Appointed emergency managers close school for pregnant teen mothers with a 90% graduation rate

Originally posted by macman
Where does it end?
What about a special school for the fathers of the pregnant teen high schoolers?
This has nothing to do with Charter schools, lets stick to the original posting. Why does the tax payer have to pay for this special school?


Thank god I don't live there.

Because it's a helluva lot cheaper in the long run to have educated and contributing citizens paying taxes and able to raise their kids right, than to continue the cycle of public dependence and hopelessness.

"Rob Bobb" (what a stupid name for a stupid guy) is part of the problem; this school at 90% grad rate is part of the solution. I wonder what pet campaign contributors of governor Snydley Whiplash will benefit from the reallocation of funds from this school? And those funds WILL be reallocated, just watch where they go.

We're seeing the same thing here in Florida with governor-idiot Rick The Crook Scott.

Originally posted by Fear_Fear
reply to post by consigliere

 

I understand what everyone is saying about caring for our own and such, however it is also correct to say that we should not have to, without choice, pay for other's opinions of what is important. I am not heartless, nor do I not support the closing of any learning institute in this country that has anywhere near a 90% graduation rate, which is simply amazing for the area.

I do however respect choices for all, not only those on the same moral ground as myself, and as such, would have to agree that it is not constitutional to take money from those who do not wish to give it in order to fund any special program. However as nothing here was voted on, just simply bullied into legislation, that to me is the real issue here, not what was done, but how it was done illegally.

I respect your opinion and i agree whole heartedly

I require no help from any people as I get older. That is what planning and my family members are for.
I never said I agreed or disagreed with the closing.
It is great that they have a 90% success rate. That does not negate the fact that tax payers are not only paying for their schooling, but also day care for their kids.
How is this the responsibility of the tax payer?
Again, why not then provide special schools for the father of the unborn child, being carried by the pregnant highschooler?
Why is the daycare not a personal responsibility of the parents of the teen? That is part of being a parent.

The nanny Govt is not in charge of this? This is become a mad world.
Whats next, schools telling parents that their kids can't bring their own lunch?

Oh yeah, that has already happened.

Ok, I am all for States rights. As the economy of MI (Or any other state doing this) continues to swirl the financial toilet, please don't look for other states to bail you out.

reply to post by consigliere


How in the world do you gleen racism in this post? That attitude, finding racism in every thing totally erodes the legitimate cause of fighting it. When everything is racist, nothing is racist and claims of racism become comical, which they have become today.

Not thinking that this school should be exempt from general cuts in the school budgets and be closed along with other schools is not racist. How do we even know the racial make up of the school?

What is the cost per pupil of this school? Since they have an integrated day care and obviously provide free meals for both the students and children, the general conclusion would be that the cost per student is higher than other schools. That means that in order to keep this school afloat, they are cutting more out of the school budget for those kids who did not make poor life choices. Why should those who have not made poor choices essentially subsidize those who have? And yes, getting pregnant while in high school is a poor life choice. Unfortunate, yes, but a choice non the less

reply to post by macman


I would rather pay for the school that helps them become contributing members of society than foot the bill for their food stamps, medicaid and welfare (not to mention low income kids are at risk of committing to a life of crime later in life, so we foot the bill for prisons too). If you think education is expensive, consider the alternatives. What they should do is incorporate what made this school so successful into other schools in the area.

reply to post by consigliere


Reeks, you are a racist or is racist.
Same crap, different pile.
The splitting of hairs really is ridiculous at best.
Even with your correction of "Reeks", you are implying that I have first hand knowledge of the racial geography of this area.
Wow, never even thought that was part of the issue. Just that a special school, for a specialized niche, used by a specially deemed group is being funded by the state tax payer.
I could care less what color, race, creed or nationality is of those involved.

reply to post by tncryptogal


That is working on the un-implied guarantee that those participating in this school will succeed once outside this environment.

If you can predict the future, please provide the winning lottery tickets as well.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by consigliere

 

How in the world do you gleen racism in this post? That attitude, finding racism in every thing totally erodes the legitimate cause of fighting it. When everything is racist, nothing is racist and claims of racism become comical, which they have become today.

Not thinking that this school should be exempt from general cuts in the school budgets and be closed along with other schools is not racist. How do we even know the racial make up of the school?

What is the cost per pupil of this school? Since they have an integrated day care and obviously provide free meals for both the students and children, the general conclusion would be that the cost per student is higher than other schools. That means that in order to keep this school afloat, they are cutting more out of the school budget for those kids who did not make poor life choices. Why should those who have not made poor choices essentially subsidize those who have? And yes, getting pregnant while in high school is a poor life choice. Unfortunate, yes, but a choice non the less

My response was aimed at Macman,,,but since you feel the need to defend him,,here you go
The school is predominately black,,,as are most impoverished americans.funny that you can defend this argument with more questions than answers.and just because someone doesnt have a child at a young age doesnt exempt them from making poor life choices (Columbine anyone?). and if the "good students" at the "good schools" are making "good choices" why do they need additional funds,,,IMHO it should be quite the opposite. having a child at such a young age is unfortunate,sad and a mistake,,,but i bet youve never made any right? seriously this is a joke

Some of the logic in this thread is a problem to me. Maybe I'm missing something though.

The same logic that applies to these teen mothers could also be applied to single parents, or people without jobs. Maybe we should cut child support completely? Survival of the fittest and all that?

If we didn't support each other we would have anarchy. Children brought up in a single parent environment are already at risk more so than other children of actions such as committing crimes and low performance etc ... It's not going to help them any having an under educated parent. Furthermore these students would probably cost a normal school money as well ... young teen parents tend to get bullied etc ... which is pretty unhelpful.

There's a whole tonne of things the tax payer pays for that many probably wouldn't understand or invest in. Fact is, I don't know about anyone else, but if my country was run purely on the opinions of the tax payer we would be living in some kind of Mad Max world. I can say straight away the death penalty would be brought in for some offenses, prisons would become some kind of torture chambers I imagine, and Justin Bieber would be declared an enemy of the state.

I suppose if you don't like it you could do what some person did out here and make your own country and stop paying taxes. He has been doing it for twenty years or something, and no one bothers him.

reply to post by macman


judging by your sig,,,your a soldier,,,do you fight though you dont know the outcome? there are no guarantees in life period!yet you fight because you believe in your co's,country,etc.now these "kids" have no hope and as another poster said,,,this is our future

reply to post by consigliere

Sad huh?
Why is that?
I thought children were a blessing?

Why does it matter if they are black, white, orange or yellow?
With that logic, you then not only create a special school for pregnant teenage high schoolers, but now it is defended and created for black pregnant teenage high schoolers.

WOW. As a person who screams racist first, you sure are focused and worried about it more then those you scream it at.

What a load!

reply to post by consigliere


No hope? Why, because you, as the champion against all that is racist says so?
I did not realize you were the official spokesman for this school.

You are pretty full of yourself.

reply to post by Pinke


Nope, just not live in this State.
I am all for this, as long as it stays within the State level. That is why I would not live in this state. Their economy is terrible.
The job of the Govt is not to provide compassion, as this is offered only by first taking from some to give to others.
Compassion is the job of the individual.

reply to post by macman


I wish I had the lottery numbers but I don't. However, look it up. There are several studies that link a good education to financial success. I am finishing a teaching degree and have been in a classroom. Students who want to learn are more successful. I do have an insider's view. Maybe a bit pro-student and jaded, but I'm allowed to hope, aren't I? And the entire 90% that graduate are not going to be losers. Sure we'll lose some, that's a given. But not all are going to be the losers. Even if only 50% of the 90% are successful, it's still less expensive in the long term.

In our schools, the girls are not separated from the other students. There are no charter schools. If you're pregnant at 16, then you stay at our only high school. They talked about daycare. Each student has an hour free for study period. The plan was that the mothers devote that hour to working at the daycare for free. I think spending an hour with about 20 whining, dirty, messy kids might make them think twice before spreading their legs again.

In the case of the special school, the 10% who have shown they don't care need to be put out of the school. Or they all need to be mainstreamed. A little shame would be good for them. I graduated in 1990. Then it was shameful. The girls weren't parading around bragging about their baby shower then. Now, they strut and brag about it. It doesn't help that 'abstinence only' education is pushed. It doesn't work. Ever. Teaching our girls that they need to be proud of themselves and hold their bodies sacred might help. But that won't go over well either.

The whole darn system is screwed up. Literally and figuratively.

reply to post by macman


Like i said Macman,,,ive read some of your posts on all types of subjects and yes i think you are racist.if you think im racist read some of mine! your the same guy who advocates the texas scholarships for whites only,,,dont throw stones bro,,,,

now once again,,,getting back ON TOPIC,,,how is a school with a 90% graduation rate fit for closing? are you avoiding the question?

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Pinke

 

Nope, just not live in this State.
I am all for this, as long as it stays within the State level. That is why I would not live in this state. Their economy is terrible.
The job of the Govt is not to provide compassion, as this is offered only by first taking from some to give to others.
Compassion is the job of the individual.

I understand what you're saying and it is an awkward philosophical question.

I imagine your attitude to say a hurricane would be different from your attitude towards this perhaps; its just one of those subtle difference things.

I would, however, encourage things like this to be tested. Just like when western prison systems changed a lot of people didn't see why prisoners were being treated 'nicely' and many still don't. Oh well.

reply to post by tncryptogal


I agree. The Education system as a whole is jacked. I think the federal department of educations should be abolished. The No child left behind act was terrible.
It is great that this school as a 90% success rate. But why does the rest of the area have lower standards?
Hope is great. But it is not a plan.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

And anyone wanting to spout off about lack of funding, spare me. Throwing money at a problem has yet to produce any results.

reply to post by consigliere


Well I did not assume that the school was largely minority. I don't immediately think about racial status, which I gather makes me a minority.

I think all students who engage in anti-social behavior and that includes getting pregnant while of public school age should be removed from school. Same with kids who wear black trench coats, paint their faces like a corpse, wear low hanging pants and gang colors and frankly anything the school board finds a distraction. All public schools should have uniforms and distractions to learning should be removed by any means possible.

When I went to school in the 70s in an inner city school, pregnant girls were not permitted to attend. They had to seek other educational vehicles or take a year off and then return. They certainly did not bring their kids to school. The graduation rates were higher than they are in that school today, which has armed guards in the restrooms, metal detectors on all of the doors and yes, permits all manner of anti-social behavior which is a distraction from learning.

Oh, but they are more enlightened now, I guess that justifies it all.

reply to post by macman


I have to agree about the funding. It isn't money. It's management and methods. Most of the teachers I know called "No Child Left Behind", "No Teacher Left Standing". The bill focused so much on testing, it actually cut into their teaching time. They know they're not teaching kids to think independently and critically, but just stuffing their head full of facts that the kids purge right after the tests. It also keeps them from innovating in the classroom. I think that is why charter schools are becoming more popular. Teachers have more freedom to innovate. Innovation saves money.

And you're right. The whole system to be held to the same standards. I'm from a rural area. We have one high school and one middle school. That's why I suggested to incorporate that school's success system wide.

Originally posted by consigliere
reply to post by macman

 

Like i said Macman,,,ive read some of your posts on all types of subjects and yes i think you are racist.if you think im racist read some of mine! your the same guy who advocates the texas scholarships for whites only,,,dont throw stones bro,,,,

now once again,,,getting back ON TOPIC,,,how is a school with a 90% graduation rate fit for closing? are you avoiding the question?

And why not. If there can be a special scholarship for blacks, then why not whites. If one is provided, then all should be. It goes both ways.

No avoidance, no name calling, no calling you are reverse racist or any Sol Alinsky crap.
Do they produce results? Yes
Is it for all to participate in? No
Is it tax payer funded? Yes
So provide for some, by taking from others?
Again, it goes against public civil liberties to exclude parts of the State population, but what ever.
As the state sinks deeper into an economic depression, you keep banging away of the "Racist white man" drum.