reply to post by Watts
I wasn't even going to waste my time on you, but I'm not doing anything else at the moment. While reading my post keep this in mind: I'm talking
about the general idea that God will take certain people to heaven and leave the rest behind. Not the specific word for word scenario of "The
Rapture" Perhaps that makes things clearer?
Originally posted by Watts
Why are you putting words in the Bible that clearly aren't there?
Care to point out which words? Perhaps your comprehension skills are lacking but I didn't put any words in the bible.
Originally posted by Watts
I'm not trying to rain on your parade or judge but let's say the Bible is true, how can you possibly go behind it, and say, "bump what the Bible
says, I KNOW God will say its all good, come on"...?
Not really what I said, but if you prefer to think I did then so be it. The basic premise of my post was that, if there is a God, it's my OPINION
that being a good person would be the most important thing to him.
I'll make a metaphor relating to a job. One place I worked had "Improvement based raises" meaning how good of an employee you were wasn't
important, just that you improved.
If someone does an incredible job, and hits their quota 100% of the time from day one, they do not get a raise. On the other hand, if someone gets
hired, and slacks off, only meeting 50% of their quota, they will get a raise after 90 days if they start hitting 60% of their quota. This system
doesn't reward hard workers, it rewards people who play the system.
That is exactly how I see Christianity. It doesn't matter at all what you do. You can murder, rape, steal, etc but as long as you accept Jesus Christ
as your lord and savior and ask for forgiveness you'll be OK. It rewards people who play the system, not actually work hard to be good people.
So I never said that god would just say everything is "all good" I said he would think higher of people that actually strive to do good, not people
that just try and play the system. And since you accused me of putting words in the bible, which I didn't do, I'll call you out as well. You claim I
said "I KNOW...." Reading comprehension problems again? I laid out what I thought, and posted "MY OPINION" at the end. What's the problem?
Originally posted by Watts
Let's apply that logic to...oh I don't know... school:
"I know that the teacher said the test will be on chapter 5-10, but I didn't study those, I only studied 1-3. But since I know 1-3 so well, the
teacher is bound to see I at least studied something and give me an 'A' and let me pass because he's a cool awesome guy."
Ok. Mind if I use your metaphor as well? I'm going to tweak it a little so it reflects more accurately the situation.
You are in class on the first day of school. 23 teachers walk in. The first teacher tells you to read a certain book, chapters 1-3. The second teacher
tells you to read chapters 4-6. The third tells you to read an entirely different book.
On and on, each teacher assigns a different book and different chapters. Each teacher also says they will give you an "F" if you read anything other
than the book/chapters you were assigned. You have no idea who your real teacher is, and they all refuse to actually tell you. What are you supposed
to do? Even if it were possible to read all the books in the time you have, you were told you would be given an "F" if you read anything more than
the assigned chapter. So you read what you can, and get an "F" on the test.
Then the Principal (In this metaphor he would be god, if you didn't follow that) comes in, and tells you:
"I've removed the F from your test, because I can't understand how those teachers expected you to have any idea what to do, You read and learned
the best you could, good job"
Get it?
Originally posted by Watts
In the context of the discussion.... that's pretty dumb. ...and slightly childish.
Dumb and childish? Ok, whatever.
If you feel the concept of being a GOOD PERSON more important than following silly rituals to be CHILDISH and
DUMB, then I really do wish I hadn't wasted my time on you.
Originally posted by Watts
If the Rapture(a Christian concept) is real, why would God suddenly not take the faithful CHRISTIANS and disregard everything written in the Bible?
So many things to say here.
First of all, Christianity may be the only ones to say the actual words "Rapture" but they are FAR from the only religion to have the concept of a
day of judgment.
Second of all, you ask "Why would god.......?" Aren't Christians always saying God works in mysterious ways that we can't understand? So who are
you to question how he conducts himself at the end times? Maybe it's a test to see if people will blindly follow other people, and if they do, they
fail.
Third, what makes you think God would accept faithful Christians? The bible was written by the hand of MEN. Simple human beings capable of lying,
making things up, etc. Even if God actually spoke the words to be written down, that doesn't mean men wrote the word of god down correctly. Maybe the
bible's version of a faithful Christian is NOT what God actually wanted? You can't know for sure, that's my point.
Originally posted by Watts
Lol I know its your "opinion" but your logic in regards to the subject doesn't even make sense... and being caught up in the Rapture has nothing to
do with how much you attend church so not only are you making baseless assumptions, you're making assumptions without even having a grasp of the
subject you're making assumptions about.
Yes it is my opinion, and I think it makes perfect sense. Other people must think it makes sense (and agree with me on top of that) judging by the
fact my post received several stars.
As I already stated I'm talking about the general idea of a day of judgment, not the specific word for word scenario of "The Rapture" but even if I
was, how do you know the idea of "The Rapture" was not only correctly WRITTEN, but also correctly TRANSLATED?
As far as baseless assumptions, think what you will. The only assumptions I made were that God would save people for being good, not for being
Christians. That is an assumption, and I base it on the fact that God is supposed to be an all knowing, caring loving being. To me it makes a lot of
sense a being like that would care more about the quality of your life, than the title you put on yourself.
You claim I don't have a grasp of the subject? The subject is "The Rapture" which I have a decent grasp of. God saves the good and leaves the
wicked, correct? Not really a difficult concept.
The only actual question in your OP is "What if May 21st is the rapture" So I have you my response of what I think would happen if the 21st is the
rapture. How would you expect anyone to reply to your thread without making assumptions? It's not as if we can base things on facts here, we are
talking about religion, it's based on faith as religious people themselves admit, not facts. So ANYTHING anyone says will be an assumption.
Originally posted by Watts
This is man's problem now. We have this disgusting arrogance that makes us think that we can do whatever we want and the "rules", whether its in
school, the law etc., should bend in a way that doesn't make us out to be in the wrong. I don't mean to get so worked up but this kind of arrogance
annoys me because its so blatant and wrong.
I agree 100% that arrogance is a big problem with humans. The same arrogance that you display here. Pay yourself on the back. Your so arrogant to
think that you know for a fact that the stuff in ONE specific religious book is true, when there are other religious books that other people take just
as seriously, but YOU and only YOU are right. Pat yourself on the back again buddy. Good job.
You talk about the "rules" but where do they come from? As I already said, your holy book is far from the only holy book, and in fact is a NEWCOMER
to the whole religion scene. So you are displaying horrendous arrogance to be so sure YOU are the only one who is right, and MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of
other people who feel strongly about their religion are all wrong.
Which is why, I'll go back to my original post, where I say if God exists, he will understand the fact that there are so many different religions, so
many different books, and HUMANS have meddled and changed/added their own twist to EVERY one of them, that there is no way he could blame someone for
not following ONE specific religion. How are you supposed to know which one is right? You can't.
And if you think nothing has been changed in the bible, I have a bridge to sell you. The Bible is just a collection of stories. Church leaders (MEN,
regular HUMANS) are the ones that decided what to put into it. Why is the Book of Enoch not in the bible? Because MEN just decided to not put it in
there. God didn't decide to exclude it.
So if you can't see your own ignorance and arrogance regarding your post, then I don't know what to tell you.