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I don't think anyone is celebrating him. But we're not denying that he was a Mason, either. People accuse us all the time of covering up bad stuff. Here, clearly we're not. Put it this way, if we're willing to admit that he was a Mason, why would we deny other world leaders who conspiracy theorists claim to be Masons unless they actually were not?
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
But he shouldnt be in a list of celebrated masons, dont you agree?
He should actually be condemned by masonry, unless of cos they are genocide sympethizers.
There's no such thing as "official" with Masonry. There's no ruling body with any authority who could issue such condemnation on behalf of all Freemasonry. But in my cursory google searches, I haven't found any articles by Masonic authors condemning his actions (nor any praising them, mind you... most are just descriptions of the origin of the Turkish Grand Lodge.)
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
One thing that's on my mind is, has he ever been officially condemned by masonry?
There's no such thing as "official" with Masonry.
The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) is the governing body of Freemasonry in England, Wales and the Channel Islands.
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
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So what about the UGLE?
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
So one would say then that the UGLE is 'official', in the UK?
Well then, haven't the grand lodge of Turkey come out and condemned the guy? I mean he is a mass murderer.
*shrug* I don't read Turkish. His Turkish contemporaries at the time considered him a patriot. I don't know how his actions are covered in Turkey education today.
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Well then, haven't the grand lodge of Turkey come out and condemned the guy? I mean he is a mass murderer.
He was also the grand master of Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Turkey during 1909-1910.
Again, he's on a list of notable Masons. Celebrated means we praise them all. Notable is a statement of factual description without bias of "good" or "bad" attached to it.
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Well if you *shrug* dont read Turkish then, how is he on a list of celebrated masons, you lot celebrating without even knowing who you celebrating?
I know it wasn't you who posted that list, just saying.
Hey, you're the one who's derailed this for the last page. There have already been links to where you can buy, if not the same book, one quite similar.
Originally posted by Dr Cosma
To this crap.
Where's the dam book?
Posthumous Memoirs In a very short time after the assassination of Talat on March 1921, the "Posthumous Memoirs of Talaat" was published on October volume of The New York Times Current History[30]. In this memoir, he accepted that the deportation was not carried out lawfully everywhere. He claimed that in the region there was hatred among the Armenians and Kurdish which had their bitter history. He also claimed that there were officials who abused their authority. He also states that region became unlawful and people took preventive measures into their own hands. He accepts that the duty of the Government was to prevent these abuses and atrocities. He claimed that as the minister of interior, he ordered to arrest those who were responsible and punished them according to the law[30].
I admit that we deported Armenians from our eastern provinces, and we acted in this matter upon a previously prepared scheme. The responsibility of these acts falls upon the deported people themselves. Russian ... had armed and equipped the Armenian inhabitants of this district [Van] ..., and had organized strong Armenian bandit forces. ... When we entered the Great War, these bandits began their destructive activities in the rear of the Turkish army on the Caucasus front, blowing up the bridges and killing the innocent Mohammedan inhabitants regardless of age and sex... All these Armenian bandits were helped by the native Armenians.[31]. —Mehmed Talat [edit]