Disclosure seekers are hypocrites?

Something recently caught my attention regarding possible UFO Disclosure by the US Government. Before Obama made the announcement of Bin Laden's demise, there were a few people, even on this website, giddy with anticipation that disclosure could finally be happening. I find it odd that the same people who distrust the government to the extent they believe the government has been covering up alien/UFO information for decades would suddenly do a 180 and trust them for 'revealing the truth' about aliens and UFOs.

That kind of behavior indicates to me that these people are NOT in seek of the truth, but rather something to reinforce their beliefs of alien intervention on our planet, beliefs they are often unwilling to consider may be erroneous. In my opinion, either you trust the government on the issue of aliens and UFOs, or you don't, anything else would be hypocritical, and nothing but a pursuit to satisfy your own ego/belief system.

Expecting disclosure from a government you don't trust is self-defeating, wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by namine

Expecting disclosure from a government you don't trust is self-defeating, wouldn't you say?

You make a valid point. I guess it would depend on how the disclosure came. If the gov't just announced ET exist with no proof other than because they said so then your point is valid. If, however, they back it up with physical proof then there is not way to doubt.

reply to post by taccj9903


And how would they need to announce they have no definitive proof of alien visitation in order to convince 'believers' they are telling the truth?

there are a lot of people out there that just want it to be true. I'm not passing judgement or expressing my personal belief in any way about E.T. life, I just wish some people would take it more seriously. Some people need to take it less seriously at the same time though. If there is intelligent life out there, it will make its self known when the time is right. Our government couldn't contain something as big as E.T. life visiting us.

now thats an interesting take on things! You made some good points

Originally posted by namine
reply to post by taccj9903

 

And how would they need to announce they have no definitive proof of alien visitation in order to convince 'believers' they are telling the truth?

If they announced ET exists but didn't provide any proof (hypothetically say National Security BS) I guess each person would have to decide if they believe it or not.

Now if Obama held hands with ET on the Whitehouse lawn and made the announcement there would be no denying it.

reply to post by BlueLightRain


I'm one of those people who would love for it to be true too but as you said, it's unlikely the government could contain something like that for years.

reply to post by taccj9903


I understand the point you're making...I was asking the opposing question. How would they need to say 'we don't have any proof of alien visitation' in order for people to believe them ?

reply to post by fireysnowman29


Thanks!

I suppose I can make valid points from time to time,

Originally posted by namine
reply to post by taccj9903

 

I understand the point you're making...I was asking the opposing question. How would they need to say 'we don't have any proof of alien visitation' in order for people to believe them ?

Ok I get your question now, sorry it's been a long night. I don't think people would ever believe the gov't regardless of what they said. I guess the only thing they could do would be to allow complete transparency. Open up all classified files, open the doors to places like Area 51 etc. I'm sure that would quiet many who ride the fence but hard core conspiracy theorists would never be appeased.

Originally posted by taccj9903

Originally posted by namine
reply to post by taccj9903

 

I understand the point you're making...I was asking the opposing question. How would they need to say 'we don't have any proof of alien visitation' in order for people to believe them ?

Ok I get your question now, sorry it's been a long night. I don't think people would ever believe the gov't regardless of what they said. I guess the only thing they could do would be to allow complete transparency. Open up all classified files, open the doors to places like Area 51 etc. I'm sure that would quiet many who ride the fence but hard core conspiracy theorists would never be appeased.

Hm, the problem with that is you'll have people searching for evidence that might not be there. Who's to say the classified files you're talking about even exist? There are also things the government must keep confidential for national security purposes.

It has been a long night and I appreciate your input to the discussion.

reply to post by namine


A very valid point...
It seems the hypocrisy is everywhere... it's ridiculous..
People please Faction.. There has always been "the dark side of the force" ..
WE MUST ALIGN! TO THE LIGHT!
The light = Good God Happy Bunnies and Rainbow Fairies that shoot laser beams at bad guys..
The Dark? bad bad God... No description for omfgwtfnoway purposes

Therefore information from Bad Guys = Bad.. So don't take it.. Haven't you noticed how the "Bad" guys always try to offer you something really fake like this "perfect" lifestyle of being #1 hero lets give a round of a applause? But to have this you gotta do something for them?? It's like, we craft their dreams and they get the credit.. and they get to say who uses what toy.. and when.. and why.. like a bully..
Information from Good guys = Guidance, Information, Beings with Souls, Love, Connections, Friendship, Knowledge, Healing, Light... they're real, doesn't hate, appreciates, tries help a dude out, doesn't try shady #, tries to understand the deeper side of a dude, and not what they can do for you, Picks u Up instead of dragging you Down...

to align, you must choose the characteristics.. Just align damnit!

It's like they're in Broadway... I vote for before every Epic moment of politics, there should be a Tri Star Pictures Movie intro, followed by a Grammy after shtf.. You guys saw that CSpan thing? and the Pres announcing OBL's death? I was like *drinks soda.. smacks lips, eats popcorn, looooll!! , repeat*

I'm in disbelief on how insane it is... It's all... Insane! Japan!? Anyone!?

My god it's like it all links up to 1 little ass part of this extremely big puzzle called Life..

I just wonder, how the hell are we gonna get out of ALL of this?

Better start believing in Angels again my freng..

reply to post by heavenlysouldier


O...kay. I'm not sure I understand the entirety of your post but I'm all for Good God Happy Bunnies and Rainbow Fairies too.

Align to the left, got it. To the left, to the left.

When you say bad guys, I assume you are talking about the government? Who are the good guys? Who's information should we be trusting?

The fact of the matter is, it is not the case that there are many who believe now, or ever did, that Obama, or any relatively fresh world leader, would make disclosure a reality. The reality of the situation is thus:

No government would benifit from the people it governs , finding out that decades of lies have been told unto them, nor that secrets have been kept from them using thier own money to fund such an enormous obsfucation. Therefore, disclosure at government level is extremely unlikely .
The only way a government would ever disclose about this subject, is if it were a government made up of genuine people, not processed politicians and gormless suits with dollar signs for eyes, and no souls. Its not happening this side of world war three people. Its just not happening. Until the people rule, until government is TRUELY an extention of the will of the people, in all lands on Earth, there will be no disclosure.

reply to post by namine


I have asked the same question myself to disclosure threads.
Would you believe them if they say that aliens are here among us?

I'm a believer myself,but a disclosure coming from any goverment would trigger my inner peranoid alarm.I have said it before,for me the perfect disclosure won't come from the goverment,but from the ETs themselves.

Before Obama made the announcement of Bin Laden's demise, there were a few people, even on this website, giddy with anticipation that disclosure could finally be happening.

I don't understand this.Why someone assumes that everytime Obama is about to make an announcement,he will talk aboput ETs?

I wouldn't call them hypocrites.Some people are just tired of waiting for the proof everyone is asking.Even a disclosure from someone you don't trust is enough to stop the name calling(crazy,delusional etc) and all the bashing.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I agree to an extent. There's also the possibility disclosure will never happen because the government, good or bad, doesn't have the info 'believers' so desperately want them to have. It would then appear 'believers' are forever bound to the secrecy of an 'evil government', and the government is forever doomed to the distrust of 'believers'.

reply to post by Phantom traveller


I share your sentiments. I don't know why people would assume every speech is about ETs either, perhaps it's an obsessive compulsion ? I think your last point about accepting government disclosure alludes to the notion they are not out for truth, but only for themselves. Unfortunately you run the risk of being called crazy and delusional when you're willing to believe something so far out there without proper evidence.

The whole argument of Disclosure is flawed. It pre-supposes the "take-me-to-your-leader" concept.

Any beings (whether physical or inter-dimensional) do not need to go through political procedures. Contact is direct. The govt. does not know any more than we do. However they keep the myth alive.

reply to post by namine


It's not like that, they were hoping that the government would FINALLY come clean. And it would be hard to keep a lie going with other alien civilizations backing it up. They wouldn't be able to pull that off.

I've seen some things in this world, not just flying, that I couldn't identify. Though I think I would be less likely to believe there was alien life here if I heard it from the government. I would seriously question how intelligent another being was if their first choice for contact was the United States Government.