Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
When I see bait, I mean threads, like this,
I think several things,
1-very young and inexperienced writer.
2-bored and just posting to cause trouble.
3-collecting a paycheck and reaching the quota.
4-a litmus test to gauge response and record data.

Yes sir, those are my thoughts when I come across morsels like these.

All are wrong. Simply because i have shown you and Paul to be wrong does not mean that I am trying to do anything with alternative motives.

Hey sunshine, you havent 'shown' anything except you can type and hit reply.
I'll stick to my thoughts on this one, and wont be drawn into a non productive battle with a time vampire.
Time is precious son, it's all we have of value.
Have a good day.

I never said they are one and the same thing. Maybe you should reread my post.....

Dude, didn't think you did.

If your saying corporations are not part of capitalism then your making a VERY DISHONEST arguement!

No not saying that at all, that would indeed be incorrect.
Any for profit company is capitalism.

What more needs to be said? Is coca-cola a sole proprietership? No its not...but it DOES make profit just like you selling your potatoes in the local flea market.

Well, I need to say, my potatoes? At a flea market?

Hey, wait, are you even talking to me? If not disregard. It seems we agree.

Are you for real? I thought you were being facetious! You demonstrate no comprehension of the way the world works. You are delusional if you think any of King Bernake's policies favor any one but the elite. QE 1 and 2 a success? This is one of the most pathetic posts I have read to date. Where is your logic, your rationale? Do you eat GMO cereal for breakfast? Too much Corexit exposure? Did you have the flu shot last year? Just wondering......

reply to post by gorgi

Your political Kung-Fu is cheesier that Donald Trump's comb-over. 'Opinion' is not synonymous with 'fact', the Federal Reserve IS a (very complex) private institution that has a mandated monopoly on money in America , since 1913 they have eliminated 98% of the value of the dollar and paper fiat currency always fails. Your type of attack, doesn't convince the type of inquisitive people that are attracted to and understand Ron Paul's philosophies, that you are correct. In fact, I believe it has something to do with CNN reporting Ron Paul is the best matchup for Obama and the amounts of money he's pulling in. There are bound to be some lefties who abhor the mere idea of an Anti-war Libertarian taking the stage! I think Ron Paul turns the political conversation from left-right into big-small, and to this hardworking taxpaying US Army Veteran is convinced that small government is best.

Here a Link to the article:
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

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um wrong as usual pal. gorgi has provided good facts for each of his posts.

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hey noob, ever since qe1 on march 2009, stock markets have soared. the s&p has doubled. qe was a huge success.

gorgi you are a paid shill, disinfo agent, troll and everything else. i am tired of you writing facts and disagreeing with me. if you keep disagreeing with me, i will call you more names. ron paul is a expert in economics. it does not matter that he has been wrong for three years now. that is the past.

Originally posted by Foodman
reply to post by lostviking

 

hey noob, ever since qe1 on march 2009, stock markets have soared. the s&p has doubled. qe was a huge success.

Hey, was that before or after the government revisions.
1) the U.S. is at a 15 TRILLION debt ceiling -14 of that is in less than 10years of the Fed, and the same banksters regulating our treasury. So what's with the name calling with your blantant disregard of facts
As for the op's sure cited troll thread with 30 flags, it has become clear even to a toddler that if America keeps the course, a 3rd world country will prevail.

Go,Paul

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Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by OG_SWAGGA_KING


The FED is garbage. 40cents of every dollar the government spends is borrowed. Then we have to pay 20-30% interest on it. So can anyone calculate 20-30% interest on the Trillons of dollars of the deficit. Thats why it is mathmatically impossible to get rid of the deficit. ABOLISH THE FED!

The FED may be garbage, *BUT*.... excessive government spending is the fault of THE CONGRESS!

but if the FED was not there to buy up the debt and loan the money to Congress it wouldn't be spending like it does..

So, where is the Fed getting the money to buy up the debt?? Hmm..??

And why does congress need a nanny to exercise fiscal discipline??

Originally posted by LexiconRiot
For you fans of "smaller government" please Google Cultural Imperialism and Class Dominance. You would all unwittingly make the middle class the slave class. Less government leave a power vacuum. Who do you think would fill that void? The state governments have proven just as ineffective as the federal. The void will be filled with BIG business. You all love to talk about going back to the way things used to be run. The Battle of Blair Mountain. Do we really want to repeat of the bloody history of corporate oppression. At least with the government we have a voice no matter how splintered the political realm gets.

The middle class is a slave class, it is just made to not look that way.

If you consider the layers of taxtation from the time the raw material leaves
the ground til it reaches your hand it is taxed over a dozen times on most goods.

These taxes in turn go to feed a bloated monster that is the government whose boots you
are kissing.

The merger of corporate and government power is fascism as said by Benito Mussolini.

The Fasces hang in the hall of the senate at the HEAD of the senate, quite a statement eh ?

Symbols of Fascism

So its a bit more out in the open than most might admit.

Class Dominance exists right now, and it is bought thru lobbyists.

As for Imperialism we can talk about 700+ bases in 130+ countries.

You know words, but you like many believe the BS coming out of the government.

Almost all governments have a long history of lies and deception, this one is no different.

Even hillary admits who calls the shots, you need to wake up.



The CFR, Bilderberg, Club of Rome, and Federal Reserve are not part of the US government,
they control it from the outside, and until more ppl see that clearly your making arguments
from a false foundation.

Oh look, the government sent one of their smear campaigners here to try and lie to everyone, cool story bro.

Originally posted by lostviking
Are you for real? I thought you were being facetious! You demonstrate no comprehension of the way the world works. You are delusional if you think any of King Bernake's policies favor any one but the elite. QE 1 and 2 a success? This is one of the most pathetic posts I have read to date. Where is your logic, your rationale? Do you eat GMO cereal for breakfast? Too much Corexit exposure? Did you have the flu shot last year? Just wondering......

edit on 8-5-2011 by lostviking because: (no reason given)

QE1 and QE2 have worked.I have provided evidence showing so. If you disregard those facts, there is no help for you.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

It all started with ronald reagan and his so called *reaganomics*-privatisation of everything.... No one stated the deomcrats were socialists or communists, in fact how can anyone state that when the president of the socialist party himself called obama "the farthest thing from socialism"...obvious exaggeration on his part but still his point is/was democrats are mild capitalists and republicans are extreme capitalists.

First off we have not had capitalism in the USA for over a hundred years. Fractional Reserve Banking kills capitalism because counterfeit fiat currency drives out wealth based money.

[Gresham's law - “bad money drives out good.”]

Capitalism is a system where an individual invests his WEALTH to produce more wealth.

Fractional Reserve banking is a dead short across the productive element of society diverting unearned wealth directly into the pockets of the bankers. This is because the banker invest nothing of value. His "loans" are legally null and void because he provides no consideration



Reagan did major damage to this country by allowing the plague of "corporate Raiders" to tear apart good decent American companies.

Second Congressman Lindbergh Sr. [R], Congressman Wright Patman [D] and Congressman, Louis T. McFadden [R] are about the only recent politicians I like.

In general, we have had nothing but criminals, traitors, and yes men in Washington since 1913 when the Fed started up the printing presses. The few honest men like Congressman, Louis T. McFadden and Justice Martin Mahoney ended up DEAD!

And just for the record the bankers are on YOUR side. See: London School of Economics, Cecil Rhodes/Rothschild and the Fabian Society.

Did you really think Socialism and Communism would even be known to the general public without the wealth of the bankers to back them???

Bankrolling the Bolshevik Revolution

Note: Professor Quigley was Bill Clinton's mentor

None dare call it conspiracy.

by Gary Allen with Larry Abraham

....What happened was this: At the turn of the century the Populists, a group of rural socialists, were gaining strength and challenging the power of the New York bankers and monopolist industrialists. While the Populists had the wrong answers, they asked many of the right questions. Unfortunately, they were led to believe that the banker-monopolist control over government, which they opposed, was a product of free enterprise.

Since the Populist threat to the cartelists was from the Left (there being no organized political movement for laissez-faire), the Insiders moved to capture the Left.

Professor Quigley discloses that over fifty years ago the Morgan firm decided to infiltrate the Leftwing political movement in the United States.

This was not difficult to do since these Left groups needed funds and were eager for help to get their message to the public. Wall Street supplied both. There was nothing new about this decision, says Quigley, since other financiers had talked about it and even attempted it earlier. He continues:

"What made it decisively important this time was the combination of its adoption by the dominant Wall Street financier, at a time when tax policy was driving all financiers to seek tax-exempt refuges for their fortunes…" (Page 938)

Radical movements are never successful unless they attract big money and/or outside support. The great historian of the Twentieth Century, Oswald Spengler, was one of those who saw what American Liberals refuse to see that the Left is controlled by its alleged enemy, the malefactors of great wealth. He wrote in his monumental Decline of the West (Modern Library, New York, 1945):

"There is no proletarian, not even a Communist, movement, that has not operated in the interests of money, in the direction indicated by money, and for the time being permitted by money — and that without the idealists among its leaders having the slightest suspicion of the fact."

While the Populist movement was basically non-conspiratorial, its Leftist ideology and platform were made to order for the elitist Insiders because it aimed at concentrating power in government. The insiders knew they could control that power and use it to their own purposes. They were not, of course, interested in promoting competition but in restricting it. Professor Gabriel Kolko has prepared a lengthy volume presenting the undeniable proof that the giant corporate manipulators promoted much of the so-called "progressive legislation" of the Roosevelt and Wilson eras-legislation which ostensibly was aimed at controlling their abuses, but which was so written as to suit their interests. In The Triumph of Conservatism (by which Kolko mistakenly means big business), he notes:

the significant reason for many businessmen welcoming and working to increase federal intervention into their affairs has been virtually ignored by historians and economists. The oversight was due to the illusion that American industry was centralized and monopolized to such an extent that it could rationalize the activity [regulate production and prices] in its various branches voluntarily. Quite the opposite was true. Despite the large numbers of mergers, and the growth in the absolute size of many corporations, the dominant tendency in the American economy at the beginning of this century was toward growing competition. Competition was unacceptable to many key business and financial interests…"

The best way for the Insiders to eliminate this growing Competition was to impose a progressive income tax on their competitors while writing the laws so as to include built-in escape hatches for themselves. Actually, very few of the proponents of the graduated income tax realized they were playing into the hands of those they were seeking to control. As Ferdinand Lundberg notes in The Rich And The Super-Rich:

"What it [the income tax] became, finally, was a siphon gradually inserted into the pocketbooks of the general public. Imposed to popular huzzas as a class tax, the income tax was gradually turned into a mass tax in a jiujitsu turnaround....

Originally posted by allprowolfy

Originally posted by Foodman
reply to post by lostviking

 

hey noob, ever since qe1 on march 2009, stock markets have soared. the s&p has doubled. qe was a huge success.

Hey, was that before or after the government revisions.
1) the U.S. is at a 15 TRILLION debt ceiling -14 of that is in less than 10years of the Fed, and the same banksters regulating our treasury. So what's with the name calling with your blantant disregard of facts

As for the op's sure cited troll thread with 30 flags, it has become clear even to a toddler that if America keeps the course, a 3rd world country will prevail.

Go,Paul

edit on 8-5-2011 by allprowolfy because: (no reason given)

Congress is responsible or making the budget and setting taxes. Thats what the Fed does. If you want the debt smaller, have congress raise taxes.
The USA will will be a third world country if Ron Paul has his way. He wants to eliminate all the essential government agencies. There will be no anti trust regulation, no food regulation. No nothing. Somalia here we come.

Originally posted by Janky Red

So why does the conservative supreme court keep advancing corporate personhood???

The political notion of conservative changed dramatically in 1964 and in 1980 - you guys are the corporatist now
once you adopted trickle down nonsense

Because they have been bought, or threatened, or even both.

The Republican party used to be for a long time the party of the people, meanwhile the Democrat party was the party of the rich. What's the best way to destroy the party of the people? to infiltrate it, corrupt it, and try to reverse the roles.

Most Americans don't even know that it was the Democrats who wanted to keep slaves, and it was the Republicans, with a Republican President known as Abraham Lincoln, that wanted to free slaves.

It is also a known fact that the Republican Party was represented by the color blue, meanwhile the Democrat Party was represented by the color red, but this was changed not too long ago due to the fact that Democrats of course lean heavily to the left in politics, and the color red in the left side of politics has been used by socialists/communists for decades.

Since the elites wanted the American people to flock to the Democrat/progressive party and not link it to socialims/communism, at least not yet, they had to make changes so that the American people could not easily identify what the ruling elites of the world have been doing to American politics; and that is to slowly transform the U.S. into a socialist state by indoctrinating as many Americans as possible to accept the policies of the left.

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Hello all ATS members, this is my first time (virgin) so be easy on me. I just had a few questions 4 gorgi and I couldnt help but 2 post this !
1. I wasnt going 2 answer or even look @ this thread because I wondered who was so lame and sheeple like 2 post such a thread
2. When you said the fed is good 4 the United States of America what did you mean?? The way they create $$$ out of thin air???
I could go on all day but 4 this guy Ron Paul.......HELL YES I will vote 4 him Ron Paul 2012 thanks all

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The Republican party used to be for a long time the party of the people, meanwhile the Democrat party was the party of the rich. What's the best way to destroy the party of the people? to infiltrate it, corrupt it, and try to reverse the roles.

Most Americans don't even know that it was the Democrats who wanted to keep slaves, and it was the Republicans, with a Republican President known as Abraham Lincoln, that wanted to free slave

Having been around 100 years after Lincoln, I can attest that growing up in the 1950-60s the Republican Party had definitely become the party of big business and the rich, the Democratic Party had become the party of the people. One of the slogans I remember hearing was "Want to live like a Republican? Vote Democratic." Another slogan, "With Republicans you get depressions, with Democrats you get war."

By the end of the 1970s, the voting base of the GOP was shrinking, so to attract new members, they became the party of moral righteousness and family values, and angry white voters who felt the losers by Civil Rights actions. They also saw Vietnam as a disaster that could have been prevented, so they took on the idea that they were the party of strong defense.

Their new voting base would indeed vote in Republicans, but then those elected leaders stuck to voting for big business. Money from corporations increased and elected leaders increasingly used the revolving door as a lucrative retirement plan....IOW corrupting influences gained a stronghold.

Corporate influence now rides roughshod in Washington, filtering down to state level even. It is this corrupting influence that we must fight, not each other.

The paranoia over Commie/Socialist/Marxist hiding in our closets is misplaced. Despite the increased shouting about it over the years, we're being done in by corporate control in govt and greed. Fight that, and you'll be battling the true enemy.

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Tis a shame to see that some are still lost in their own minds.

If anyone is a candidate for a real leader it is Ron Paul.

All others are bought/paid for lobbyist controlled scum that are only worried about their free ride and personal future once their terms are finished (however long they may be)

TERM LIMITS
END LOBBYING (with citizen exception)
END REDISTRICTING

RON PAUL, our ONLY real last hope before the USA is converted into a floundering, debt enslaved, lost country.

Unless you want to see America on her knees vote for RON PAUL.

RON PAUL 2008 looks pretty good now does it not?

SHEEPLE will continue to leech our system, parasitically suck America dry, vote for their welfare candidates, have little/no self reliance, be blinded to real truths/facts by MSM, not cherish Liberty and true Freedom, and embrace the enablers in our society and politics that paves a clear path to gluttony, sloth and worthlessness.

FLUSH THEM ALL DOWN THE toilet...

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by lostviking
Are you for real? I thought you were being facetious! You demonstrate no comprehension of the way the world works. You are delusional if you think any of King Bernake's policies favor any one but the elite. QE 1 and 2 a success? This is one of the most pathetic posts I have read to date. Where is your logic, your rationale? Do you eat GMO cereal for breakfast? Too much Corexit exposure? Did you have the flu shot last year? Just wondering......

edit on 8-5-2011 by lostviking because: (no reason given)

QE1 and QE2 have worked.I have provided evidence showing so. If you disregard those facts, there is no help for you.

Hows that working out for you??? The misnomer #e? The misinfo #e?

Disgusting troll.

All for stars/flags no doubt.... Just as our real society can be broken down to classes as can our ATS community.

See you, I can for what class you fall into here.

Let's review!



Let's review Again.