Appointed emergency managers close school for pregnant teen mothers with a 90% graduation rate

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by consigliere

 

Well I did not assume that the school was largely minority. I don't immediately think about racial status, which I gather makes me a minority.

I think all students who engage in anti-social behavior and that includes getting pregnant while of public school age should be removed from school. Same with kids who wear black trench coats, paint their faces like a corpse, wear low hanging pants and gang colors and frankly anything the school board finds a distraction. All public schools should have uniforms and distractions to learning should be removed by any means possible.

When I went to school in the 70s in an inner city school, pregnant girls were not permitted to attend. They had to seek other educational vehicles or take a year off and then return. They certainly did not bring their kids to school. The graduation rates were higher than they are in that school today, which has armed guards in the restrooms, metal detectors on all of the doors and yes, permits all manner of anti-social behavior which is a distraction from learning.

Oh, but they are more enlightened now, I guess that justifies it all.

I only know its a minority school because of the MSM reporting of the "sit in". i agree with some of the things you say. im 40 years old and things were different back then,,,maybe better even. i apologize for spouting racism at you,,,that was mainly for the other guy,,so please do accept my apologies. i even understand the whole "cost per kid" and costs effectiveness of the "zars" decision.however the school is successful.those kids are doing preety darn good in my opinion. reallocation of funds is necessary, but the schools that are being closed are minority schools,,,thats were the "racism" comes into play,,,,but seriously what do you think will happen now they cant evenm get an education,,,which 90% are doin there damdest to do,,,while raising a child,,,sounds like a bunch of hard working americans to me,,,,imho

reply to post by tncryptogal


That is great for your school. But what works for your area, may not work for another. The education needs to be taken back and started with the parents. Teachers are now babysitters for the most part. Schools are more worried about a child bringing a plastic knife, students having Tylenol or drawing pictures of guns then they are with teaching.
My kids will either be home schooled or attend private schools. If that means I work 2 jobs, then i work 2 jobs.
That is my responsibility as a parent.

If my daughter were to become pregnant in High school, then we as a family would take care of each other.
My problems are not the responsibility of the tax payer or my neighbor.

reply to post by Pinke


Yes, but where does it end? When and how does the Govt finally say no?
If they give to some, then they have to give to all.
Otherwise, they are just taking from some to give to others.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by consigliere
reply to post by macman

 

Like i said Macman,,,ive read some of your posts on all types of subjects and yes i think you are racist.if you think im racist read some of mine! your the same guy who advocates the texas scholarships for whites only,,,dont throw stones bro,,,,

now once again,,,getting back ON TOPIC,,,how is a school with a 90% graduation rate fit for closing? are you avoiding the question?

And why not. If there can be a special scholarship for blacks, then why not whites. If one is provided, then all should be. It goes both ways.

No avoidance, no name calling, no calling you are reverse racist or any Sol Alinsky crap.
Do they produce results? Yes
Is it for all to participate in? No
Is it tax payer funded? Yes
So provide for some, by taking from others?
Again, it goes against public civil liberties to exclude parts of the State population, but what ever.
As the state sinks deeper into an economic depression, you keep banging away of the "Racist white man" drum.

Dude, its a school to help those who have made poor life choices get a break,,,,,its called humanity.these are children.children who are still doing there best to go to school. there not sitting at home collecting checks,,, they are going to school and raising there kids.as a single parent,,,its a lot harder than you could possibly know.yes the schools are jacked up,,,yes there need to be an overhaul,,,but shouldnt that rest on management and not the employed?

reply to post by consigliere


My challenge with this is that since these kids already have the significant extra burden of raising a child and are doing better than the kids in other schools, they must be getting extra attention, hence they are actually benefiting from making a poor choice. The other challenge is that the boys are not getting any special treatment. Why not have a school for these boys which gives them a better opportunity to get an education and perhaps learn a trade so that they can be active, engaged fathers? Is it not possible to provide an environment where they can learn without worrying about their safety? Again, my challenge here is that they are being rewarded for poor choices.

I am completely comfortable with some analysis about why these girls are doing better. Use this school as a learning opportunity. I would guess that the anti-social behavior that exists in the regular school is far more disruptive than a young girl being pregnant, but would have to be the determined. Clearly, there is nothing more anti-social than violence, either actual or threatened and that should be absolutely removed from school, if those kids wind up jammed up in the criminal justice system, so be it. They should not be afforded an opportunity to degrade the education of other kids. What ever happend to reform schools? I knew a bunch of kids who were kicked out of regular school and sent to reform school in the 70s. They actually did OK and most of them got back into regular school once they got a taste of the other alternative.

I would also be interested in some analyis of where these girls are 5 years out of high school, independant of their post graduation education. Are they employed? Are they receiving public assistance? Do they have additional children out of wedlock.

Too many of these programs sound fantastic. Lets actually do a bit of research and find out how fantastic they really are rather than hearing the concept and assuming that its fantastic. To the extent that they are fantastic, lets break down the environment into component parts and see what makes sense to implement across the board, thus benefitting all kids.

reply to post by consigliere


A lot harder you say?
I went through this same thing while in HS. My girlfriend got pregnant. Yet, both of us graduated without tax payers creating a special school for either us.
Being a humanitarian with other people's money is great. Until that money runs dry. Then all that is left to scream is crap like the race card.
So it should not rest on management and the unemployed? So, those with jobs should carry the burden?
Again, take from some to give to others. And not just others as a broad sweeping stroke, but to a small select few.
Yes, they are children. Where are the parents? Why are they not stepping up?
Again, you can have it. I am glad it is confined within MI, as it cost the tax payer more money, per student to go to this special school then it does for every other student. Take from some to give to others is just not taxes, it is taking away from regular students that did not make the choice to have sex.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by tncryptogal

 

That is great for your school. But what works for your area, may not work for another. The education needs to be taken back and started with the parents. Teachers are now babysitters for the most part. Schools are more worried about a child bringing a plastic knife, students having Tylenol or drawing pictures of guns then they are with teaching.
My kids will either be home schooled or attend private schools. If that means I work 2 jobs, then i work 2 jobs.
That is my responsibility as a parent.

If my daughter were to become pregnant in High school, then we as a family would take care of each other.
My problems are not the responsibility of the tax payer or my neighbor.

edit on 27-4-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)

hypothetically speaking,,,your a single teenage parent,you have no family to "take care of each other" as you put it and the one place you could find solace,help and hope is your school,,,that is now closing because some guy,,,who was appointed by the same guys that mucked it up to begin with say "your done,pack it up and hit the road",,,what would you do? this isnt about racism Mac,,,its about america

reply to post by consigliere


Wooh there. You made it about race, not I. Keep your crap straight.

I do have a family. I provide for them. It is my job. I don't require the Govt to step in and provide for my family, as it is my job.
I have self respect and know that once you except a handout from the Nanny Govt, you are now their slave. Case in point, closing the school now has these kids wondering what they are going to do for education.

reply to post by consigliere


Wow, your editing is getting really fast.

They should never be a teen mom in the first place. It's like buying a house when you don't have a source of income. That's why we had the housing bubble collapse.

reply to post by macman


"if you see a turtle on a pole,,,it didnt get there by itself",,,so if you and your teenage girlfriend had a child back then,,,you ABSOLUTELY needed help,,,,i assume it came from family,,,which is great,,,however, these kids do not have that "support",,,so for there school to close is horrible,,,especially when some guy (who could be doing bad math as his predecessors have done) says you gotta go.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by consigliere

 

Wooh there. You made it about race, not I. Keep your crap straight.

I do have a family. I provide for them. It is my job. I don't require the Govt to step in and provide for my family, as it is my job.
I have self respect and know that once you except a handout from the Nanny Govt, you are now their slave. Case in point, closing the school now has these kids wondering what they are going to do for education.

your also not a kid

reply to post by consigliere


Since the parent failed, the school steps in to replace the parent, with tax payer funding?
So why does anyone even try to be a parent anymore? Look at the great reward you get for having sex. Mommy and Daddy Govt there to take care of you when you failed or made a bad choice.


Ok. Again, you can keep it.

As for help, we had some help from family, yes. But I know how to take care of myself and my decisions.

reply to post by consigliere


At 18 I was still in high school. I think it is safe to assume, with your rallying of this fantastic program you think that people in HS are kids.
Spare me your condescension. I got through it. If I can, then so can they.

I can't believe you guys are fighting about whether or not tax payers should be paying for this. The issue is not about the school. It's about how it's getting shut down. It could have been a school for three-armed trans-gendered Malaysians that got shut down by an "emergency manager" and it still would have been horribly wrong.

reply to post by consigliere


Honestly, you got more excuses as to why people can't, then anyone I have ever heard from.
It is amazing that anything gets done at all these days without the Govt stepping in to take charge.

reply to post by Cuervo


You are correct Johny.
If it is within the scope of the State Constitution and lawful, then there is no issue.
If it violates either of these above, then they should stay open.

States rights all day long.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by consigliere

 

At 18 I was still in high school. I think it is safe to assume, with your rallying of this fantastic program you think that people in HS are kids.
Spare me your condescension. I got through it. If I can, then so can they.

Im not questioning whether you got thorough,,,i question how you got through,,,did your family help? and second your girl had the child not you! but thats cool im done with this argument,,,,

"if a crazy person and a sane person are arguing and you walk into the room,,,how do you know the difference?"

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by consigliere

 

Honestly, you got more excuses as to why people can't, then anyone I have ever heard from.
It is amazing that anything gets done at all these days without the Govt stepping in to take charge.

dont you work for the govt that I pay for?