Media Scrambles as Bin Laden Story Crumbles

Originally posted by burntheships




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I found it strange, curious and even suspicious that President Bush seemed almost disinterested
in hunting Osama bin Laden down.

edit on 6-5-2011 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

I think Bush is afraid of the public,why you ask?because he is not a good liar, and he knows that we know I think that makes him fear us.It makes me giggle(not in a good way) when I think of some of the things that came out of his mouth...........oh the insanity of it all.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

Can't disagree with anything here. Some might still expect this from the "news" media, reporters and journalists, but they'll be sadly disappointed and led down the wrong path almost every time. Whether we like it or not, it may very well stay this way forever. There are probably those who aren't flat out propagandist mouthpieces, or don't know they are, and those who are.

We should also expect a level of professionalism from the White House, but we may not be getting that either. Too many "official" spokespeople muddled in with too many interpretations of what they can and cannot or should or should not say. Some ego thrown in. Some carelessness. Who knows. They did it right during the Clinton years. ONE point of official contact, from whatever organization had the lead and all the facts or could get them. I can just see Hillary Clinton mentioning this and being voted down :|

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Of course there's a difference.

But I'm working hard to reserve judgment until I myself have time to trace the SOURCE of the information.

Example: Was it CNN who reported bin Laden fired back or did official White House spokesperson or spokepersons (a whole other issue...they have too many, which is a good chunk of the problem) say it. At this point, I think only someone working on this 18 hours a day has a clue or comes close to knowing for sure.

Like I said...billions of people in the world, each with different momentary snapshots of what they thing the "facts" were at that moment.

Another example: Who started the rumor that he used his wife as a shield as he fired? Did the White House release that tidbit or did someone embellish? If the White House said it. It's a contradiction, albeit one that might also have an explanation or not. If embellished, where was it embellished, by whom when and why, and how many people out there will spread this as fact from now till all eternity because that was their snapshot?

And that boys and girls is exactly what happens when people tell too many lies - they contradict themselves getting them into worse trouble.. Todays lesson on the importance of being honest.. Guess their parents failed to teach them the importance of honesty among other things.. Seems also dizzy city went overboard throwing the bovine fecal matter this time and it exploded in their faces..

for what its worth...i was wondering just what the official story was/is/will be

'The Killing of Osama' Film
Politics / US Politics
May 06, 2011 - 05:55 AM

By: LewRockwell


Jack D. Douglas writes: The first U.S. edited version of "The Killing Of Osama" made it look like one Seal found Osama and his wife in their third floor bedroom, the surprised and unarmed Osama used her as a shield so the Seal shot her first and then him. It did not seem to occur to them that this made the Seal both a coward – or a terrified incompetent – and a war criminal. By the second day they had edited this scene to have the wife rushing at the Seal, presumably scaring him witless, so he shot her and then shot the unarmed old Osama who was either sitting around or standing around doing nothing but, presumably, looking dumb.

the above is a snip of a pretty good layout of the OBL story elements...the evolving distortions to cover up their embarrasment, folly, even war crime activity...


heres the link: www.marketoracle.co.uk...

Originally posted by randomname
if they would have just focused on bin laden, they could have just killed him, declare the war on terror over and everybody can go on with their lives.

but this perpetual fear they have going, with no end in sight is depressing and destroying the fabric and mood of the nation.

they made al qaeda into something much bigger than it was, that it is now impossible to destroy the myth.

subconsciously, everybody has it in the back of their heads and it is interfering with everyday life, even if you're aware of it or not.

sometimes i wish i was in south america or europe, where no body even thinks about terror and al qaeda and are at much more peace.

this is b.s. just show the pictures, say al qaeda is defeated and give the people some peace and security. when politicians have to lie they don't. they are majorly f-uped.

behind the scenes to whatever it takes.

edit on 6-5-2011 by randomname because: (no reason given)

You have described the plan of TPTB exactly. Osama Bin Laden has served the government well, they WANTED to keep this story going, with the purpose of keeping the populace in a state of fear and to provide a false rationale for the wars they have waged for the Corporations, for stripping away civil and human rights and for funnelling huge rivers of money into the military-industrial complex.

reply to post by St Udio


Calling a team 6 a bunch of stumbling idiots? idiots they are not, the real question is where they set up?? smoke and mirrors time everybody .

Was just watching a little bit of MSM at my moms house and they were rattling off a list of meds and shoeing pictures of the supposed bed side smorgasboard BL had. Now at first I resigned from saying anything until my mom opened her mouth and actually said that she didn't buy this stuff. Floored I began to talk to her about all the discrepancies and how I was beyond a doubt sure that she was going to wait for me to start yelling my head off. "Yeah this just doesn't make sense" she said. She claims what made her really begin to question this is that she was out a few nights ago with friends and the topic came up. One who bought into everything was trying to defend the mess of dis info and compared it to 9/11 and the slews of minute by minute info that seemed to correct itself endlessly when she rebutted without even thinking "Yeah well they had more than enough time to get their story right this time as this supposedly happened how many hours before they announced this".

Wow she then began to go on about how she feels that this is some kind of test to see how much they could push even the normal people out there before they got angry. She thinks also that they are trying to turn us on each other somehow to declare martial law but she really didn't have much more than a gut feeling.

I agree with her and the question that is bothering me is how. I'll be damned but I think I just witnessed my moms awakening.

That is all

Trowa

Originally posted by burntheships
“Fog of war” was claimed by the White House spokesman...

Funny that excuse was suggested to him by a member of the “press” corps asking a question.

'Fog of War'? Weren't they supposed to have watched the thing unfold on TV in the Incident Room? The Director of Counter-Terrorism is shown in the photo monitoring it in alleged real-time.

Can't the Director of Counter-Terrorism recall the details accurately?

If they had watched it as the allege (I believe falsely) it would have been impossible to get the details wrong.

Well the media has effectively confused a whole lot of people. I won't lie, I'll include myself in this. I go back and forth depending on which channel, or source I listen to as to whether or not I believe any of it.

But I'll tell you something...and let me know if any of you find this happening in your life, people that I know that are so ANTI conspiracy and total sheeple are actually starting to question this...the same people that usually laugh or roll their eyes when I talk about stories I read on this site are actually having a "hmmm" moment.

It's scary because at first I was thinking YES!!! WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE!! But now I'm almost wondering if there wasn't this confusion for a reason...TPTB can't be this stupid can they?

Michelle

reply to post by TrowaBarton


Now dont go getting paranoid with each other,, lol ie Sarah /John Connors you both can now be sounding boards off of each other,, my wife is mine,, she just , say's ok that's enough lol and that's from ,," dear have you ever heard of the phrase "male menopause? " lol

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by TrowaBarton

 

Now dont go getting paranoid with each other,, lol ie Sarah /John Connors

you both can now be sounding boards off of each other,, my wife is mine,, she just , say's ok that's enough lol and that's from ,," dear have you ever heard of the phrase "male menopause? " lol

Well she called me a "conspiracy nut" at Easter dinner and my Step dad threw me out so I'll doubt we'll be having a conspiracy brainstorm anytime soon

I'm just glad to see her asking questions instead of blindly believing everything the telly says.

Trowa

reply to post by Aeons


Thats interesting...May 2nd?

I thought it was May 1st. See, there are too many to keep track of,
which is why I quesiton that The Media perhaps is part of this confusion,
and I think they are doing it on purpose.

reply to post by burntheships


I don't think the date has been identified whatsoever. At best May 1 this side of Greenwich. May 2 - 20 hours before burial at sea. But they also had some early dna tests done, which since they were matching off his sister may put the date back further.

As far as I can find, a date hasn't been identified.

reply to post by IAMDOA


Thats something I have not heard yet,
can you please provide a source for that information?


reply to post by CUJOCREEP


Well we could say it is deception, which it is, and they would defend it.
Need to know, etc.


reply to post by SlyingFaucers


And we could say they are imcompetent...although somehow while I think they are highly ineffecient,
the appearance of the incompetence is more desired than outright lies.

reply to post by Aeons


Well if we go by the date of the press....here is a May 1st article from The New York Times that
is dated May 1st. Yet, Wikipedia clearly says May 2nd.

President Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden at the White House on Sunday. More Photos

By PETER BAKER, HELENE COOPER and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: May 1, 2011


www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by burntheships


Honestly?

I don't know what to believe anymore..

reply to post by TrowaBarton


Ah yes the lost art of suttle negotiation, the give and take between adult and adult, ya you can pretty much see on here for instance, nothing is ever as easy as first intentioned their is always the unknown, which for some reason, seams too sometimes take control of events, in the world as well as in our individual lives. Stay Strong, always listen too other sides too strenghen your own belief , adapt/splice in what is relevent, but always listen too all sides, and never leave a discussion in anger it only reinforces lost control.
Hope i healped a bit. At Easter? wow.

most everyone can agree there is alot of b.s. involved, and we may never know exactly what happened. i lean towards osama being dead for quite a few years. afterall, you couldn't have him telling people he didn't commit 9/11. but we may never know. so in the interest of not looking stupid, don't hold one claim over the others based on conjecture.

reply to post by burntheships


Having served as an enlisted in the military, with two sons serving or having served as officers in the military, I can say that the reports coming from the "boots on the ground" from elite teams tend to be very conservative and factual. (OK, there are some interesting exceptions to this...). These boots-on-the-ground reports seldom see the light of day, or if they do see the light of day they only come out much later, after the data have been first run up the "chain of command". Upper echelons digest the info and determine what to do with it in order to get maximum benefit.

HOWEVER, in the military or in the corporate world (in which I participated for 28 yrs) or in politics, there is a Marketing department or equivalent which tries to put the most positive spin possible on events or products. This positive spin is put there in the hope of 1) in the military -- a promotion to a higher rank (or more money for a project) , 2) in business -- a promotion or an increase in sales, or 3) in politics, better chances for re-election.

I'm thinking that the "marketing department" of the current administration initially put a maximum positive spin on the events to gain traction and boost spirits of the common folk. Later info coming out that "reputed" the early reports resulted from info spilling out from outside the chain of command. In this day and age, it's impossible to tie off all the loose ends. Just too many of them. Not to mention the "disinformation" experts working from within the intelligence community diffusing focus from possible sensitive areas of "real" information.

reply to post by burntheships


The announcement was May 1st. At no point does it give a date that says "today" or "yesterday" we killed Osama.