero.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Originally posted by damwel
and he would get this through the republican dominated house how???

Republicans want this BS just as much as democrats.

Originally posted by damwelMuch ado about nothing and just more right wing fear mongering.

Sorry, there's no right wing. Both parties are extreme right wing. They are against freedom.

Left wing : Anarchy
Right wing : Totalitarianism.

Both parties are right wing.

I thought it was the other way around

You can't have a true Caesar without Brutus and Cassius. I do think the headline is bit of sensationalism but I am still a bit alarmed at anything that weakens the checks and balances the USA is suppose to have.

Originally posted by damwel
and he would get this through the republican dominated house how???

Much ado about nothing and just more right wing fear mongering.

More right wing fear mongering? Yes, it has little chance of passing the house. But the scary thing here is that anyone on Capitol Hill could possibly think this bill is OK. Stop drinking the Left-Aide.

/TOA

Originally posted by JBA2848
I see it as a way to eliminate the previous presidents ability to give positions of power to people who can oppose the will of the incoming president.

The president works for the people his
"will" matters less than the public LAW...

Hmmm, while all of you are screaming 'Caesar', the actual wording keeps saying:

shall be appointed from civilian life by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.

by and with the consent of the senate is not dictatorial powers.

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by damwel
and he would get this through the republican dominated house how???

Much ado about nothing and just more right wing fear mongering.

More right wing fear mongering? Yes, it has little chance of passing the house. But the scary thing here is that anyone on Capitol Hill could possibly think this bill is OK.

/TOA

Really? Can you post the specific wording, in its entirety that you find so alarming about this proposed legislation?

As far as 'liberal kool aid', it's co-signed by several Republicans, including several Tea Party heros like Scott Brown, Mike Johanns, and Mitch McConnol.




Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Richard Blumenthal [D-CT]
Scott Brown [R-MA]
Thomas Carper [D-DE]
Susan Collins [R-ME]

Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Mike Johanns [R-NE] Jon Kyl [R-AZ]
Joseph Lieberman [I-CT]
Richard Lugar [R-IN] Mitch McConnell [R-KY]

John Reed [D-RI]
Harry Reid [D-NV]