Senate Seeks to Create Caesar

The potential for exploitation is minor here. I don't like the changes to appointments in the Treasury, but otherwise, these are relatively minor positions that do not afford any dangerous influence to the President nor those appointed.

Originally posted by damwel
and he would get this through the republican dominated house how???

Much ado about nothing and just more right wing fear mongering.

So you say it will be Republicans who block a bill proposed from the left which would give the president unconstitutional powers then slam the same conservatives for fear mongering?

I looked around for more than a blog on this whole shabam, but didn't find much. The media isn't exactly running out to make the public aware of it, that's for sure.

Here's something from the Sun Herald, but a google search doesn't expose much. The link I posted above to the blog was posted on my FB wall by one of the Ron Paul groups I joined.

www.sunherald.com...

We live in a political environment where the appointing of policy-makers is dependent on 'social' currency which the political party finds expedient.

It is in recognition of that fact that the checks of challenge and debate was established.

This proposed legislation (which is likely to pass by a disgustingly large margin) promises new power to the apex political figure - a power to 'stack' the most fiscally burdensome governance with those with whom the party exchanges that 'politically expedient' currency.

No redress, no challenge.... by presumptive law.

Do we not have a Supreme Court that recognizes what this is?

The minimalist of ideology will dismiss concerns... as they always have for the most part, when the political party rules instead of serves. The reactionary clowns will execute superlative hyperbole about the motives and intent.

I am fearful of the trust we are giving the political celebrities of this nation. They will be able to ensure the 'right' people control the 'right' public institutions..... as if that hasn't been happening already with corporate political appointees in regulatory and policy institutions....

How is it that we Americans fail to see the disgraceful self-serving nature of the corporate/political party? Might we subconsciously desire to be ruled by faux-royalty, and so bring it about by 'baby steps'? Or are we simply oblivious to the never ending-duplicitous nature of the vainglorious party and it's cabal of perpetual control.

It may fall on deaf ears, but I must say, the citizens have got to resist these "Because we say so!" laws..... There is no apparent end to the ambitions of "continued control" of the political gamesmen, the corporate 'advisors,' or the oligarchs who expect their rule to last forever.

Are we, as a people, THAT dense?

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


I would rather have Obama appointing people. Then John BONER. ( I know its boehner) How about caring about the HR-3 bill that redefines rape. No is suppose to mean No however, the CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST REPUBLICANS that UNFORTUNATELY run our house are trying to create a Theocracy and oppress women. At least the DEMS (minus the 16 that support the bill compared to the 251 repubs) are trying to change that. It is time for Socialism to kill Capitalism in this country.

reply to post by zillah


yes,, i just read the bill...!

wow..

makes it real EASY to get Cronies into position..!!

hummnhh...

HOLY FACKING FACK!!!! Here we go, the Rise of the Anti-Christ is begining. Giving the POTUS pure and utter power to control everything, this needs to be stopped. like ASAFP! This is scary....

reply to post by beezzer

Et tu, Biden?

Sorry, I laugh, to keep from crying. . . .

Beez, if you don't know the term acerbic wit, go look it up. Now you got ME crying.
Et To Biden? Thats why I love ya.

I just read a post about having it NOT pass the republican House. Um, I'd bet that it would pass with the thoughts of what the GOP could do with such broad powers after 2012.

It's not a good thing regardless of party or political affiliation.

reply to post by Volcanologist31


I think that's the kool-aid talking. I should know, not too long ago I was believing the same things, that the dems were good guys and the repubs were bad guys, and we should push for socialism because capitalism doesn't work anymore.

Then about 2 or 3 months ago (it was the Libya debacle that set me free, and Ron Paul) I realized all of that was wrong. Socialism can't work because of inherent flaws of the system, at least not without a police state to control the socialized people. Capitalism doesn't work now because we don't practice it. We have a basically socialized economy already, well, corporatism is more accurate but it's pretty close. True free-market capitalism is probably the way to go, and I realize this now.

If we allow anyone in this country to have as much power as this bill is proposing, we are going to end up with a second Adolph Hitler as our leader. Followed shortly by WW3. Maybe not soon...but this bill sets the precedent for it to become reality at some point in the near future.

Ultimately what would this lead to? He gains power, he has his loyal followers all around him. Then the illusion is over. He no longer is the freedom fighting, American loving man he pretends to be. So if this passes, which, I doubt it would, how do you all think this would effect the people?

Here is an additional source, which is still a conservative news site but paints this in a much less dire manner. It also points out that this bill has bipartisan support.

townhall.com...

Should a president have to wait … and wait … and wait for the Senate to approve the people he nominates to serve in high office?

Of course not. Yes, the Senate has an important role to fill, but interminable and pointless delays have become the norm. They have bedeviled both Republican and Democratic presidents in recent years, and they need to stop. (Senators, for their part, point out that presidents take too long to consider people and make nominations.)

So it should be good news that Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) has introduced the Presidential Appointment Efficiency and Streamlining Act of 2011, or S. 679. It’s got bipartisan support, too; Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have signed on.

I have not read the bill yet, so I will hold myself from commenting on the substance of it until I have done so.

reply to post by Aggie Man


Like I said, it'll have suport because the GOP is thinking ahead.

NO president, GOP/Prog/Space Alien from Grenobulax, should have such broad and sweeping powers. All you liberals, imagine it's Romney or Gingrich who has the self-same authority!

This is bad no matter who is in office!

*facepalm*

Originally posted by Misoir
What makes this even more frightening besides the already horrifying fact that the President would have the powers of Julius Caesar but that Julius Caesar was the last actual leader of Rome before arguably he transformed it into an Empire before his assassination. There is no arguing though that he was the last head of the Roman Republic before it collapsed into an autocratic Empire. So comparing Obama to Caesar is bad in more ways then one.

Should this be fact of course.

Lincoln Obama's ideological and political hero was also oft compared to Caesar in the New York Times and often satired as such in their illustraions.

Lincoln amongst other things issued a warrant for the head of the supreme court when he publicly sought to challenge the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus as law, decreed a recessed congress in sine die readjourned without a quarum, and allowed it to make laws, and began issuing his own money the green back dollar, attached to nothing of value, that the government wouldn't even accept as payment for tarrifs and taxes but gave out as payment for service and goods.

All under emergency de facto self proclaimed war time powers.

Fortunately it's not like we are getting in more and more wars and starting more every day!

Its just a case of closing off the loopholes for what has been done already.
educate-yourself.org...

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights
These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency.It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...

National Security Act of 1947 allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916 authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

Just add it to the list and realize its already happened.
Then take the Crown Temple and add it to the mix nesara.insights2.org...
Then add the fact that the United states went bankrupt in 1933 nesara.insights2.org...
And you will realize the constitution is like Bush Jr. said "the Constitution is just a piece of paper" Not to mention the "Patriot Act".

And people talk like a revolt is not coming here in America?!?!?!

Ok, sure sure.
Please, everyone be prepared.

Originally posted by damwel
and he would get this through the republican dominated house how???

Republicans want this BS just as much as democrats.

Originally posted by damwelMuch ado about nothing and just more right wing fear mongering.

Sorry, there's no right wing. Both parties are extreme right wing. They are against freedom.

Left wing : Anarchy
Right wing : Totalitarianism.

Both parties are right wing.

this can't be happening
somebody please tell me this
is not happening.

this must be stopped

reply to post by macman


Americans have become too cowardly for a revolt to actually happen. Now would be a better time than ever to pass some more legislation that takes away from the principals the USA was founded upon. "Land of the Jailed, Home of the Scared" should be the last verse of the Star Spangled Banner because it is more fitting to what American has become.

The US government needs to stop making more laws and start repealing laws that never should have been created. It will never happen, the average voter is clueless about real issues in this country. Who cares if we loose more rights, as long as we have bread and circuses! Bread being food stamps and the Circuses being American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, ect....

I used to think an intellectual revolution was possible and necessary to save this country but I under estimated human stupidity. A revolution is needed to save the US from it's tyrannical government but it won't happen, those who still believe in freedom are labeled as nut jobs, terrorist sympathizers, ect.. The majority of US voters are right where TPTB want them, heavily medicated and dependent on big brother for their fix.

reply to post by macman


the sad thing with the american public is half of them would be duped into fighting against their own nabours if an uprising started. they would do all that whilst rambling on about freedom and how its there paitriotic duty. i see more of a civil war than an uprising for you guys if anything at all.