Does this gun exist?

I do not mean to hi-jack this thread but it seems to be over any way. I found some .22 shell casings and the firing pin marks have me puzzled. I wished I had kept some of the casings. There were over a hundred so I would say it was an automatic. The firing pin mark on a standard .22 is just one indent. These casings had 3 marks from the firing pin. One at 12 O'clock and one at 4 O'clock and one at 8 O'clock position. What weapon did they come from?

On a side note I have heard of a left-hand eject AK-47. Is there such a thing?

Originally posted by projectvxn
No it doesn't.

Energy weapons and rail guns are not being produced for individuals as the technology to do so does not exist.

Guns are still guns.

So sure of yourself there. It doesnt exist, and thats it, because you say so right? The technology to do so does not exist.(that we know of!!!) Right!?! Thats just silly to dismiss something right off the bat, and be so sure of yourself with this. Unless that is you work for some high tech black op weapons testing facility which I highly doubt. As far as I'm concerned this topic is still up for discussion.

Yoou mean one of these?

www.wetanz.com...

www.wetanz.com...

Originally posted by darius2025
Mods, can we please close this thread? Such a non-sense attantion grabbing whore.

I do believe somebody needs a nap.

And to all the other bashers..
Do you actually know what ATS's "Deny Ignorance" means? Before spouting off on what is and what isn't, can ya'll please back up your ass-umptions up with some sort of documentation? I'd even accept a note from your mother stating that you do know everything and to just accept whatever ya'll have to say.
Thank you, and now back to this thread-

Weapons like the OPs discription do indeed exist as do other exotics like these below - (also with indisputable documentation)

SRF Gun Project
A superconducting radio-frequency photo electron injector (SRF gun) is currently under construction by a collaboration of BESSY, DESY, FZR and MBI. The project aims at the design and setup of a CW SRF gun including a diagnostics beamline for the ELBE FEL and to address R&D issues on low emittance injectors for future light sources such as the BESSY FEL. Of critical importance for the injector performance is the control of the electron beam parameters. For this reason a compact diagnostics beamline is under development serving a multitude of operation settings ranging from low-charge (77pC), low-emittance (1 mm mrad) mode to high-charge (2.5nC) operation of the gun. For these operation modes beam dynamics simulations are resulting in boundary conditions for the beam instrumentation. Proven and mature technology is projected wherever possible, for example for current and beam position monitoring. The layout of the beam profile and emittance measurement systems is described. For the bunch length, which varies between 5 ps and 50 ps, two schemes using electro-optical sampling and Cherenkov radiation are detailed. The beam energy and energy spread is measured with a 180-degree spectrometer.
www.osti.gov...

Electric gun: a new tool for ultrahigh-pressure research
We have developed a new tool for ultrahigh-pressure research at LLL. This system, which we call the electric gun, has already achieved thin flyer plate velocities in excess of 20 km/s and pressures of the order of 2 TPa in tantalum. We believe that the electric gun is competitive with laser- and nuclear-driven methods of producing shocks in the 1-to-5 TPa range because of its precision and ease and economy of operation. Its development is recommended for shock initiation studies, dry runs for Site 300 hydroshots, and as a shock wave generator for surface studies.
www.osti.gov...

Prototype testing for a hybrid gas-gun/railgun device
In 1984 Los Alamos began the design of the lethality test system (LTS), a facility to be used for the study of impact physics at velocities up to 15 km/s. The key component of LTS was an electromagnetic launcher capable of accelerating a 30 gram mass to 15 km/s. By the time of the Preliminary Design Review (July 1985) it was known from laboratory experiments that a conventional railgun was incapable of reaching 15 km/s starting at low velocity (/approximately/1 km/s) and a hybrid design was adopted for the LTS launcher. The hybrid launcher consisted of a two-stage hydrogen gun that preaccelerated the test mass to 6.5 km/s and an electromagnetic launcher for the final acceleration from 6.5 to 15 km/s. Design calculations predicted that injection into the railgun at 6.5 km/s would reduce ablation sufficiently to permit operation at 12 km/s with reasonable probability of achieving 15 km/s. The hybrid launcher design adopted for LTS presents some unique mechanical and electrical issues. In particular, the hybrid design requires that the plasma armature be established in a high pressure gas environment behind the projectile. To address this issue, as well as to evaluate the mechanical and electrical design, an 1.83 meter long prototype of the electromagnetic launcher barrel was built and tested. This paper describes the prototype launcher tests and the performance achieved. In addition, testing of a plasma initiator operating in a high pressure gas environment is discussed. 5 refs., 11 figs., 1 tab.

And while I was doing this quick search I came across this tidbit. I was aware of "Bore Machines" but wasn't of this and this is dated 1975! Point being is- who's to say that all of that 'SyFi' stuff couldn't be real.

Electron accelerator for tunneling through hard rock
Earlier work demonstrated that intense sub-microsecond bursts of energetic electrons cause significant pulverization and spalling of a variety of rock types. The spall debris generally consists of sand, dust, and small flakes. If carried out at rapid repetition rate, this can lead to a promising technique for increasing the speed and reducing the cost of underground excavation of tunnels, mines, and storage spaces. The conceptual design features of a Pulsed Electron Tunnel Excavator capable of tunneling approximately ten times faster than conventional drill/blast methods are presented, with primary emphasis on the electron accelerator and only a brief description of the tunneling aspects. Of several candidate types of accelerators, a linear induction accelerator producing electron pulses (5 MV, 5 kA, 1.0 $mu$s = 25 kJ) at a 360 Hz rate was selected for the conceptual example. This provides the required average electron beam power output of 9 MW. The feasibility of such an accelerator is discussed.
www.osti.gov...

reply to post by iceblue20-12


Sounds like a pretty cool gun. Does it come with a flashy thing device. But it does sound like what the fabled Rail Gun is described as. I wish I knew more about it. You may just have some Alien killing fire power on your hands.

Reading this thread, I can't help but think of something we did a few years ago, so probably you shouldn't dismiss the idea of weapons like that so quickly.

A few years back, some friends of mine and I were working on something we called a tesla cannon. However, after having tremendous troubles with making the thing anyhow portable let alone developing a guiding system that somehow worked, we put the project aside. However, we were students at that time and had a very limited budget - but we at least managed to build something like a hardly working prototype. Now giving the idea that, as suffisticated as that gun sounds, it is probably an Industrial product, it could very well be a more developed and better funded version of what we thought of as a tesla cannon.

A further hint to the fact that it might be a "tesla cannon" is its size. It was crucial with the tesla cannon to get the point where the flash emerges as far away from the shooter as possible to keep the flash from dropping back at the shooter. So if the gun is roughly the size of a sawn of shotgun, that's probably as close as the developers could get. At least it is longer than a normal pistol which advocates for the fact that either the technology takes that much space or it is neccessary to keep it that long for the above mentioned purpose.

Originally posted by geo1066

And to all the other bashers..
Do you actually know what ATS's "Deny Ignorance" means? Before spouting off on what is and what isn't, can ya'll please back up your ass-umptions up with some sort of documentation? I'd even accept a note from your mother stating that you do know everything and to just accept whatever ya'll have to say.
Thank you, and now back to this thread-

Weapons like the OPs discription do indeed exist as do other exotics like these below - (also with indisputable documentation)

I would be very open to the idea that a weapon such as one the OP describes is real. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the way this thread was presented.

If the OP saw this weapon somewhere, why is he asking if it is real? He already knows it's real because he saw it. Attention.

Regardless of whether or not the OP actually saw or read authentic documents about such a weapon, or if it exists, the thread just seems like someone who wants other people to think "oh man, this guy knows about some top secret weapons. He is a pretty cool guy."

So I'll ask again, what is the point of making this thread? If he actually saw this weapon, he knows it's real, so there is no reason to ask. If this weapon is not real, and he just imagined it, there would not be documentation of it. So by the OP own admission you can assume the OP either believes this weapon is real, or wants others to believe that it is real, and he has seen it.

If the OP was more along the lines of "Hey guys I have a top secret security clearance and was working on a contract project for the government where I witnessed this crazy weapons" I wouldn't have a problem with this at all. In fact I would probably not have even posted as there would be no reason. It just seems, by the way this was brought up, the OP just wants attention.

Originally posted by ArcAngel
He's asking about a classified Electro Magnetic Pulse gun, or EMP. Range of only 30 -45 feet. The beam dispersion is 36x36 inches at 15 feet, so it get appreciably weaker the further out. I have never seen one of these, only a description on a technical white paper.

Question to OP, have you seen one? At Alice Springs?

OMG,this is the one.
I was going to go with the super soaker until i saw your post.
So it is real? Or on paper at least.
Thank you very much.

Attention eh.
Close the thread NOW mods,
thanks to all that responded.

Originally posted by fixer1967
I do not mean to hi-jack this thread but it seems to be over any way. I found some .22 shell casings and the firing pin marks have me puzzled. I wished I had kept some of the casings. There were over a hundred so I would say it was an automatic. The firing pin mark on a standard .22 is just one indent. These casings had 3 marks from the firing pin. One at 12 O'clock and one at 4 O'clock and one at 8 O'clock position. What weapon did they come from?

On a side note I have heard of a left-hand eject AK-47. Is there such a thing?

While I am in no way stating that in fact this is what happened, I will give you a possible scenario. I have fired a lot of cheap .22 ammo, and have had numerous failure to fires. I usually keep the rounds and attempt to re-fire them. This would obviously lead to multiple marks on the rim of the shell casing.

It would seem very strange that someone had fired so many rounds, and each round had already gone through several attempts to fire, and then finally working on the 3rd round. But who knows. All I know is I have for sure left more than a few .22 shell casings behind that had multiple firing pin indentations on them.

There is also a possibility that there is some .22 out there with multiple firing pins. I have never heard of such a thing, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.

As far as the AK, there is a left hand charging handle mod that is available, but as far as an AK that actually ejects from the left side I am not aware of one. It would not be that difficult to do though, a modification of the receiver cover, bolt, and extractor would accomplish this. Not something for the everyday modder, but nothing that complicated for an actual gunsmith. The design is already there, all you have to do is flip it.

reply to post by James1982

Thank you for your reply. I was told the casings may have been from a Calico. The weapon that did fire them would have to had a 3 prong firing pin system. The marks were perfectly spaced. I had came to the conclusion the casings were from a one of a kind prototype weapon and I may never know any more about it.

reply to post by gunshooter


We know for a fact that the only energy and rail weapons out there fit on aircraft carriers and jumbo jets.

Lasers and railguns with weapons capabilities require a lot of wattage to actually BE a weapon.

I'm not going to get into the zero point energy conspiracy theory here. These weapons do not exist for individual use.

reply to post by projectvxn


I beg to differ because we had a working tesla gun. If someone with enough budget would get into such a thing they'd pobably get a working portable device.

Originally posted by DonOdie
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I beg to differ because we had a working tesla gun. If someone with enough budget would get into such a thing they'd pobably get a working portable device.

What are you differing with exactly?

Is there or isn't there a portable rail or DEW device?

If you or anyone else can present compelling evidence that such weapons are, have been, or can be produced with existing energy generation technology I would love to see it.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying that with current technology it isn't practical.

reply to post by iceblue20-12


Is that theoretical or have you seen it shoot? Your not allowed guns in Australia but your allowed to have something like that? Is it plans for a gun on a video game/or someone just messing around perhaps? A sign that what your looking at isn't real is that a tactical team hasn't blown the hinges off your door, gagged, blindfolded, and zip tied you. Because if it did exist it most certainly would be classified top secret. I would imagine it would be easy to defeat a weapon based on that the same way people make Faraday cases. Although that's not a topic that I could ever be considered an expert on.

reply to post by James1982


I agree James. Some bs going on here.

reply to post by projectvxn


Well I don't know if there allready is such a device, I'm just saying it's nothing close to impossible. When we built it we used power from the net simply because it was more convenient for our purpose, which was simply showing that it works. However, that was 10 years ago, if you would built such a device today, using for example laptop batteries which can allready power a car, and, as I said, having a larger budget to buy, for example, industrial size capacitors, you might well be able to get a portable device. It'll probably still look more than a ghostbusters backpack insted of a storm trooper's gun but at least it would be portable. And I say that with the limited knowledge I have. A trained engineer could probably downsize it even more.

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by paearmor
pics....????

2nd ln

I think the OP is making things up and playing games. I would love to be proven wrong though.

Second lyne

edit on 29-4-2011 by James1982 because: (no reason given)

Ya think?

My favorite response from the OP was this one:

Well i dont play vid games,i wanted to ask here where there are experts so i didnt have to trawl the net garbage!

This isn't "trawling the net", and ATS has "experts" on futuristic/alien sounding weapons?

Other than that, great thread!

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by DonOdie
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I beg to differ because we had a working tesla gun. If someone with enough budget would get into such a thing they'd pobably get a working portable device.

What are you differing with exactly?

Is there or isn't there a portable rail or DEW device?

If you or anyone else can present compelling evidence that such weapons are, have been, or can be produced with existing energy generation technology I would love to see it.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying that with current technology it isn't practical.

Exactly.

A "black budget" with billions (trillions?) of dollars wouldn't be enough budget to make not one, but enough to equip all U.S. forces with one of these?

reply to post by centurion1211


Money doesn't always produce results:

Department of Education as exhibit 1