Aliens on the moon. UFOs. the secret dossier of the Apollo program. Apollo 18, 19, 20

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow
Howdy WZ. The premise of the video is certainly dodgy and probably a sign of hoaxing. It's claimed to be a Spanish show from the 1970s and looks more like a crazy hybrid of 1920s cinema and 1950s TV. Whoever created it must have a strange idea of Spain in the 70s. They weren't backwards. Here are two Spanish shows from the 70s (some parts in clip 1 are early 80s) to illustrate the difference between 'Aliens on the Moon' and the real deal...





Some more over on this blog...

The secret/censored document is available to download..Proceedings on the Working Group of Extraterrestrial Resources (1965). This is a 500+ scientific collection of studies, planned studies and research into space exploration.

NASA's 'Mission Orange/ Orange Mission' doesn't appear to exist outside of this video; it doesn't even exist in conspiracy-land. The snapshot of file 'NASA-S-67-6938' is a hoax from the old Apollo 20 video which dates back to 2007 and pretty much rules out anything else in this video.

Based on these few points, there's no reason to think it's anything other than another entertaining 'fake' doco. There's also no reason to think it has anything to do with new movies.

reply to post by Kandinsky

Originally posted by dsm1664
Now this could just be a coincidence...

Colaborador - Adolfo Plasencia
Involved in Social Networking?

Mont Aje Cine - Ruben Master Casana
Voice Over Actor?

Ayte. Produccion - Segiro Lara - AKA Re4nimeit
Animator?

Realizacion - Fran J.S.C
Animator / Film Maker?

edit on 29-4-2011 by dsm1664 because: sp

Hey Kandinsky, sorry, just wanted to repost this as it's now on the previous page.

Originally posted by dsm1664
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

 

Wow, the presenter is immortal!

He looks the same back then as he does now!!!

See here.

Very good point. If that profile photo is current, the video is a hoax. Even if the photo isn't current, if the video had been shot when it purports to have been, that would make Mr. Abarca a centenarian, assuming he's still alive [which would be unlikely], and the fact that he's maintaining a current FB account would be... problematic.

Originally posted by NowanKenubi
I saw this about an hour ago. It's from November 7 2010. The guy starts talking about the movie Apollo 18, and then jumps to Rutledge movies, ending with this.

That's the same link I posted earlier... probably where I got the relationship from. I'll look further, but it may well be a dead end. The OP's vids look to include clips from the hoaxed "Apollo 20" youtube videos.

And now I remember seeing the Transformers teaser trailer a few months back... adds another level of confusion. At the very least both films are using the Apollo 18-plus mythology to generate interest.

As if they could launch a Saturn V rocket from Florida and no one would notice, eh?

Originally posted by TheFlash
As if they could launch a Saturn V rocket from Florida and no one would notice, eh?

That seems less than likely.

Originally posted by Maxmars


His picture on Facebook is of him as a younger man .. the camera equipment shown seems 70's

Found the make and model of the camera. It is a 60's vintage Piher SC-1500, a Spanish 25mm monochrome studio Vidicon.

www.tvcameramuseum.org...

I have found these recent Spanish airshow videos with Josè Gavidia in it. He looks a few years older but definitely not 35!

Caminos en el aire

Originally posted by GiangyNY
I have found these recent Spanish airshow videos with Josè Gavidia in it. He looks a few years older but definitely not 35!

Caminos en el aire

Nice find.

He looks the same to me, only he's in color. So that seems to be that. Looks like he used the vintage video camera in his FB profile photo to add authenticity to the footage. Hoax.

I work in video production. The videos posted are full of artificially generated film aging. Totally and completely fake.

Film dirt isn't a digital pattern, it is analog and random. The artificial film dirt they put on this crap is patterned.

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Good stuff, also as mentioned earlier a "secret" launch of a Saturn V would be almost impossible.

Originally posted by TheFlash
As if they could launch a Saturn V rocket from Florida and no one would notice, eh?

If it was a joint US/Soviet mission, they could have launched it from Russia without anybody noticing.

reply to post by leo123


No. A Saturn V rocket would have to be launched from near the equator, as the Earth's speed of rotation is required to get the payload up to fast enough speed to reach escape velocity. It could not be launched from USSR.

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


remember when John Leer used to frequent this site....

ah the good ol days

Originally posted by leo123

Originally posted by TheFlash
As if they could launch a Saturn V rocket from Florida and no one would notice, eh?

If it was a joint US/Soviet mission, they could have launched it from Russia without anybody noticing.

How do they get it to the Russian launch site?

In the US, we used barges for water transport of the BIG sections.

Did you even give this suggestion the SLIGHTEST thought?

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


The a look of Swiss holes in the OP's Film

A 1970s Spanish Film that is in Black & White that has says about The Apollo 20 & The Moon Spaceship as shown in the RetiredAFB GUY youtube films ????

Lets Look at this one for the Meantime !

You People want to see a old Legit 1970s Ufo documentary Film ! with real legit people talk about them and it has even DR Hynak Swamp gas man admitting that Professional Astronomers say they seen UFOS! and The Video goes into great depths that the History Channel Ancient Aliens ETC.. Mysteries would NOT Touch

This Documentary It Not so much Known its Called

UFOs Are Here ! - The Deyo Diaries Volume 1 with Stan Deyo

Google Video Link

Here the ATS List of a whole Swamp full of GAS I Mean Ufos & Aliens Documentary's

Make sure to Book Mark it !

free documentaries, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TheFlash
reply to post by leo123

 

No. A Saturn V rocket would have to be launched from near the equator, as the Earth's speed of rotation is required to get the payload up to fast enough speed to reach escape velocity. It could not be launched from USSR.

I'm not sure that THAT is entirely accurate. The Russians have had rockets sending things up into space over HALF A CENTURY without us noticing. And they weren't launched from the equator. Further, a Saturn V could be modified, or its fuel could be modified. Rocket scientists, after all, real rocket scientists are doing the physics and the calculations. Further, there might have been, as there certainly are now, CLASSIFIED rockets with unknown payload and breakaway capabilities.

Originally posted by GhostLancer

Originally posted by TheFlash
reply to post by leo123

 

No. A Saturn V rocket would have to be launched from near the equator, as the Earth's speed of rotation is required to get the payload up to fast enough speed to reach escape velocity. It could not be launched from USSR.

I'm not sure that THAT is entirely accurate. The Russians have had rockets sending things up into space over HALF A CENTURY without us noticing. And they weren't launched from the equator. Further, a Saturn V could be modified, or its fuel could be modified. Rocket scientists, after all, real rocket scientists are doing the physics and the calculations. Further, there might have been, as there certainly are now, CLASSIFIED rockets with unknown payload and breakaway capabilities.

No again. Excuse me for saying so, but you don't know what you are talking about. The Apollo missions were a lot more than "sending things up into space". Case in point - "To date, the Saturn V is the only launch vehicle to transport human beings beyond Low Earth Orbit."

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by leo123

Originally posted by TheFlash
As if they could launch a Saturn V rocket from Florida and no one would notice, eh?

If it was a joint US/Soviet mission, they could have launched it from Russia without anybody noticing.

How do they get it to the Russian launch site?

In the US, we used barges for water transport of the BIG sections.

Did you even give this suggestion the SLIGHTEST thought?

LOL simple ! Very simple Diagrams ,Blueprints & Formulas ingredients to make it Over there! why use Old parts where you can make it new and more modified we can built it yes we can ! Problem as you very well know Jim NASA dosnt have the Slightest clue! reason Being! Contractor's that made the Saturn V Rockets took Info to make them with them ! and what are they doing now having to rediscover & back engineer it ! from
Some Hollywood Junk Space Junk yard & Museums !



Space Junkyard (video) for other ATS Members as Jim Oberg Would or Should of Known !


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