Controlling a dream, is it possible? and how?

Well still not managed to do this a second time but I will say i am able to recall my dreams much much easier now which is still kinda fun. I am keeping a journal.

One thing that is really eluding me is even though I am starting to see patterns in my dreams I dont notice them while I am dreaming. Hard to explain One in paticular is my wife keeps saying strange things in my dreams. This keeps reoccuring yet I never realise this in my dream to take control.

Anyway I will keep up the reality checks and keep recording my dreams and keep trying.

P.S when you guys started doing this did you find your dreams getting more wacky? or is it just that I am remembering them and they were always wacky ?

Peace

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It's more that you are remembering them more often....

Remember this...you are not really remembering something which is physical. Normal human 'waking' experience is far different than non-physical (dream or astral). Don't use normal human terms to try and explain these events.

Think of it this way. Everything you 'see' or experience is a metaphor. Your active metaphors will actually change the more you understand and the more experience you gain. The same experience will look/feel different because you have changed through time and experience. Therefore your metaphors will expand and begin to convey more and more data as well as being more accurate.

If you would like more information on the actual nature and structure of this reality I recommend a web seminar by PhD physicist Thomas Campbell. He has studied this in and out of The Monroe Institute for 30 years or more.
Link: Thomas Campbell Hawaii seminar

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
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It's more that you are remembering them more often....

Remember this...you are not really remembering something which is physical. Normal human 'waking' experience is far different than non-physical (dream or astral). Don't use normal human terms to try and explain these events.

Think of it this way. Everything you 'see' or experience is a metaphor. Your active metaphors will actually change the more you understand and the more experience you gain. The same experience will look/feel different because you have changed through time and experience. Therefore your metaphors will expand and begin to convey more and more data as well as being more accurate.

If you would like more information on the actual nature and structure of this reality I recommend a web seminar by PhD physicist Thomas Campbell. He has studied this in and out of The Monroe Institute for 30 years or more.
Link: Thomas Campbell Hawaii seminar

edit on 23-5-2011 by Spirit Warrior 11:11 because: >>>> Added Link

Thanks I will check it out

i have started lucid dreaming recently aswell usally fly in my dreams every night. weirdest thing to do is to try and acknowledge my real body while i walk round in a dream state i just recently moved and i had a dream the other night were i went back to my old home and layed in my old bed the experience started overloading my brain felt at to places at a time could even wake up

Originally posted by tdrowe2010
i have started lucid dreaming recently aswell usally fly in my dreams every night. weirdest thing to do is to try and acknowledge my real body while i walk round in a dream state i just recently moved and i had a dream the other night were i went back to my old home and layed in my old bed the experience started overloading my brain felt at to places at a time could even wake up

I have only acheived this lucity once, and it is th reason I want to learn hot to do it more frequently so bad. It was truely one of the most amazing things I have ever experienced.

It must have been a strange experience going back to your old house and sleeping in your old bed in your dream.

I havent managed lucidity again but my dream recall is getting very good at this stage.

reply to post by tempest501


Don't forget to set your intention to remain conscious while the body sleeps...use affirmations.
This is by far the most important step.

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Lucid dreaming isnt considered *in technicality* "Dreaming" its a trance that affects your body the same as sleep, You get the slowed down heart rate, yata yata, But its just your Immagination Booming because your sences are shut off. (Easiest way to explain that would be REM sleep while being awake but w/o the freaky "im being abducted or raped or eaten by a ghost" feeling and not having ur eyes open.)

Originally posted by Solsthime331
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Lucid dreaming isnt considered *in technicality* "Dreaming" its a trance that affects your body the same as sleep, You get the slowed down heart rate, yata yata, But its just your Immagination Booming because your sences are shut off. (Easiest way to explain that would be REM sleep while being awake but w/o the freaky "im being abducted or raped or eaten by a ghost" feeling and not having ur eyes open.)

I would not classify this as having your senses 'off'. This is a limiting concept and the Buddhist in me will go further...we have senses that are received by our consciousness on a level other than physical. Not only that but we use these non-physical senses while we are awake as well.

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yeah i was just trying to dumb it down a bit. my original awnser would have been huge on how to achieve this almost all the time and the focous needed and all the other things.

This stuff is really intresting, dont think I have been this intrested ina subject in a long time. Cant wait to repeat the process but I am genuinely enjoying having such good dream recall too.

Just really struggling to gain awareness in a dream, even tho my dreams seem to be gettign wackier by the day lol

peace

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In my opinion it is far more beneficial to have excellent dream recall than it is to have lucid dreams. Anything accomplished in a lucid dream can be done, possibly more effectively, through focused meditation and visualization.
The real benefit is that you may bring messages back from dreams.

So really, you are already successful.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
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In my opinion it is far more beneficial to have excellent dream recall than it is to have lucid dreams. Anything accomplished in a lucid dream can be done, possibly more effectively, through focused meditation and visualization.
The real benefit is that you may bring messages back from dreams.

So really, you are already successful.

Thank you.

Really hope I can get control again now and again. The thought of being able to sit with Loved ones that are not around anymore and things like that really appeal to me.

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In that case I recommend Bruce Moen series of books. He developed his ability to travel to these 'levels' at the Monroe Institute. In the books he describes how to do it and all the stories that go along with that. This is Out of Body Travel and not the mental-dream world. My opinion is this method is more appropriate for what you just mentioned.

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Sorry if this is a stupid question but isn't out of body travel when people die etc?

Again sorry if daft question just new to all this stuff. I think I will get the hang of lucid dreaming just need a few month perhaps, I am enjoying my dream recall on the way so all is well.

Its odd because I have tried meditation in the past as I have studied Shotokan and Tae Kwon Do (Black Belt) and my instructor tried to get me doing that for gradings and things but I always struggled.

Peace

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Don't worry. There are no 'bad' questions as long as they are respectful.

OOBE is similar to death I suppose. Death would be a permanent OOBE.
In reality, it is a function of your consciousness. Some people call it soul travel but if you consider all information from one person to another to be a metaphor. This is just because we have our own terminology and way of thinking.

To answer the question. This is as normal a process as dreaming. Your 'spirit' actually leaves the body at night while you sleep. There is a ton of research on this so don't think I'm daft talking about it. Since this is a natural function you can take control of it and do what you will. This is the exact ability that shamans, Buddhist monks, Gurus, and many others use.

Essentially you may use it to visit any place on Earth or in space. Unlike dreaming you are not creating this in your mind. For instance, if you were to do this with a friend you could decide to meet in Egypt at the Great Pyramid and explore it. You could meet someone technically dead and have a conversation with them. After you awoke you could write the experience in your journal and compare notes with your friend. You will both report speaking with this person. That is a personal validation you each met a person and spoke with them. Something which would be impossible to fake or guess at because you could write out your conversation.

That is just a very simple example. Spiritual masters use this ability for spiritual growth, diagnosing health issues in others, speaking with those who are physically deceased, etc... You may also simply explore the physical and non-physical universe.

Many people, especially in the Buddhist, Hindu, and many native traditions believe that this IS the REAL and TRUE reality and our waking 'normal' experience is actually the dream world. They say this because of the expanded awareness you have while in spirit form. Similar to the 'Matrix' movie where everyone is in a virtual reality that they think is actually real. In truth that is where the movie idea came from.

So in short. Out of body experiences are real. Dreams and the dream world are not necessarily real. Dreams do have value as well though. I am simply stating that if you are looking to communicate with the 'deceased' my suggestion would be to explore this means instead of lucid dreaming. This helps you focus on one thing if you are going to devote the energy.

Another helpful piece of information is this....many people use the lucid dream state to initiate an out of body exploration. If you wish to visit those spirits who have passed on from Earth life then you will want to be in spirit form yourself to go there. This is far different from a dream where you are mentally creating that world. In OOBE you actually DO go there. You may also bring back information from 'them' that can verify this is not just in our head.

The next piece of good news is that it only takes a few weeks of practice to achieve this. Similar to the lucid dreaming practice timeline.

Here is an interview about this subject that will greatly enhance your understanding. There are many parts..I'll simply link the first part. And ask more questions if you wish.

This guy William Buhlman has collected data on OOBE from 30,000+ people all over the world.
William Buhlman Interview Link - Part 1 of 12

I have been reading this thread for a while and I admit at first that I thought most of this stuff was all BS.

BUT, Today I came home from school layed on my bed, Only passed out for about 10 minutes and I had the most VIVID F-ING DREAM EVERRR.....

I was sleeping in my dream...I woke up inside my dream at a outdoor glass table with my band (Music) sitting around me looking and laughing at me like I did something weird...Then a bunch of chicks started walking out of a swimming pool next to me. I think I was at a party of some sort...But I can remember almost every detail about the dream which has never happened so clearly before...Of course I started to freak out at the awesomeness and woke up...BUT...I'm a lot more open to this thread now xD

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Thanks for more info, I will definetely look at this. I think I am going to concentrate on my dreams at the moment as I am starting to feel in over my head lol.

has been going really well dream recal has got really good last couple of week, I couldnt remember my dreams last night but I think its because I am exhausted at the moment from work.

Peace

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That is really cool. If you are intrested in remembering your dreams more easily I highly recommend a dream journal. A Couple of the people on here suggested it to me and I also watched a video by a chap called Reece Jones which said journals help too.

All I can say is it has really helped me recall my dreams, I havent been able to become lucid yet I am sure it will happen for me eventually. I think I might be suffering from trying to hard syndrome lol

Peace

I believe at the healthiest point in my life I went through the sequence of dreams I've read that others have had, too, where you learn to fly (kind of start off bouncy, then floaty, then catch wind like a soaring bird, then Superman speed, then just going from point A to B by thinking it) and maybe eventually astral project.

I had a lot of lucid dreaming at the time and I controlled every aspect of it and was no longer bound to an exclusive 1st or 3rd person view. Could turn nightmares into me being the hero, only ever got shot down by 1 woman in them. Anything I thought I could do. It was like Inception mixed w/ The Matrix.

I still have them from time to time, but not nightly. I'm trying to get back to having them naturally. At the time when I was healthiest I was also prescribed Flurazepam and experimenting with what is known as 'The Mexican Dream Herb' (Calea zacatechichi). I'm close to just purchasing some of the later again and trying to see if it had any effect.

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Just wondered if this dream herb is safe? also is it legal in the uk do you know?

Did it really help you in the past?

Sorry for all the questions