Aliens on the moon. UFOs. the secret dossier of the Apollo program. Apollo 18, 19, 20

Originally posted by thatonedude
reply to post by Lighterside

 

Yeah thats my first impression but damn, now I have to go see Apollo 18.Movies have been desensitizing us to the possibility of disclosure perhaps it could come in one?If it is advertising it worked on me.Last I heard the movie was pushed back untill jan,6 2012

How would we know it if disclosure came in a movie? Wouldnt we just think its fictional like the film we are paying to see?
If they disclose in a movie I am going with ET the extraterrestrial, not war of the worlds or the day the earth stood still. I like my aliens cute and cuddley.

One of the Apollo 20 video's where called "Orange Mission" just like your video talks about, but he was suppsed to have been debunked, so very strange indeed. Coincident?

media.abovetopsecret.com...

Mindblowing and almost movie like, all you need is jabbering monkys and 3 hours of vintage Hollywood and you have what some would call a Space Oddesy...If the flat earth people had ATS, the internet and Twitter it would be 2011 all over agin, Life is a mystery, it is hard, short and ends badly. So what if big eyed space travelers were here a million years ago, If proven it says to us 'u suck, we left a rock behind, that is all you are worth". You want the meaning to life, make the best of it, roll with the punches, be willing to say hum thats interesting, make a family, watch it grow and love something. The rest is crap and most people are morons.

reply to post by Turiddu


Except this is ATS.

I don't post very often here but this time i thought i had too. It seems to be the new hype easily calling everything that comes out a hoax here unfortunately. One must not be aware and up to date on this whole ufo phenomenon to pretend that there are no references to orange mission that can be found anywhere apart from this document. There are plenty of videos and documents that relate to this secret mission in fact. More and more the dots seems to be connecting and more and more it seems like William Rutledge's (retiredafb) story is making some sense after all. Here is 2 other links that refers to this orange mission wich i don't know if have yet been posted here. Watch closely in the beginning of these videos. They are not even related to retiredafb's videos in any way.

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There just seems to be too many "coincidences" regarding all this but i persist to beleive that one day we will know the truth wich is surrounding all of it.

I'd imagine it would be impossible to launch a Saturn V vehicle from Russia without years of rebuilding the gantries and such, I'm sure Jim Oberg can go further with this but the whole idea strikes me as ridiculous. Orbital rockets aren't simply machines that can be fired from any launch pad like some model rocket, they require a massive amount of support infrastructure designed specifically for each type.

I found some video presentations which feature Jose Gavidia Abarca at the Universidad Politécnica de Valencia website. He talks about Internet for senior citizens

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Catalog page

As you can clearly see he hasn't aged a bit, the OP video is a fake.

Photos of Jose Gavidia on flickr.com www.flickr.com...

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
I work in video production. The videos posted are full of artificially generated film aging. Totally and completely fake.

Film dirt isn't a digital pattern, it is analog and random. The artificial film dirt they put on this crap is patterned.

As a 30+ year professional video editor, I will throw my hat into ring and corroborate this assessment. The filters are off the shelf "plug ins" and although the editorial style mimics the 70's era, it tries a little too hard. "Hot" or "flash frames" were not used as transitions as seen in/out of studio set and B roll NASA footage. It is MTV style and someone was going for "the illusion is greater than the reality" approach.

However, it was VERY WELL done. The tiny white dots you see along top edge are VITC (Vertical Interval Timecode) and the "skew error" and "head switching" at the bottom edge is indicative of videotape formats of the era. They paid attention to detail but I'm calling fake on technical details alone plus the script and matching subtitles just hit too many convenient conspiracy buttons IMO.

My .02¢ for what it's worth.

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Not only this.....

....without years of rebuilding the gantries and such....

That is an excellent example. Additionally, as Jim Oberg already mentioned, the logistical impossibility of transporting the Saturn V components themselves.

Someone else then countered with an idea that they were built in the USSR. Equally absurd, to coincide with the gantry and infrastructure points mentioned above....because, anyone who bothers to research the technical details will soon learn of the incredible amount of NEW and creative methods that had to be invented, just to build the damn things!

Only one example, from Harrison "Stormy" Storms, of North American Aviation, in his book. Besides the Command Module, North American also built the Second Stage of the Saturn V. They had to devise a way to save weight, in order to meet the standards.....and the bulkhead between the two fuel tanks (one LOX, the other LH) would normally have been a double-hemisphere, like two thermoses end-to-end. That weighed too much....so they devised ONE common arched, circular bulkhead that could ONLY be constructed in a specially-built jig, just for that purpose. It took up a factory floor in Seal Beach, California.....

The S-II was developed and manufactured by North American Space Division at Seal Beach, California in what is now the U.S. Navy Weapons Station.

www.aerospacelegacyfoundation.com...

I recommend his book, "Angle of Attack"

Along these same lines....there is simply NO WAY that all those people who worked for the contractors could have built enough hardware for three more vehicles "in secret"!!!

Just flat out fantasy.........

The Apollo Project and the Saturn Vs are amazing pieces of machinery, truly a testament to the incredible people who designed and built them. It is sad to see people who want to take them and turn them into some bizarre and fictional part of Ufology.

Skeptical professionals are drawn to my threads.

Just thought I'd put that out there...

...i challenge any of these skeptics to provide ANY PROOF of ANY anomalies on the Moon or any other planetoids...

...but we all know - they won't!

I've posted this 3 times now...

All of the people listed in the credits are people that are alive and kicking:

A social networking guru, film producer, animator, actor....

Give me an H,
Give me an O,
Give me an A,
Give me an X,

and what do you get?

This thread moved to the Hoax forum.

Originally posted by dsm1664
Now this could just be a coincidence...

Colaborador - Adolfo Plasencia
Involved in Social Networking?

Mont Aje Cine - Ruben Master Casana
Voice Over Actor?

Ayte. Produccion - Segiro Lara - AKA Re4nimeit
Animator?

Realizacion - Fran J.S.C
Animator / Film Maker?

edit on 29-4-2011 by dsm1664 because: sp

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I have contacted one of the people involved, maybe he can give some background on the video as I haven't been able to find any on the web. I'm thinking it's some kind of student project as some (if not all) people listed in the credits are connected to the Universidad Politécnica de Valencia.

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by dsm1664

 

I have contacted one of the people involved, maybe he can give some background on the video as I haven't been able to find any on the web. I'm thinking it's some kind of student project as some (if not all) people listed in the credits are connected to the Universidad Politécnica de Valencia.

Good work.

Yeah, I noticed that Universidad Politécnica de Valencia connection. Also I've seen a photo of the social networking guy on one of the others sites.

I actually live 2 hours away from the Uni..

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow...i challenge any of these skeptics to provide ANY PROOF of ANY anomalies on the Moon or any other planetoids..

That isn't our job. YOU are making these wild claims so it is up to YOU to provide us the evidence required to back them up.

Originally posted by JimOberg
I googled the movie yesterday and most sites are talking about an August release now, but one story was that at least one theatre would have it this Friday -- tomorrow.

Maybe I ought to go interview the REAL Apollo-18 commander for HIS take on the flap!

In July Apollo 11 - command module Columbia, is having a 42nd reunion event here in FL which I do not plan to miss. Any questions I should ask and are these people still in the loop?
I wonder how many are no longer with us? Naturally I hope ALL remaining members attend but that is unrealistic. Listing the names and looking to investigate any claims individuals have made in order to question them further. Aware of anything pertinent to ask, please let me know.

Members of that mission were:
Neil Armstrong
Michael Collins
Buzz Aldrin Jr
James Lovell Jr
William Anders
Fred W Haise
Charlie Duke
Ron Evans
Owen K Garholt
Don L Lind
Ken Mattingly
Bruce McCandlese
Harrison Schmitt
Bill Pogue
Jack Swigert
Cliff Charlesworth
Gene Kranz
Glynn Lunney

This video is from 2 years ago

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


"Professionals" at heavy work on this thread, my friend.

Maybe this is a smoking gun...

reply to post by Arken


Oh, LOL!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

Never-ending source of amusement, there.....yeah, professionals. That is me, I admit it. I was a professional for my entire career.

AND, I happened to also be able to learn about REAL science and actual details of the history of the Space Programs....and have not stopped learning.

But, to see such obvious Bravo Sierra spewed, as this?? And, to see innocent, gullible people fall for it, and believe it hook, line and sinker? Grinds my gears....


If YOU were an expert in, say....some aspect of medicine (just to pick a particular discipline of knowledge and expertise) and YOU saw an ATS thread about...oh, brain surgery or something....and you KNEW it was baloney, and poppycock....wouldn't you feel outraged???


It's one thing for people to willingly be led down the primrose path, all in good fun. But, to be taken advantage of, because they are naive? Especially since this has all the earmarks of a (possibly) elaborate campaign of free marketing for an upcoming big-budget motion picture release???

Meh!! You should know what is being sold to you, when you buy it.......

reply to post by weedwhacker

yeah, professionals. That is me, I admit it. I was a professional for my entire career.

Yes, I've suspected.

Especially since this has all the earmarks of a (possibly) elaborate campaign of free marketing for an upcoming big-budget motion picture release?

Prove it!

The OP's video has been proven to be a fake in this thread. The old man presenting the "70's" show has an internet website. Video clips of him narrating documentaries from as late as 2011 have been posted. He has a current facebook page. He is not over 100 years old. The other people involved in the production that were listed in the credits are still around and active on the internet... some are quite young.

The other thing proved in this thread are the lengths to which people will go not to have their beliefs challenged by easily verifiable facts.