What the Australian media is saying about the OBL killing ... may surprise you!

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by Redevilfan09
The one thing that really made me sick was watching an American women moving her finger across her neck like she was slitting someones throat, while listening to an American Negro singing, what you gonna do when Obama comes for you. Some people in that country are f**ked in the head.

It actually made me think it was staged it was that pathetic

edit on 4-5-2011 by Redevilfan09 because: (no reason given)

I take that as a racist statement and I am offended by that.

I demand an apology!

You take that as a racist statement? We get called white ******* all the time and you know what we do? Ignore it, because we have better things to do than worry about name calling etc. The post was directed at the people I seen on TV, not a particular race. White and Black were both there. Its a word, deal with it. I can use more racist words, but I'm not a racist. If it offends you, bad luck.

Hey guys you know what just popped into my head?

I was reading through these posts about which media is saying what... When a spark came into my head.

Does anyone remember Hilary Clinton a few months ago stating that America was losing the propaganda war to the likes of RN and AJ???

Could this whole charade be an attempt to force the ball back into their court?

I believe the mission was kill not capture from the get-go and I'm okay with that. OBL is a big boy. He knew what he was getting into with his war on America. He was killed for the same reason is body was dumped in the ocean. No shine. No living soundbox that could preach to his followers from behind bars. Mother natures can be a real bitch. Survival of the fittest.

Here in Australia on one of our TV channels a journalist at the alleged residence of Osama in Pakistan says there is little to no gunfire damage to the building and wait for this........it appears to be a girl's school!

They ordered his execution long ago, and this was public knowledge. It was a well known fact, they wanted him dead or alive. There was no imperative to try and be careful and keep him alive. This was never some sort of secret.

"Innocent till proven guilty"

That is a basic human right of a free world. I cannot believe that so many Americans posting on this website are so blind to believe that OBL had anything to do with the 911 attacks. He was a person used by the Americans power people to blame the "attack on america" on.

I was disgusted at the murder celebrations of someone they really know nothing about except what they hear in the media being murdered. It was cold blooded murder and nothing else.

We have seen from experience how the American power junkies like to portray their "catches" and then hang them in public.

The story is a complete hoax. They watched it happen and cant even get the story right. International media have seen the bull and are correct in their portrayal of this story as a fairytale and I appreciate the OP for posting the report.

Everyone has the right to be patrotic, I understand this better than anyone. But when thousands of innocent people are being killed in the name of your country, it is advisable to sit back and take stock of the real overall picture.

Osama Bin Laden was NEVER the real enemy of the USA.

Originally posted by ExCommando
What I am concerned about is the slippery slope that the US Government has started to slide down, and the apparent blood lust of the American people.

It raises the question - how are we better than them, if this is the way we react, and if these actions are deemed acceptable?

This is EXACTLY what I thought, and agree with. We should drop the ball at the feet of the opponent, not toss it back at its face; to deliver the necessary reaction but not wage war. Or else, endless cycle of revenge ensues.

A sophisticated nation should not be on a mission of revenge, but on a mission of showing what they did is not acceptable. I don't know who drew the first blood, but anyway.

I recall nearly the whole muslim world dancing in the streets when the twin towers fell, so if they don't like some Americans cheering in the streets, well, too damn bad.

As to Bin Laden, well, what goes around comes around.

See you in hell, #er.

Not surprised. I even agree that my nation needs to be more humble in the face of international law and agreements. However I do not see Osamas elemination as another case of the problem.

We WERE going to track him down and end him, one way or the other. I do not believe my nation would condemn you for doing the same had the tables been turned.

We have been trying to cooperate with Pakistan for a decade now on this issue and (true to well evidenced form) the ISI and military structure in Pakistan had been found to be unreliable at best, complicit at worst.

The breech of law is our violation of their sovereignty, which of course is the very shield that some members of their government agencies had obviously been using to enable their support of Taliban and Al Qeada interests within Pakistan. It isn't a happy coincidence that once we decided to exclude them from fore-knowledge of our operations we nailed him.

It was a must.

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they are Navy Seals...Theyre not suppose to be seen.

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Although there are few people that I could care less were dead...I none the less have to agree with you. It is indeed a slippery slope we Americans are on. This slope is one we have been sliding down for a along time, however....all the way back to the attempts to assassinate Castro by the CIA back in the 60-70's. Now days it just seems more in the forefront, and less behind the scenes....For instance our use of Drone Aircraft...which are admittedly being used in many cases for no other reason than to selectively assassinate specific individuals. Where 'fighting a war' ends and 'assassinating' begins is sometimes a hard thing to define...but I believe its something that needs to be defined, and defined very distinctly, else the 'slope' shall get more, and more slippery as time goes on. As for this particular instance of the death of Osama.....I am not shocked, as I thought it obvious he would never be taken alive....Neither am I shocked at Americans reaction to the news, which does not mean I agree with celebrating assassinations. Still I won't go so far as to jump to the conclusion of how he was killed...I think it very likely an assassination, yet I was not there, and simply do not know. I think his death and the publics reaction to it, nonetheless brings the issue of assassination into the forefront to be discussed, and I think this in itself is a very good thing.....Whether we are OK with the idea of assassinations or not is of course important, but at the very least we need to have a consistent policy on the matter, and not suggest we are against it, while at the same time doing it. It reminds me a bit of back when Bush was telling us that we don't torture, while at the exact same time it was quite obvious that we did. Hypocrisy is not good for anyone, and brings down both foreign nations view of our country, as well as the general publics view.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by ExCommando

 

The american bloodlust is media mainly. Don't believe everything you see
on tv friend.

I have yet to witness anyone mention joy over osama's alleged assassination
in person.

Which is why I think the events of May 1st on the media were contrived and planned far in advance. No one I know or have spoken too, or anyone even locally have 'celebrated' the death of the man. The news keeps showing people having a 'good ol time' over the situation, but everyone I see is somber and respectful here in Texas...and I travel ALOT for business around the state. I'm based in Austin and there havent been any celebrations I've seen, nore in Houston or Dallas.

Originally posted by MyMindIsMyOwn
I know I am a late comer to this thread, and I'm sure that this has been posted several times already here, but I would like to thank the OP for this thread..... it is important I think, for us Americans to see just how we are preceived in the eyes of the rest of the world. I also want to thank the OP for the careful way it was posted and not coming right out with another US basing thread. Well done, friend.

I watched with a certain amount of disqust as my fellow countrymen cheered at the news of the death of OBL....while we condemned the very same actions by other world citizens after 9/11 and watched in utter horror as Somalians danced and cheered when they shot down one of our helicopters. I see these actions by some of my countrymen as hypocritical, which I unfortunately believe is exactly one of the discriptions tagged to the US by many in other countries.

Do I blame them for seeing my country in such an ill light? No, I do not. We've done this to ourselves and we deserve what disdain is thrown in our direction. I would have thought we, collectively, would have acted with a little more couth and decorum.

Tell me other world citizens, where there mass crowds of frenzied populous cheering and such in your countries? Britain? Spain? Your citizens were murdered just like ours in the name of terror. Did you have masses cheering in the streets at the death of OBL? If there were, we did not see them here plastered all over our TVs, but I'm fairly well certain you all bore witness to ours. For my country, please allow me to extend my sincerest apologies as for a long time now we have not given you much reason to see us in the best light.

One may get the idea here that I am not in favor of any actions to rid the world of groups with intent to do harm, to any of us in any country. This is not the case. I've no love lost for OBL, AQ or Taliban or any other hate group who's sole purpose is to inflict harm to anyone. However, while I am concerned about what happens now with these groups I am much more concerned about the terrorists right here in my own country, and I'm not referring to sleeper cells.

The World English Dictionary defines a terrorist as this:

a. a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon

And the definition of terrorism as this:

1. systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal

Now I ask, how could the US not be seen in the eyes of the rest of the world any differently than OBL? So go ahead my fellow countrymen, fill your hearts with pride and joy that we got the 'boogey-man'. Just please do not get too outraged when the rest of the world cheers when this once proud, distinguished and respected nation is brought to it's knees and put in it's place.

Great post, and thank you for understanding the heart of my post.

Some people seem to think this is either

1. a US bashing
2. me not understanding that OBL and AQ are a terrorist organisation and need punishment
3. the US has a "right" to be happy about murder

It's a shame, that even on this site where I think people should have a higher emotional intelligence, there are still some people who quickly jump to their feet, and applaud the murder of a human being - regardless of who the person is.

I remember hearing a story from a fellow SF operator after we had been in the field (he was from a different unit) - they had been involved in a firefight, and one of his junior men had told him that he wanted to piss on the bodies of those they had fought.

The operator said no, and the junior was unhappy - the operator told the junior that he didn't care what happened to the dead body - he cared about the emotional and psychological ramifications for the junior operator if he were to do this.

This is the purpose and intent of my thread - the way one (being individual or country) reacts to a major event has ramifications and consequences, both for the psyche and also on a strategic and tactical level.

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Im am glad to hear that you as an ex SF australian serving in Afghanistan are appalled by the bloodlust that america seems to have as I always hope that our men are not behaving badly with that same out of control deranged lust that seems to overcome some of the american young men .
We in Australia have a pride in our ANZACS and our fathers and grandfathers honourable behaviour in the previous senseless WW .
We wish that this honourable behaviour continues in spite of the bad programming that the younger generation have recieved via the modern media .

And yes we australians have an affection for the americans but we are increasingly annoyed by their bullish behaviour . We want them to return to their more nicer older values that was America. Hmm...well this is a general statement as one could pick that apart ...same here in OZ ...but you understand the underlaying value systems that are needed in progressive societies .

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Who cares what Australia or any other country thinks we killed the face of terror,there just jealous they was not in on the kill..I don't care if he was planting daisies in his garden and they walked up and blew his brains out..He deserved it unlike the innocent people who have been beheaded or the 3000+ Americans from 9/11..Good riddance...

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Originally posted by NetStorm

Originally posted by dwmjr1985
reply to post by ExCommando

 

Don't you know.. The United States doesn't have to follow international law, much like the soviet union when they where taking over the world. Who is going to stand up to the United States. By the way Australia and New Zealand.. two of my favorite countries... Hope to immigrate to one of them soon.

Perhaps you should read this...

www.meforum.org...

And I challenge ANYONE here, to take 10 minutes, and simply imagine...."your sitting at home and a call comes in/a knock on the door /a friend rushes to your house /a news flash on your tv I¨m sorry -insert your name here- but your wife,husband,child,father,mother WHOEVER you hold dear has been killed tell me you do not, will not feel anger, and then when,if they kill the person,persons who did it, you DO NOT FEEL RELIEF,SATISFACTION and even JOY that the person who CHANGED YOUR LIFE FOREVER is dead.

You're missing my point entirely. The subject of the post is the worlds perception on American's reaction to the murder of OBL.

The post is about discussing human mortality - American has, for many years, proclaimed itself as the benchmark that all other nations should adhere towards in respect to human rights, and the "right way" of doing things.

Was this the right way? Does this abide by international law?

Get real, balls to political correctness, kill this guy, show him the same respect he showed the his ideological bolocks showed thousands. These people don't do deals, they live to kill and implant Sharia. I hope thousands more of these buttock lickers die, because regardless, they only want to kill you and your kids.

Originally posted by mrmmo
Poor OBL boohoo..He got what he deserved. If he had killed 3000+ people including children in AUS would you have offered him a cookie and a warm meal for his efforts? My uncle died in the twin Tower attacks. I didn't want to see OBL keep running his network and keep killing more people. When he was killed he had more warning then many of the 3000+ people he had slaughtered.

I'm sure my post will be removed to protect the faint hearts that can't handle that the great patriot bin laden did not get a fair trial.

Sick.

I'm glad this post wasn't removed - but I wish you had the intelligence to read my previous posts.

I never said we should offer OBL cookies and cream, and you're either retarded or blind to get that message from my posts.

It's a shame that people, like you, are so easily swayed and blindly led.

I would bet that anybody who lost a friend or family member, was not dancing in the streets like a bunch of morons.

Anyone that lost a friend or family member, may have a sense of closure, or may not because of the suspicious circumstances. And I'm talking about no evidence presented, and the supposed quick burial at sea.

Yeah, ok, let me get this straight, the U.S. will torture you until you die, even though torture may be against your core beliefs, but for Osama, they had to dispose of his body right away "in accordance with Islamic law".

Give me a break.

We all want the truth, but some fools, think that the government is going to tell the truth.

I wasn't dancing in the street, because I have my doubts that Osama lived this long.

And it is morbid, to celebrate the dearth of an individual.

But consider this, What would you do, if someone killed your family member? And from what I saw, the people in the streets celebrating had no personal connection to 911.

What a freakin' sad society.