Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

reply to post by OG_SWAGGA_KING

The FED is garbage. 40cents of every dollar the government spends is borrowed. Then we have to pay 20-30% interest on it. So can anyone calculate 20-30% interest on the Trillons of dollars of the deficit. Thats why it is mathmatically impossible to get rid of the deficit. ABOLISH THE FED!

The FED may be garbage, *BUT*.... excessive government spending is the fault of THE CONGRESS!

Lets get down to brass tacks shall we:

what is the actual value of a $10 dollar bill? for that matter a $1 bill? 9 cents the cost to print the damn thing

THE DHS KEEPS US SAFE!

I stopped taking this post seriously right there.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by OG_SWAGGA_KING

 

The FED is garbage. 40cents of every dollar the government spends is borrowed. Then we have to pay 20-30% interest on it. So can anyone calculate 20-30% interest on the Trillons of dollars of the deficit. Thats why it is mathmatically impossible to get rid of the deficit. ABOLISH THE FED!

The FED may be garbage, *BUT*.... excessive government spending is the fault of THE CONGRESS!

but if the FED was not there to buy up the debt and loan the money to Congress it wouldn't be spending like it does..

Is this thread a joke? I can't believe someone seriously believes that garbage propaganda spewed out by Ben Bernanake and the corporate media. TARP was a success? It was a success if the object was for a bunch of criminals to steal trillions of dollars.

Maybe the OP is one of those paid government sock puppets.

reply to post by gorgi


The hidden problem to our humanity it not being able to see a liar when he or she is in the clear and present. I knew immediately after looking into George Bush's eyes he was a tyrant. Look into Ron Paul's eyes, its that simple.
Vote the guy in that has delivered over 4000+ babies!
Vote the guy in that has sincerity and honor as his mainstay.
Vote the guy in that has challenged that Fed and the money masters of the world.
To say Ron Paul is "Wrong" for America is like shooting your best friend in the trenches of war.
Its sad to see how primitive our society is, when the blind lead humanity to our doom.

I think I remember OP saying he had a former account here. Has anyone verified that. I want to see his posts made in the past. His strictly pro-government posts are suspicious. I'd hate for more people like this to come in and try and halt progress.

Originally posted by gorgi
You got me Im a paid shill.

Sorry I didnt get my sources form "conspiriacies are us". The federal reserve is not a private bank. I like ATS. I need the luck considering most eople here dont like ideas that disagree with them. Theres no denying what I wrote.

You are the uneducated one. You have no idea how the Fed works do you?

Dude, you can't think the Federal Reserve is not a private bank. It sure the hell is.

Look I am concerned about you now. Please stop drinking fluoridated tap water, it does cause brain damage.
Anyone who believes the status quo is a good thing has their tinfoil hat on too tight.

Fact:

On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed. The Republican controlled Senate rammed the bill through when many members of the US Congress were home for the holiday. The President, Dr. Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed it into law one hour after being passed by the Congress! Somebody very powerful really wanted this law passed. The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed, and this appointment is approved by the United States Senate, the decisions of the Fed do not have to be ratified by the President, or anyone else in the executive branch of the United States government. Buried in the legislation was the granting of total power over the monetary policies of all US banks. A very curious statement is found in the original 1913 law. SEC. 30. The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved. Reserved expressly to whom, or what? No definition is provided. This is the entire Section 30 statement! "Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice".

But wait! There's more!

Originally posted by mileslong54

Originally posted by gorgi
You got me Im a paid shill.

Sorry I didnt get my sources form "conspiriacies are us". The federal reserve is not a private bank. I like ATS. I need the luck considering most eople here dont like ideas that disagree with them. Theres no denying what I wrote.

You are the uneducated one. You have no idea how the Fed works do you?

The missing letters, grammer, fragmented sentences say enough right. I Like ATS. ATS Good.

I think he meant he likes TSA. not ATS.
But I might be mistaken, if so sorry.

I serve in local government, and all I can say in response is your view, of the need for all these agencies, is simply based out of ignorance.

These groups are all over budgeted and manned with many individuals who are there to retire early with large pensions. We absolutely need to reduce the size of government for it to run more efficiently.

Remember the words of Thomas Jefferson, "That government is best which governs least"

reply to post by gorgi

He wants to have a national sales tax. There wont be enough money raised to support the government. Maybe if we abolish government to the point that the is almost no it might work, but thats not realistic. Sales taxes are regressive taxes that hurt the middle and lower class and favor the upper class. maybe he doent know that or he is in someones pocket?

Favor the upper class? How? He would abolish income taxes so you don't have to pay for services that many Americans won't be able to use. The thing about the FED is that they favor the upper class! Why? Go look and see who the bailouts went to and why did they go there? Because the upper class screwed up on their bets and the government decided they are too big to fail.

Once the banks that got bailed out bought more banks with the bailout they became even bigger to fail. All the handouts were supposed to go and create jobs but they paid for CEO's luxuries and bonuses. Now the banks are reaping in record profits while the middle class and lower class plunge into darkness.

YOU DON'T THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO AND WHEN TO DO IT.

You haven't done any research about the economy. TARP worked? Can you elaborate on that? Who did it work for? Because if you go ask people if TARP helped them, many don't even know what TARP is! TARP, simply put, is handouts to friends of the government. It didn't go to create jobs but to pay CEO's at banks who have people in the government.

What Ben Bernanke's doing is devaluing the dollar. The dollar will continue to decrease and the paper will literally be worth nothing. Ben Bernanke has been wrong about everything except one thing. He recently said get ready for HYPERINFLATION!

BTW go listen to Alan Greenspan who said the whole thing is one big fraud!

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Foodman
Agreed Gorgi. Ron paul has been wrong on the stock market, the recovery for over three years now. When someone is wrong over and over, you tend to stop believeing them, why do people still worship this false leader called ron paul. he has no degree in economics, but acts like he does.


as donald trump said at cpac this year when asked about ron paul: "ron paul has no chance of winning".

Oh my god!! someone who has done some of his own research. Your gonna get attacked for that.
I do agree with you. He has been constantly wrong on the recovery and it doesnt seem like he will change any time soon. He has no degree in economics. Still not sure why people here consider him an expert.

Trump is funny.

You make basic web searches sound like "doing your own research". I've done my own research and I know it takes hundreds of hours of work, sometimes trips to the library or calls to experts, and you end up learning nothing some of the time even after that. I offered to go through your research point by point if you would be willing to concede points you get wrong and your response was to ignore me completely. I asked whether if you saw government references to the NAFTA superhighway, you'd realize you are wrong. So, you don't seem interested in research to me at all based on the fact you ignored my research challenge back on page 9.

reply to post by gorgi


Folks, this is just a cointelpro.....him and foodman. You guys must be putting in some overtime.

Heck, these two think the Rothschild family are just some poor folks we conspiracy types are giving a bad name.

Here's the Fed for ya.

reply to post by gorgi


Lol, and Obama is any better? America has seen one failure of a president after another since Kennedy was assassinated. It's just the idiocy here is outstanding! Ron Paul, a person who has been open and forthright in what he's been saying since his first step into politics is now being called a disaster... Why's that? Because he says you need to work for change unlike what Obama claimed? That it'd magically appear?

That America is screwed and a radical change needs to happen if America will continue?

This is the problem with the world today, especially with a lot of Americans. You don't want to do the job, you expect it just to magically happen. You dis Ron Paul's ideas because it requires you to put an effort into it.

RON PAUL 2012!

reply to post by gorgi


I know you ignored my last request that you back up your ridiculous assertions for fact on page 9. I'll give this one more try before giving up and just writing a new thread for the explicit purpose of discussing what a joke your points are.

"evidence" link: "Congressman Paul's Legislative Strategy"
Point 1: Lets be clear. Paul's primary legislative strategy is to vote no to any law he deems unconstitutional. His secondary strategy seems to be to not compromise on legislation.
Is that the strategy you are talking about?

"Evidence" link "wrong paul":
Point 2: Paul claims that there exists a secret conspiracy composed of the Security and Prosperity Partnership and a cabal of foreign companies.
Source?

Point 3: That cabal is behind plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway as the first step toward creating a North American Union. The NAFTA Superhighway that Paul describes is a myth, and the groups supposedly behind the plans are neither secret nor nefarious.
So cite me the source where Paul attributes the plans to build NAFTA to the "cabal". And, do you believe the NAFTA Superhighway is a myth?

Point 4: Paul says that the U.S. spends $1 trillion per year to maintain a foreign empire and suggests that we could save that amount by cutting foreign spending. Paul gets that figure by including a lot of domestic programs that he isn't planning to cut, like the U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt.
Source?

Point 5: Paul has run television ads touting an endorsement from Ronald Reagan.
I'll take your word for it.

Point 6: In 1988, Paul wanted "to totally disassociate" himself from the Reagan administration.
Says who, and in response to what?

reply to post by backinblack


Ron Paul for Pres, End the Fed!

Do you also think the FDA is keeping you safe? they might as well get dividends from Monsanto

reply to post by Flighty

I think making Heroin legal is a good idea....

I agree. Drugs and prostitution should both be legal. Drugs are used as a "hook" to drag our young into nasty situations like prostitution.

We have had a "War on Drugs" for years and we STILL have pushers in the elementary school playgrounds. Why? Because it is nothing but a revenue generator for the cops.

Here is the results of a year long undercover study into how the "War on Drugs" actually works in real life:

The Double-Edged Sword undercover researcher observed agencies abandon investigations of suspects they knew were trafficking large amounts of contraband simply because the case was not profitable.

Agents routinely targeted low level dealers rather than big traffickers, who are better able to insulate themselves and their assets from reverse sting operations. The report states: "Efficiency is measured by the amount of money seized rather than impact on drug trafficking."

A reverse sting operation, where the officer becomes the seller who encourages the suspect to commit a crime, "was the preferred strategy of every agency and department with which the researcher was associated because it allowed agents to gauge potential profit prior to investing a great deal of time and effort."

More importantly, the narcotics units studied preferred seizing cash intended for purchase of drugs supplied by the police, rather than confiscating drugs already on the street.

When asked why a search warrant would not be served on a suspect known to have resale quantities of contraband, one officer responded:

"Because that would just give us a bunch of dope and the hassle of having to book him (the suspect). We've got all the dope we need in the property room, just stick to rounding up cases with big money and stay away from warrants."

In one case an agency instructed the researcher to observe the suspect's daily transactions reselling a large shipment of coc aine so that officers could postpone making the bust until after the majority of the drug shipment was converted to cash. This case was only one of many in which the goal was profit rather than reducing the supply of drugs reaching the street.

Thirteen additional years of policing for profit have now entrenched agencies in a dependency on forfeiture revenue that continues to subordinate the pursuit of justice to the pursuit of profit.

"A conflict of interest between effective crime control and creative fiscal management will persist so long as law enforcement agencies remain dependent on civil asset forfeiture."
—John L. Worrall, Department of Criminal Justice, California State University, San Bernardino, Addicted to the drug war: The role of civil asset forfeiture as a budgetary necessity in contemporary law enforcement, Journal of Criminal Justice Volume 29, Issue 3, May-June 2001, Pages 171-187.

"Findings suggest asset forfeiture is a dysfunctional policy. Forfeiture programs, while serving to generate income, prompt drug enforcement to serve functions that are inherently contradictory and often at odds with the demands of justice."
—Mitchell Miller & Lance H. Selva,
Drug Enforcement's Double Edged Sword: An Assessment of Asset Forfeiture Programs
(Twelve month empirical examination of the implementation
of laws from within the forfeiture program)

www.fear.org...

Now give me a GOOD realistic reason for not legalizing drugs.....

reply to post by Foxy1

hes not going to win! do you think the voting process (your ballets) actually count for something? dont you remember bush getting egged in his limo after winning? is human memory so short that we cant remember anything past 5 years clearly? republican/democrat/ this guy/ that guy whatever. ron paul is obviously not on board with the illuminati and if by some miracle of god the next voting period isnt jerry rigged and he actually wins, he will be assasinated just like jfk.

And if we can learn from our mistake we WILL make the voting process honest. That is where every single one of us has the power. We got rid of the Diabolical Diebold Machines and put inplace paper ballots.

Don't trust the counting??? Then I suggest ALL USA ATS members volunteer to man the polling places and DO THE COUNTING!

Originally posted by gorgi
[b The DHS keeps us safe. FEMA responds to disasters. The federal reserve is a very important body of the government. Doesnt he realize that by abolishing this he will destroy the country?

It was approximately here in Gorgi's post where he exposed himself for someone who doesn't really know what's going on..

Look.. this country is on the fast track to a face smack anyway.. and there's no doubt about that.. so why not give Ron and his "extreme views" of freedom a chance? What have we got to lose? You'll be able to say that you were right if that's in fact how it turns out, and we'll stop whining about annoying desires like personal liberties and sound money.

Hm.. I've wasted too much effort on this already. If you, not only, don't love Ron but in fact have heard him speak and still feel the need to do something like post a thread about how he's wrong.. again, every letter I type is another regret.. I want these wasted seconds back