What the Australian media is saying about the OBL killing ... may surprise you!

"No offense meant to americans, I love you guys, and my gf is from Wisconsin. But even as a canadian, hearing about people celebrating and dancing in the streets because of the death of one man is a little sickening".

A little sickening you say. What is sickening is the holier than thou statements about American blood lust. Let's see, over 3000 of our innocent citizens murdered. Defenseless Americans beheaded on You Tube with their hands tied behind their backs, the vicious rape of an American female reporter. All by Muslim extremists who would do anything to an American no matter how brutal. And lets not forget these are the same people that strap explosives to a 12 year old to kill innocent "infidels" The rest of the world needs to get a grip. OBL and his ilk are a cancer on this world and need to be eliminated. You can't reason with a radical or a disease So..... Bang Bang!!!!! EKIA

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

Originally posted by Ashyr
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

i think you mean TRAITOR?


yes but then no one would TRADE with you. lol

Any way, stop trading secrets with the enemies and stop letting them trade information with you as if they really care what’s going on over in this great democratic country we live in… Stop listing to the out side traders of the world as if what they are trading really matters to us, as if they are not built to trade thoughts so you can be a traitor to your government.

When oil hits 200.00 a barrel......they will stop trading with them. Around that time is when the American dollar will be abandoned by most countries and the Middle East will be left stranded with billions in literal monopoly money as per the deal in the 70's with Henry Kissenger, Jimmy Carter and the (then) just starting out oil tycoons of the middle east. They will get duped by America and America knew it all along. That's why America told them to invest in our debts and treasuries, and America would make them wealthy beyond their dreams. They kept up with their end of the bargain....both of them, but doing business with America is like doing business with the devil...you get what you want but there is always a higher price in the end for the devil.

"It's like when you make a deal with the devil for enough gold for life....and then you end up with a golden head." - Hank Hill (King of the Hill)

Originally posted by zazzafrazz

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
IF I WAS PRESIDENT, I WOULD PUT ALL OF YOU IN GUANTANAMO BAY FOR BEING TRADERS TO YOUR COUNTRY AS YOU MOCK OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND LISTEN TO FOREIGN OPINION .’’

1ST DEGREE; ESPIONAGE.
1ST DEGREE BEING A JUDAS.
1ST AND 2ND DEGREE ON BETRAYEL OF YOUR COUNTRY.
1ST 2ND AND 3RD DEGREE FOR BEING A TRADER.

I WONDER WHAT’S WORST, A TERRORIST OR A TRADER OF THE USA?

edit on 4-5-2011 by Immortalgemini527 because: (no reason given)

I generally dont engage people who yell in caps lock and can't spell (worse than me and thats saying something) Traitor., not trader...anyhooo that's nitpicking you....
How can Australians be considered traitors when they aren't Americans? Are you that naive and uneducated?

Australians are engaged in war in Afghanistan and Iraq and have been recipients of terrorism when many of us were targeted and murdered in the Bali Bombings, purely for our support of the US. Australias alliance with the US is hardly under question or scrutiny, we have blindly folllowed and done as we are told

I will address the OP,

The SMH article, isnt indicative of the news reports, Watching and reading pretty much all of it, it is post scripted and sourced from US media and AP reuters, and really I can see barely any difference what the Australian media is feeding the populace compared to what the US outlets are feeding everyone.

To be honest, Its cut and paste CNN

yea yea yea ,very short read ,i stopped at 'How can Australians be considered traitors when they aren't Americans?'
When did i ever say they was traiters?
i said traders of info,WTF
TRADERS OF FALSE PERCEPTION.
TRADERS OF FALSE INFORMATION.
I NEVER SAID THEY WAS TRAITERS !!!
LIL OINKER

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


as for the OP and how are we better?

"We" are better because "we" only kill you after you've killed 3000+ of us and sworn to keep on killing "us" forever and a day.



hahahahahahahahaha, thats why you arent any better than a dirty terrorist.
You and people who think like you.

Since when has "eye for an eye" ever been reasonable in society.
No examples huh???

(Hint) ITS NOT ACCEPTABLE!

What about when America was bombing the middle east before Osama Bin Laden was ever involved in Terrorism?
What about all the family's who lost loved ones in the Middle East who had no part at all in Terrorist actions.

These are the points you forget my friend, now if you want to have an " He started it first arguement" i could go all day.

Point is America is a terrible country with even crappier leaders, who for Decades have invaded other countries for their resources and use force, not negotiations , to achieve their goals.

America will be getting nuked IMO so gear up ladies and gents.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Perhaps you shouldn't stop reading.
Engage in learning a little about the media reporting here. Its not as that one OP article presents.
And stop yelling, you sound like a petulant child.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
IF I WAS PRESIDENT, I WOULD PUT ALL OF YOU IN GUANTANAMO BAY FOR BEING TRADERS TO YOUR COUNTRY AS YOU MOCK OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND LISTEN TO FOREIGN OPINION .’’

If you were President you wouldn't use all caps. You can't put Americans in foreign prisons. I think the word you are looking for is "traitor." What accomplishments are being mocked? Ever heard of freedom of Speech?

1ST DEGREE; ESPIONAGE.
1ST DEGREE BEING A JUDAS.
1ST AND 2ND DEGREE ON BETRAYEL OF YOUR COUNTRY.
1ST 2ND AND 3RD DEGREE FOR BEING A TRADER.

You really shouldn't charge people with non-existant crimes.

I WONDER WHAT’S WORST, A TERRORIST OR A TRADER OF THE USA?

I personally think Wall Street traders are beneath the scum of the earth. Wait a second! You're George W. Bush aren't you? You belong with the terrorists.

If you move quickly you can erase this drivel so it won't haunt you in the future.

I'm definitely no fan of OBL either, but to say that "he was making threatening moves so we had to shoot him" is definitely questionable.

I'm wondering what sort of threatening moves a sick (by all accounts) 54 year old unarmed man could have made towards a heavily armed, heavily trained group of 40 special forces SEALS that could have made them think that their lives were in so much danger that they had no option but to shoot to kill (not even shoot to wound)?

The Attorney General of the USA said this morning that "the fact that an unarmed man didn't surrender when asked gives us the option to kill him". With the attorney general giving a quote like this, this sets a very dangerous precedent for law enforcement in the USA.

Can you imagine cops going into a criminals home, shooting to kill once the order to surrender has been given and refused? Regardless of whether said person is armed or not?

I would say that this killing definitely broke the rules of warfare, rules of engagement of an enemy, and likely several other internationally recognized rules of attack., possibly even in so much as the person who ordered (and the people who carried out) the attack (aka Obama and SEALS) could be construed as war criminals, not heroes.

Just because the subject of such a killing is extremely unpopular doesn't make it a morally or ethically correct decision.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
LIL OINKER

edit on 4-5-2011 by Immortalgemini527 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by zazzafrazz


The US and Australia have had tight military bonds sense world war 2, and if i remember correctly, you guys where helping us out in Vietnam even.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Understandable about Australians taking part in afghan and all but it still wasn't your president who made the decision to eliminate Osama, it was ours. So tell your fellow Aussies to be happy for us and thank the fact that the poorly criticized faulty Obama took action. I am an American and being one feels cooler than being Australian would right now. And I can have a coors light while watching CNN and laughing at political BS, because in the end the world is just beautiful. peace.

Originally posted by dwmjr1985
reply to post by zazzafrazz

 

The US and Australia have had tight military bonds sense world war 2, and if i remember correctly, you guys where helping us out in Vietnam even.

This statement is correct.
So it kinda gets me a little zingy when people say we are traitors, and aren't supporting the US.
We are great buds. Even if we hate most of the decisions that millitalry come out with there.
Australia and the US are as tight as allies as you can pretty much get.

Whether one agrees with it or not, that allegience should not be questioned...especially by idiots.

Another American here in reply....and many thanks to the OP for this thread! Read all twelve pages of responses, and it relieves me greatly to see many fellow Americans having similar reactions to my own...I do not lament OBL's(alleged) death; nor am I dancing in the streets.

Nor have I seen any such thing, or even heard of it, aside from the reports of the MSM. And...given the general anti-MSM attitude of most ATS members, I have been dumbfounded by the way some seem to toss that principle right out the window as long as the MSM is depicting Americans negatively...but that seems to be mostly absent from this thread as well, and it does make me feel a bit better.

Now, I suppose, I should attempt to absolve myself of responsibility for the actions of my country's government...perhaps by claiming "I didn't vote for these guys" or "the whole system is rigged", or any number of others. Well...no. I will not. As a person who--however naive it may seem to many--has always believed in the idea of my country...I have at the same time spent every moment of my life in a state of general disgusted disappointment with the whole governmental apparatus at every level. The difference between what we as a nation could be and what we actually are has grown exponentially larger. And I have been aware of it, because I have been bitching about it for years. But I did nothing. So I will not try and shed my part of the responsibility here...I think Americans have done quite enough of that in the past few decades.

So to my fellow Americans, I ask: Why are we fighting each other in these "partisan conflicts"? It is as contrived a war as any other. No matter which party gets elected, we get more of the same. Those of us who thought we "won" are quickly disabused of the notion in the form of a deluge of broken promises. Those of us who "lost" shuffle off muttering, and spend four years being obnoxious while planning how to "win" next time, forgetting that the last time we "won" we were shown to be suckers. Ridiculous. Really! We pay these people's paychecks! WE ARE EMPLOYING THESE PEOPLE! Would you keep an employee who was as sneaky, treacherous, lying, swindling, etc. as our elected "officials"? Hell no. And most of us are not murderous jackbooted thugs either, nor do I think our military is. But military and "foreign policy" decisions that are made by demonstrably unscrupulous men whose primary concerns are their "personal legacy", their total net worth, and CYA, have damaged us in so many ways. It's gotta stop, or whatever is left of the "American Dream" will soon unravel and disappear into the past. I've never been much concerned with a personal legacy of my own, but I am not wild about going down in history as a member of the generation who played Xbox 360 while my country was ripped apart by jackals in human skin. And I am as stung by "USA Bashing" as anyone--but when we are accused of being a country of bumbling idiots, I am disarmed of any legitimate verbal defense by the large proportion of Americans online who cannot spell 75% of the four-letter-words they are so fond of using. We are laughed at for being largely monolingual. A better description of many of us would be ZEROlingual. All of the time, research, money, and infrastructure we have expended in better and faster and farther-reaching communications networks, for what? Many Americans simply cannot communicate. Japanese schoolkids are better at our language than we are. Our schools suck, because they are controlled by the same people who have made everything else suck.


....whew.

I need a smoke break. I have more to say, particularly to people in countries presently/formerly allied with the US....but it will have to be later. Maybe tonight, maybe not, it's getting late and I gotta work in the morning...somebody's gotta pay the taxes around here.

I want to make something VERY CLEAR to the rest of the world as I am an American citizen, born and raised in Texas. We aren't all parading around like it's a national "F"ing holiday about this news... When I first heard about this on Monday morning radio while driving to work, my first reaction was "okay so they finally got his ass"... But when I heard about people celebrating in the streets and Obama saying it's a great day for America and god was on our side and whatnot, it made me sick to think that this is how we're reacting to someone being executed regardless of the fact that he was a cold hearted murderer. This isnt what America is supposed to be about... This isnt how the American president is supposed to break news to the public and it's not something to celebrate IMO...

What really gets me about this whole situation is I've now started to really wonder, what makes America any different than some of these other "F"ed up countries where the govt is in complete control of and do as they please whenever the hell they want. Now our president can give "Kill" orders and people are happy about it? What is the hell is this country coming to?

reply to post by osirys


I can tell you I was bit annoyed seeing people in the streets cheering myself (mostly college students who usually ALWAYS think they know more and know whats right all the time.)

Being a home grown american myself (pennsylvania), I thought it made us look like those barbarians after 09/11 cheering for the destruction of deaths of not only innocent Americans, as well as visitors to our country. I can agree to, its more of how the MSM wanted to portray it. I have not personally run into any "celebrations"
anywhere. I might get someone mention it, but its more like, "can you believe they finally found him" comments.

I can only understand any cheering from: people directly effected by 09/11 (lost family and friends) family of troops, and our military who has been in a long drawn out war and ready to just "come home".

I also believe, (hard for me to admit this), more credit should be given to or a nod to GWB. Obama is just wreaking the rewards (praise) for something GWB started and worked on.

I also wanted to add I agree with the poster above me. I thought "big whoop, about time" when i heard they finally got him as well. I also think its in very poor taste that Obama do a victory lap at ground zero.

Originally posted by babybunnies
I'm definitely no fan of OBL either, but to say that "he was making threatening moves so we had to shoot him" is definitely questionable.

I'm wondering what sort of threatening moves a sick (by all accounts) 54 year old unarmed man could have made towards a heavily armed, heavily trained group of 40 special forces SEALS that could have made them think that their lives were in so much danger that they had no option but to shoot to kill (not even shoot to wound)?

The Attorney General of the USA said this morning that "the fact that an unarmed man didn't surrender when asked gives us the option to kill him". With the attorney general giving a quote like this, this sets a very dangerous precedent for law enforcement in the USA.

Can you imagine cops going into a criminals home, shooting to kill once the order to surrender has been given and refused? Regardless of whether said person is armed or not?

I would say that this killing definitely broke the rules of warfare, rules of engagement of an enemy, and likely several other internationally recognized rules of attack., possibly even in so much as the person who ordered (and the people who carried out) the attack (aka Obama and SEALS) could be construed as war criminals, not heroes.

Just because the subject of such a killing is extremely unpopular doesn't make it a morally or ethically correct decision.

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Quoated your entire post because I think you make some great points, which I more or less agree with. I don't think killing him was the best 'choice', but I also think that much of the speculation you and I are engaging in is monday morning QB.

Think for a moment, what the moment must have been like. Split-second decisions. Night vision, People shooting. You have a fraction of a second to make the call and shoot, or wait and see if he has a weapon. You arent there to deliver a pizza.

Like I said, I think killing him brings a LOT of questions out, concerning rules of engagement, rule of law, etc. But to question the SEALS decision in a tense moment seems naive.

I suppose it's easy for one nation to look foolish to another. But we should remember that terrorism (unlike traditional warfare) is based upon instilling fear--an omnipresent fear that lurks. Terrorism makes no distinction between combatant and noncombatant. The innocents are killed without remorse.

9/11, 7/7, Bali--just to name a few terrorist attacks. How many were killed? How many innocents?

For what? The resurrection of the Caliphate? Power, not religion. An empire (presumably to replace the American and European empires the terrorists so despise).

Let those who have been terrorized by power-mad insane violence dance, let them sing. It is their only weapon against the insanity, the terror. A song, even a poor one, can be a little victory.

So don't judge them too harshly--or at least judge them (if you must) side by side those who perpetrate the terror.

Coda: When the mongols sacked Baghdad in the 1250s, they sewed the last caliph up on a rug and trampled him to paste with their horses. So that the holy man's blood would not be shed on the ground. Then they razed the city. Some say it has never recovered.

Originally posted by w3thepatient
reply to post by ExCommando

 

i thought of this quote commando after reading your original post.
"the principle of universality: if an action is right (or wrong) for others, it is right (or wrong) for us. Those who do not rise to the minimal moral level of applying to themselves the standards they apply to others plainly cannot be taken seriously when they speak of appropriateness of response; or of right and wrong, good and evil."
Noam Chomsky

ex pus here

A navy man that refers to himself as a pusser - wonders never cease to amaze

I love the comment, pretty much strikes to the heart of what I have been trying to say.

To those young children who are coming on here, trying to hijack the thread with comments such as

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527 IF I WAS PRESIDENT, I WOULD PUT ALL OF YOU IN GUANTANAMO BAY FOR BEING TRADERS TO YOUR COUNTRY AS YOU MOCK OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND LISTEN TO FOREIGN OPINION .’’

Shame on you. Seriously, shame - you are a fool, and you are wasting everyones time spurting this dribble. Spend the night researching current political and world events, and you may then have something worthwhile to contribute to this thread.

As it is, you are embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by ExCommando
It raises the question - how are we better than them, if this is the way we react, and if these actions are deemed acceptable?

As an American, I fully agree with you. It's disgraceful the way many in this country behaved exactly the way they so hypocritically detest when others do.

Originally posted by TheTruthCqer
reply to post by zazzafrazz

 

Understandable about Australians taking part in afghan and all but it still wasn't your president who made the decision to eliminate Osama, it was ours. So tell your fellow Aussies to be happy for us and thank the fact that the poorly criticized faulty Obama took action. I am an American and being one feels cooler than being Australian would right now. And I can have a coors light while watching CNN and laughing at political BS, because in the end the world is just beautiful. peace.

Perhaps I will reiterate what I said

That article is NOT indicative of Australian sentiment.
The news here otherwise is pretty much word for word what you are having reported.
Most Australians are pleased he is dead....as pleased as one can be surrounding the circumstances and legalities in general.
Most Australians are happy for the US and for themselves, we got terrorized by him too remember.

What I am saying is don't get cool towards Aussies for one article.

This is misrepresenting in my opinion general consensus here, however everyone does have a different opinion, and they are welcome to express it.