Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

I left this thread when the tornadoes stormed in last night, and as of this morning - and 40 pages later - nothing new has been presented. At least a Mod went through and cleaned up a bit...

I also heard this AM on NPR that the original doc DOES exist in the vaults in HI. This is in direct contrast to what was provided earlier (and I even parroted this info myself).

I'm wondering what the anti-certificate folks want to come about from all of this. Obama has one year left. Do you think the wheels of justice will move quickly enough to get him out in a year? REALLY? Based on the fact that this certificate has *gasp* layering?!?!? Something that has been shown time and time again to be a completely normal practice in digital conversions? Outside of that, if this image were flattened - there's Z-E-R-O that's suspect about it. Everything else is 100%.

I can't stand him. I can't wait to vote against him. However, all this debate is doing is fracturing the opposition and solidifying his base. It's probably even drawing people to his camp.

Just love the argument from the Left that this thing is such a ridiculous hack job of a fake, there is no way it could possibly be a fake, because the Administration just could not be so lame...or something.

I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this question has been asked and answered previously. In the metadata for the pdf in question, it shows the following:

C:\Users\KARREN\Desktop

Has anyone tried to investigate who KARREN is? It might shed some light on where the original pdf was created. In my workplace, our user names are the first five letters of our last name and the first letter of our first names. So, if my name was John Dillinger, my username would be DILLIJ. I am wondering who the user KARREN is. It is possible it is a derived username as I described above, or it could be the first or last name of the user. I find it an interesting piece of the puzzle.

I'm all FOR a good conspiracy theory, BUT there are a lot of people here that try to make a conspitracy about everything that happens. Come on. Fake BC ? You studied it "hours after it's release?? Really ?

I gave up long ago trying to prove he was born elsewhere... However, I can say with pretty much certainty, that this document that was put out is editable in Illustrator, and reeks of a document that was assembled in either Photoshop (as newer versions, I believe past Version 7, have vector editing capabilities, I know CS4 and CS5 do) or Illustrator itself. And while this will certainly fire up the imagination about this "birth issue" it only fires up one in my head.

Why lie and make a document when it's just as easy to scan the original and put it up?

Something is not right here, it may not be Obama's place of birth, but it is certainly the man's honesty, and/or the honesty of his handlers.

I did pull this documents layers apart in illustrator, and can confirm that it is editable in said program. I will not go so far as to say that it proves one way or another that he was born here or not born here, just that it looks on the surface as if he/someone issued to the American people an elaborate forgery that someone forgot to merge layers on.

Take it for what it is, more of the same crap from Washington, piles of steaming poo.

Originally posted by LikeDuhObviously
reply to post by derst1988

 

His father ... got a American girl knocked up .. in the USA ... Believe it or not it could happen.
If his father was a white Canadian no one would ever question if Obama was Canadian. Birthers and Fox news would then only have "Barack Hussein Obama hates Jesus and is a Muslim" left.

Have you actually listened to a Birther IRL ? Were you a birther, I guess would be a better question.

Racist may not be the best word .. Bigoted rejects fits a bit better.

edit on 28-4-2011 by LikeDuhObviously because: (no reason given)

Well i guess my side note went completely over your head.... Was i a birther? hmmm no. I do not classify or generalize to try and rationalize my thoughts like you. I did see a situation where there is a possibility of fraud and looked into it, and decided it is a distraction, if you really want too know, but my guess is you do not and simply wish to keep bashing people.

Explain why anyone would think he is anything but American ? Keep in mind we never heard anyone ask for Clinton's or Bush's bc ?

Well, we didn't have Billy and George's grandmother proclaiming they were born in Kenya for starters. It defies logic why you spend so much money trying to hide nothing of real importance. This alone should raise questions with everyone. 2 years of legal roadblocking followed up by I'm suddenly felling generous when Trump starts to soapbox about it seems very strange to me. SOMETHING is not right here, and it sure isn't the fact he's black.

reply to post by LikeDuhObviously


you didn't make the adresses match

There is a very good chance that the file in question will be removed from the whitehouse website and replaced with a non-suspicious one that isn't layered. Therefore, here are some checksums of the file so that we can tell if they try to change the file for another. md5 and sha256 for good measure:

[root@15557 ~]# md5sum birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
[root@15557 ~]# sha256sum birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
172482e5eff3ac7567607b62425ca9b397bc07f6909e1e9c7176bef57dae630d birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Please check the checksums of the file in a few days from the government website and compare with these hashes.

Here's a video of me doing the following....

1) Downloading the PDF from whitehouse.gov
2) Opening the PDF in Illustrator.
3) Showing the layers in Illustrator.

The "debunkers" on here have claimed that the layering is somehow done by saving a scanned image (JPG file) from Illustrator into PDF format. So, here's what I did to debunk the anti-birther Obots.

1) Saved the PNG file from the OP of this thread.
2) Converted PNG to JPG
3) Opened JPG in Illustrator
4) Saved JPG as PDF and even enabled layering.
5) Opened new PDF in Illustrator.
6) Checked the layers. There were no layers.

Conclusion: It appears that Obama's PDF file is a fraud.

I've just watched a 35 minute video here which absolutely proves the certificate is a fake. The op demonstrates the software use, with and without the OCR turned off . The White House version is a manipulated image. He proves that the White House PDF contains many layers that can be made to disappear but that, even with OCR turned on in Adobe Illustrator, the document created has layers with no information that can be made to disappear. There are no boxes that can be manipulated, but there ARE in the document downloaded from the White House website. This means that the hidden detail could NOT have been created by OCR. Whoever created this PDF forgot to flatten the scanned image into a single layer with Illustrator before creating the PDF. Ha! Ha!

It's missing the bottom part, which is why they added a green background so the signature at the bottom does not appear to be floating by itself.

Originally posted by zaintdead
There is a very good chance that the file in question will be removed from the whitehouse website and replaced with a non-suspicious one that isn't layered. Therefore, here are some checksums of the file so that we can tell if they try to change the file for another. md5 and sha256 for good measure:

[root@15557 ~]# md5sum birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
[root@15557 ~]# sha256sum birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
172482e5eff3ac7567607b62425ca9b397bc07f6909e1e9c7176bef57dae630d birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Please check the checksums of the file in a few days from the government website and compare with these hashes.

edit on 28-4-2011 by zaintdead because: (no reason given)

Excellent point! I'll make a video of this too! Gotta get cygwin installed.

Originally posted by meeneecat

Originally posted by iamaperson
Hang on, why is a signature in the layer supposedly made by OCR. Signatures shouldn't be picked up, at least on the same layer, should they?

edit on 28.4.11 by iamaperson because: (no reason given)

Actually, no...and here it is...the signature wasn't picked up by the OCR.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/892d3939907c.jpg[/atsimg]

Again, exactly what you would expect from OCR.

The picture you posted proves opposite of what you're trying to use as proof of it being OCR. I clearly see two signatures that WERE picked up. Which according to you should not happen with OCR.

Originally posted by zerohistory

Originally posted by Rukas

Originally posted by zerohistory


Second, just because the document has layers is not evidence of forgery. Just because you can take any layer and do with it what you want, as you have said, doesn't mean that that is evidence of forgery, nor tampering, nor alterations of any kind. Just because the opportunity and means to do something - anything at all - exists, does not mean that something - any action at all - was actually done.

You've completely missed the point. No one is saying that because there are layers there must be forgery, they are saying that it is a forgery because there are layers. And the difference is this; if a document is scanned, it is ONE layer, in effect just a photo. If a document has layers it means it was CREATED. I think you need to understand that concept a little better. Only created images have layers.

I think people who dont understand how photoshop or illustrator work just need to understand this concept and take it for what it is. Scanned images are only ever ONE layer. Thus multiple layers means that the image is not a scanned image, but a created image, created from multiple layers.

edit on 28-4-2011 by Rukas because: (no reason given)

No, I did get the point. But I also understood that the point the OP made was invalid. The OP actually did explain why he thought the document was a forgery/fraud. You have already quoted my response to it.

Originally posted by Bonified Ween
Why I consider this a fake was because of the layering that just so happened to occur in this "OCR SCANNING PROCESS". This scanner apparently decided to layer all of the text with Obama's info and typefont that the rest of the document does not contain. The signatures of the doctor and registrar are in one layer as all of his info in another. I considered it a fake, because I could literally remove Obama's info from this certificate and make it my own, another reason why I considered this a forgery.

Here is the link to OP's full explanation.

The other point about understanding how Photoshop or Illustrator work is not really important. Not in this case, because the document was not produced with either of those programs. It was produced with Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext. This is verifiable within the document's metadata. It is important to know how that program handles documents that are either scanned into it, or imported into it.

Whether or not I understand how to use Photoshop or Illustrator is irrelevant. But for the record, I have been using Photoshop for at least 8 years. The concept of layering, in that program, is very familiar to me. Though, I do confess that Illustrator is foreign to me. I have to say it again: Anybody who claims to be investigating Obama's long-form birth certificate, in PDF format, should at the very least have a basic understanding of how Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext works. After all, the PDF was produced with that program. It was not produced with either Photoshop or Illustrator.

The last point I want to make is that there is a major difference between scanning a document directly into Photoshop and importing a scanned document into Photoshop. However, what we need to know is which method was used in the case of Obama's PDF-formatted, long-form birth certificate with regards to Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext, the program that was used to create the PDF document?

Finally, I just like to add the following for your consideration:

Originally posted by Perplexity
Open ANY scanned image with text on a colored background in Adobe Acrobat Pro; e.g., via “File,” “Create PDF,” “From File.”
Then click “Document,” “Optimize Scanned PDF” under default settings.
You will have produced a layered PDF document, the layers of which you can separate with “TouchUp Object Tool” under “Tools,” “Advanced Editing.”
Acrobat is not the only software that processes images in this way. Many document management systems default or are configured to execute comparable and additional optimizations for human legibility and OCR parsing.
Even without Acrobat software or technical expertise, anyone can examine the PDF posted by the White House and perceive artifacts of PDF “optimization” that would not be present in a plain image “copy.”
The area around nearly every letter of text clearly reveals a systematic outlined white erasure of the green background, not by accident but by design, to enhance contrast and, thus, legibility for the black text.
To pretend these artifacts are evidence of forgery is simply ignorant or, worse, deliberately deceptive.

This is quite possibly the most important post on this thread. It explains exactly WHY the layers are present. Thank you for taking the time to explain this. I had a general understanding of this, but not enough to make an educated post about it. So again, thank you for explaining this in easy to understand terms.

But of course, Tis not enough. No amount of proof will be.... ever. We heard many times, prior to yesterday, that if Obama would simply release this form, then this whole thing would be over. Many of us knew this to be untrue... If the image were a single layered flattened image, it would'nt be enough. We could have video of his birth....well, anyways, you get my drift.

Please carry on, this is quite amusing to be honest!

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Edit-found possible fault with info cited.

Posting my reply from another thread:

Couple of more tidbits from Michael Rivero at www.whatreallyhappened.com to share:

Kenya (listed as Obama's father's nation of birth) wasn't called Kenya in 1961. It was the British East Africa Protectorate. It was not known as "Kenya" until 1963.

In 1961, the hospital Obama was born in was NOT named the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital , as shown on the above certificate. In 1961, the hospital Obama was born in was named the Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital. It did not change its name to the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until it merged with the Kapiolani hospital system in 1978.

I'm not a "birther", but seriously...WTH?!?!?

This is striking me more and more as a phony. If it IS a phony it has to be meant as a distraction. Lord knows there is plenty they would love to have us not noticing right about now.

Im along with fake side.
The official document isnt even digitaly signed.
I could provide Einsteins BC, and prove he was born somewhere on planet Jupiter.