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Arizona seeks online donations to build border fence
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"PHOENIX – Arizona lawmakers want more fence along the border with Mexico — whether the federal government thinks it's necessary or not.
They've got a plan that could get a project started using online donations and prison labor. If they get enough money, all they would have to do is get cooperation from landowners and construction could begin as soon as this year.
Gov. Jan Brewer recently signed a bill that sets the state on a course that begins with launching a website to raise money for the work, said state Sen. Steve Smith, the bill's sponsor.
"We're going to build this site as fast as we can, and promote it, and market the heck out of it," said Smith, a first-term Republican senator from Maricopa.
Arizona — strapped for cash and mired in a budget crisis — is already using public donations to pay for its legal defense of the SB1070 illegal immigration law."
Hey, whether you agree with this or not, I think its a good thing that the people of Arizona have the opportunity to participate in something like this. Surely if the people of Arizona do not want a border fence, they simply will not pay for it, no? Otherwise, if the a good number of people choose to donate, then thats the will of the people, is it not?
Here is the link to the news article:
news.yahoo.com...
They've got a plan that could get a project started using online donations and prison labor. If they get enough money, all they would have to do is get cooperation from landowners and construction could begin as soon as this year.
Gov. Jan Brewer recently signed a bill that sets the state on a course that begins with launching a website to raise money for the work, said state Sen. Steve Smith, the bill's sponsor.
"We're going to build this site as fast as we can, and promote it, and market the heck out of it," said Smith, a first-term Republican senator from Maricopa.
Arizona — strapped for cash and mired in a budget crisis — is already using public donations to pay for its legal defense of the SB1070 illegal immigration law."
Hey, whether you agree with this or not, I think its a good thing that the people of Arizona have the opportunity to participate in something like this. Surely if the people of Arizona do not want a border fence, they simply will not pay for it, no? Otherwise, if the a good number of people choose to donate, then thats the will of the people, is it not?
Here is the link to the news article:
news.yahoo.com...
Yaaaay! I am the first to star and flag. Time to sell the aluminum cans and make a donation.
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edit on 5-8-2011 by groingrinder because: (no reason
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reply to post by groingrinder
I see you live in AZ. Based upon your personal insight, do you think that this initiative will experience widespread support from the people of your state?
I see you live in AZ. Based upon your personal insight, do you think that this initiative will experience widespread support from the people of your state?
Awesome idea!
I say go Arizona, and I hope the other border states follow suit. *cough TX/NM cough*
But yes illegal immigration is becoming a huge problem in the area of TX I live in. We have had an influx of dairy owners buying up farmland in the area for cheap prices and building dairies. It wouldnt be so bad, but dairies are notorious for wanting dirt cheap labor, and they dont care who it comes from. The towns the dairies are moving into are also very low population agriculture towns. So basically there is a huge influx of illegals.
Edit to add: I may not be from AZ, but I will be donating to this cause. Dont often find a cause this worthy.
I say go Arizona, and I hope the other border states follow suit. *cough TX/NM cough*
But yes illegal immigration is becoming a huge problem in the area of TX I live in. We have had an influx of dairy owners buying up farmland in the area for cheap prices and building dairies. It wouldnt be so bad, but dairies are notorious for wanting dirt cheap labor, and they dont care who it comes from. The towns the dairies are moving into are also very low population agriculture towns. So basically there is a huge influx of illegals.
Edit to add: I may not be from AZ, but I will be donating to this cause. Dont often find a cause this worthy.
edit on 8-5-2011 by jssaylor2007
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reply to post by Nathwa
Good idea but watch the Federal Government step on and say it's illegal to build on the US border or some such BS..
Good idea but watch the Federal Government step on and say it's illegal to build on the US border or some such BS..
reply to post by jssaylor2007
So if something like this were to be initiated in Texas, do you think that would enjoy enough support to fully finance the project?
So if something like this were to be initiated in Texas, do you think that would enjoy enough support to fully finance the project?
reply to post by VicDiaz89
That does not sound good. Although I think securing the border is a good thing, denying students the oppurtunites to learn about different ethnic groups and cultures is not a good thing.
Is there just an overall anti-Mexican sentiment in Arizona that could be motivating both of these things?
That does not sound good. Although I think securing the border is a good thing, denying students the oppurtunites to learn about different ethnic groups and cultures is not a good thing.
Is there just an overall anti-Mexican sentiment in Arizona that could be motivating both of these things?
reply to post by VicDiaz89
When i was in high school we had a very large assembly for Cinco de Mayo every year, and my senior year some kids were wearing some shirts that had US flags on them. These kids were escorted out of the assembly by the principal, and disciplinary action was taken. The reasoning was that it may "upset students."
My school was a fairly small school, 75 kids or so in the graduating classes, but we had a pretty large number of hispanic students. I think there is a fine line between teaching ethnic studies, and programming ethnic studies.
I'm wondering if in a few years we will be having this same argument about teaching/not teaching homosexuality in schools?
When i was in high school we had a very large assembly for Cinco de Mayo every year, and my senior year some kids were wearing some shirts that had US flags on them. These kids were escorted out of the assembly by the principal, and disciplinary action was taken. The reasoning was that it may "upset students."
My school was a fairly small school, 75 kids or so in the graduating classes, but we had a pretty large number of hispanic students. I think there is a fine line between teaching ethnic studies, and programming ethnic studies.
I'm wondering if in a few years we will be having this same argument about teaching/not teaching homosexuality in schools?
reply to post by Nathwa
Yes, I think it will have lots of support. People are sick of having illegal aliens to get free what Americans pay for. Single males without children cannot get govt sponsored medical care no matter how poor they are. Millions of illegal aliens can walk into an ER, give them a false ID and get free medical care whenever they please.
Yes, I think it will have lots of support. People are sick of having illegal aliens to get free what Americans pay for. Single males without children cannot get govt sponsored medical care no matter how poor they are. Millions of illegal aliens can walk into an ER, give them a false ID and get free medical care whenever they please.
Could backfire in the near future. Sneaking into Mexico for warmth and food could be very difficult with walls built there. That being said if the
country does not have a financial meltdown i am totally for the wall. But really as long as drug addicts buy drugs you will never keep the very bad
ones out .
reply to post by Nathwa
Lets put it this way, it costs less to build a very nice fence than it does to fund the "increased personnel" border patrol they have down there because of the drug violence.
Lets put it this way, it costs less to build a very nice fence than it does to fund the "increased personnel" border patrol they have down there because of the drug violence.
This pales compared to human trafficking, drug and gun running and people getting their heads lopped off but still should be considered in any
solution.
Opponents claim the barriers are a taxpayer boondoggle, an ineffective deterrent and that the barriers inappropriately jeopardize the health and safety of those seeking illegal entry into the United States, as well as destroy animal habitat, prevent animals from reaching water, disturb animal migration patterns, and otherwise damage the environment. en.wikipedia.org...
reply to post by jssaylor2007
Ahh, thats interesting. What I want to know is would these border fences be effective if only, say, Arizona and Texas build them? If NM and CA do not, then illegals could enter through those states and still proliferate into AZ and TX that way. Wouldnt all 4 states have to build the fence together?
Ahh, thats interesting. What I want to know is would these border fences be effective if only, say, Arizona and Texas build them? If NM and CA do not, then illegals could enter through those states and still proliferate into AZ and TX that way. Wouldnt all 4 states have to build the fence together?
reply to post by VicDiaz89
Unfortunately "ethnic studies" as taught in Tucson was actually RACIST PROPAGANDA aimed at stirring up support for reconquista. Instead of teaching real history IE the United States had beaten Mexico in war and instead of taking the entire country, we legally paid to acquire the parts that were north of the Rio Grand river, they taught instead that the US stole the land from Mexico.
In hindsight we should have just taken the entire country and then there would be no illegal alien problem now.
Unfortunately "ethnic studies" as taught in Tucson was actually RACIST PROPAGANDA aimed at stirring up support for reconquista. Instead of teaching real history IE the United States had beaten Mexico in war and instead of taking the entire country, we legally paid to acquire the parts that were north of the Rio Grand river, they taught instead that the US stole the land from Mexico.
In hindsight we should have just taken the entire country and then there would be no illegal alien problem now.
reply to post by groingrinder
I am pretty sure a bill went before the U.S. Congress after the U.S. defeated Mexico in 1848 on whether to annex the whole of Mexico or not, and the bill did not pass by like 10 votes. Imagine if those 10 congressmen voted the other way. Then we would not be having this discussion most likely I would assume.
I am pretty sure a bill went before the U.S. Congress after the U.S. defeated Mexico in 1848 on whether to annex the whole of Mexico or not, and the bill did not pass by like 10 votes. Imagine if those 10 congressmen voted the other way. Then we would not be having this discussion most likely I would assume.
reply to post by Nathwa
Of course it wouldnt be as effective as if all states had built them, but it would be alot more effective in the places that had built them. Lets say California was the only place that wouldnt build a fence, and lets say the fence that was built was incredibly effective. Most of the traffic would end up in California, and they would finally just give in and build the fence as well, or at least I hope they would.
I heard once that the fence funding was denied in congress because the proposed efficiency of it stopping illegal crossings would only be around 90%. That is just a tad bit ridiculous.
Of course it wouldnt be as effective as if all states had built them, but it would be alot more effective in the places that had built them. Lets say California was the only place that wouldnt build a fence, and lets say the fence that was built was incredibly effective. Most of the traffic would end up in California, and they would finally just give in and build the fence as well, or at least I hope they would.
I heard once that the fence funding was denied in congress because the proposed efficiency of it stopping illegal crossings would only be around 90%. That is just a tad bit ridiculous.
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reply to post by jssaylor2007
Well, I am sure they are concentrated on building a good fence, because the effectiveness of it will give AZ some credibility, and if the results are that illegal traffic has been reduced, other states might catch on. Besides, even a bad fence is probably better then no fence.
Well, I am sure they are concentrated on building a good fence, because the effectiveness of it will give AZ some credibility, and if the results are that illegal traffic has been reduced, other states might catch on. Besides, even a bad fence is probably better then no fence.
i cant afford to donate, but i will drive to Arizona and volunteer my services to help build the damn thing...i will also be wearing a t-shirt with a
big middle finger on the back of it, and i will work facing the southwest, so the whole time im working the finger will be extended in the direction
of washington dc...
