Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

Originally posted by Josephus23

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Josephus23
I was born in 1973 and races were never listed as "African" or "Caucasian" on any GA birth certificate that I have seen.

This has been responded to so many multiple times - - hard to believe its coming up again.

Parents have the right to self-identify. Obama's father has the right to self-identify his race as African. And he did.

In addition - if you research - you will find that in Africa (at least in some areas) - - - it is how they identify themselves.

As I have said...

I would rather see some proof in front of my eyes than someone telling me I told you so.

I can play this same game.

Do some research.

Races were identified by colors, not geographic locations.

If you want to say that I am wrong then at least provide a link.

Besides. That is a straw man argument.
The meat and potatoes of this thread is based upon the statements made in the OP.

Methinks that you have a beef with me personally Annee.

Maybe she's just trying to educate you?

The facts:
1 - You stated you weren't an expert on Hawaiian BCs, so what's your point to begin with?
2 - You make a comparison between a GA and Hawaiian BC and try to infer they should have the same standards of reporting, though you don't provide a reason for it.
3 - Hawaii allows for unaltered "self-reporting" of race on BCs obamatrueandfalse.com... There's an official's name in there to Google if you'd like to do further "research".
4 - YOU brought up the reported race issue, so then who is responsible for leaving the "meat and potatoes" of the thread to get cold while sitting at the dinner table?

When Obama was elected, I had very high hopes for him. And to think he faked his birth certificate??
It's believable, but like he's the president. I would think he'd be able to just type up a "real" one that wouldn't get scrutinized

Originally posted by QuantumPhysicist
When Obama was elected, I had very high hopes for him. And to think he faked his birth certificate??
It's believable, but like he's the president. I would think he'd be able to just type up a "real" one that wouldn't get scrutinized

You really think so?

I doubt even if we had a time machine to go back and witness his birth - - - it would be accepted.

reply to post by userid1


As I said, discussing my comment about the race issue is completely out of context.

I stated that it was the first thing that caught my eye that made me think twice about the validity of the BC.

I did not in any way present it as an argument. I actually set it up on a tee for someone to hit that knows the answer.
And I requested such an answer, as well as stating my lack of knowledge concerning the subject.

This thread, however, is about the manipulation of the BC. Period.

Any quality points that someone might gain from a statement that I made in passing is a straw man argument and only shows a lack of acumen concerning the OP.

Once again, excellent points in the OP.

You Obama-nuts will buy into anything.
I simply look at things from a skeptical viewpoint.

The ad hominems, appeals to emotion, and straw man arguments do nothing to disprove the validity of the OP.

Thanks for the link however. I will check it out.

(pause)

I checked it out and saw nothing that disproved the validity of the OP.

You got served.

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by userid1

 

As I said, discussing my comment about the race issue is completely out of context.

I stated that it was the first thing that caught my eye that made me think twice about the validity of the BC.

I did not in any way present it as an argument. I actually set it up on a tee for someone to hit that knows the answer.
And I requested such an answer, as well as stating my lack of knowledge concerning the subject.

This thread, however, is about the manipulation of the BC. Period.

Any quality points that someone might gain from a statement that I made in passing is a straw man argument and only shows a lack of acumen concerning the OP.

Once again, excellent points in the OP.

You Obama-nuts will buy into anything.
I simply look at things from a skeptical viewpoint.

The ad hominems, appeals to emotion, and straw man arguments do nothing to disprove the validity of the OP.

Thanks for the link however. I will check it out.

(pause)

I checked it out and saw nothing that disproved the validity of the OP.

You got served.

And you got the answer (2X) that you requested and once with documentation to back it up via a statement from a Hawaiian official. If that's not good enough to overcome your concerns that it's "not how they do it in GA" then who exactly do you think *could* help you? Anyone?

BTW - regarding the OP, you may find what you're looking for in this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...
I'll help you out - check pages 16-19 and again on page 44. It appears to be the most definitive response to the birther claims regarding forgery I've seen yet - it may well answer many questions.

Other than that, best of luck in....whatever it is you do.

There's a bunch of obama shills around trying to act like they've got a legal, not phony, BC that shows obama was born in hawaii. But they don't have such a document. Because there is no such thing.
obama just presented his 'real' BC. It has no raised seal.
The shills say the 'real real' BC has a raised seal. But they lie. Its just another trick. They have no proof.
Don't listen to them. They are liers. Shills and liers.
Paid to debunk all those who seek the truth about obama's BC.

Also consider that claimed Caucasian mother Stanley Anne Dunham is still alive according to www.intelius.comat... age 68 in spite of being killed off in the Obama Story at age 52 of either Ovarian or Breast Cancer depending if you talk to Michelle or alleged sister Maya Soetoro whom similarly have a problem getting their stories straight on the name of the Hawaii hospital of the Obama birth

Go to the above URL. I found not only the daughter alive, but her parents too. Stanely Ann Dunham is not Obama's mother and Obama is from Thailand------ not even black, is Asian

Edit....oh ya He is a Nazi and in the White House following the Nazi Bushes (and shrubs) and Clinton----to be followed by Jeb Bush-----to bring down America.

Originally posted by canadiansenior70
Stanely Ann Dunham is not Obama's mother and Obama is from Thailand------ not even black, is Asian

Wow...someone needs to wheel you back into the barn...

yeah you know when i first saw that i had to laugh because it took em 2 years just to show this

clearly altered and they should be arrested for forging

.One team of investigators claim that they found the father of the person whose identity was assumed by Obama, journalist Frank Marshall Davis, a US citizen from Chicago married to a white Chicago woman with five kids. As Davis clearly is a Negro while 'Obama' is an Asian Ringer, Davis is not 'Obama' true father!

Asian ringer 'Obama' tells a tale that his father was negro Barack Obama, his mother was white Stanley Ann Dunham, and his grandmother was white Madelyn Dunham. As Davis was age 56 and Stanley Ann Dunham was age 18 in 1961, Obama's fake birthdate, THAT MATCH DOESN'T COMPUTE. Stanley Ann Dunham died at age 52 from cancer, 'Obama' claims, or did she?
A Intelius search shows Stanley Ann Dunham alive and well at age 66:

This is just another Obama fake photo claimed to be of Ann Dunham and a young Obama in Cambridge, Mass. Really a 300 pound 'double' and some skinny kid without Dumbo ears. Both have their eyes closed:

Source
A CLOSER LOOK at Hawaii where no presidential candidate has made an appearance since Nixon in 1960 and where Democrats have been prominent for 50 years shows HAWAII LIES MADE A PRESIDENT. In the runup to the election 'Obama' made a major push to highlight his alleged WHITE CONNECTIONS WITH THE DUNHAMS.
THE HAWAII LIES TIMELINE

Obama placed a forged Hawaii Birth Certificate on the Internet and not only didn't Hawaii charge him with forging a public document but they didn't even say it was all another HAWAII LIE.

If the forged instrument is one which affects a legal right or interest (to become President), the offense is considered forgery in the second degree, and the sanction is increased to a class C felony.
www.capitol.hawaii.gov...

March 21, 2004
Punahou Grad Stirs Up Illinois Politics
The driven Democrat could become the only black U.S. senator
"I guess they thought there was no way this skinny little guy from the South Side (of Chicago) with a funny name like Barack Obama could ever win a statewide race," he told an overflowing throng of supporters. HOWEVER, Obama declined Star-Bulletin requests to interview him about his Hawaii years. 'Obama' probably didn't want to get tripped up over facts of his assumed Hawaiian identity.
June 27, 2008
Hawaii spokewoman Janice Okubo:
"I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the (forged birth certificate) image on the site represents."
We sent our investigation of the faked Obama photos and forged Obama documents including forged 'Mr and Mrs. Barack Obama' birth announcements to an email list of 86 at the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin without a single reply. That means we caught two lying Hawaii dailies with their pants down with forged birth announcements that they refuse to make good on.
Obama Birth Announcement Forged
www.hoaxofthecentury.com...
A Hawaii website claimed the birth announcements were legit and even posted photos of them. We asked the website if they wrote that piece of crap and they said they did. Well, with the obvious forgery, are you going to change it? NEVER DONE, another HAWAII LIE. Their method was to claim they were Obama haters but, gee whiz, the birth announcements are real. They post a lot of good links but intersperse a bunch of Israel and Jewish links and claim Israel is running the US Government and even did 9/11. Interesting that the owner formerly (??) worked for NASA, the prime architect of 9/11. They have received all of our investigations on Obama and 9/11 and have posted none. Now we know why! They claim Flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon. One HAWAII LIE after another on that website.
Daily Kos: CIA Engineered Controlled Opposition?
By Kurt Nimmo

August 9, 2008
Obama visits Hawaii for the first time in two years and claims to have spent a whole hour visiting his alleged grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, to promote the Obama-Dunham fairytale, a HAWAII LIE.
After the rally, Obama stopped for a private visit with his grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, at her Beretania Street apartment and spent more than an hour inside. Obama had told reporters earlier that his grandmother was "sharp as a tack" but struggling with osteoporosis that limits her mobility. "She is somebody who helped raise me, and she's the last person of the generation ahead of me who's still living, so it means a lot to me to spend time with her," he said.

August 15, 2008
Mitchell Langbert reported:
"Hawaii Department of Health officials contacted the Obama campaign a few months ago in response to the persistent birth certificate inquiries to see if they could try and resolve the issue with the people who were asking questions," she said. "They responded and apparently it isn't good enough that he posted his birth certificate," Janice Okubo said. "They say they want it because they claim he is not a citizen of the United States. It's pretty ridiculous."
When I contacted Ms. Okubo in July to request a copy of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, she refused to provide it, but she did NOT indicate that there is a publicly available birth certificate nor did she indicate that she could verify the certificate as reflecting the true one. She could have mentioned that she had given a birth certificate to the Obama campaign but she did not. She could have verified that the one posted is the same one she gave them, but she did not do that either.

October 21, 2008
Barack Obama is heading off the campaign trail to Hawaii to visit his ailing 85-year-old grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday night."Recently, his Grandmother has become ill, and in the last few weeks, her health has deteriorated to the point where her situation is very serious. It is for that reason that Senator Obama has decided to change his schedule on Thursday and Friday so that he can see her and spend some time with her. Michelle and the children are not going. (Why not?)

October 25, 2008
Obama arrives in Hawaii to his visit grandmother. He talked openly about his relationship with his grandmother this week in interviews with morning network news shows." She has really been the rock of the family, the foundation of the family," he said on CBS's "The Early Show." "Whatever strength and discipline that I have, it comes from her."
He has talked about how, when his mother died young of cancer, the end came so suddenly that he did not get to Hawaii in time to say goodbye. He said he did not want that to happen again." You know, we weren't sure, and I'm still not sure, whether she makes it to election day," Obama said in an interview with "Good Morning America" this week. "We're all praying, and we hope she does." The Democratic nominee -- who campaigned Tuesday night in Miami, 4,800 miles away -- left the trail to see Dunham, whose 86th birthday is Sunday. (BUT MISSED THE BIRTHDAY PARTY!)

October 31, 2008
Hawaii State Health Director Chiyome Fukino issued a statement today certifying that Obama’s birth certificate is, in fact, genuine.
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record."
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”

October 31,2008
Dr. Chiyome Fukino responds to my Obama birth certificate questions, "takes the Fifth"
On October 31, 2008, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, released a statement verifying that Barack Obama's birth certificate was on file in their records. However, despite what you might have heard, she did not verify that he was born in Hawaii. And, she did not verify that the certificate on file in Hawaii matches the "COLB" pictured on Obama's site and at FactCheck.
That hasn't stopped many people from assuming that she verified something she did not.
October 31, 2008
The AP claims."State declares Obama birth certificate genuine".
November 3, 2008

(The Nazis play out this farce to convince voters that Obama is a natural born US Citizen JUST BEFORE ELECTION DAY.)

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."
November 4, 2008

(The Nazis pull off a fake death to get the sympathy vote!)

Obama's Grandmother Dies of Cancer in Hawaii (Not osteoporosis!)
Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother died Sunday night, just hours before a presidential election in which her grandson could become the first African-American to win the nation's highest office."It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Sen. Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said in a joint statement Monday. In Charlotte, N.C., Sen. Obama, looking upset, paid tribute during a campaign rally. "Some of you heard that my grandmother who helped raise me passed away early this morning," he said. "I'm not going to talk about it too long because it's hard for me to talk about. Sen. Obama, the son of a Kenyan father and a Kansas-born mother, was largely reared by his maternal grandparents. Sen. Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, died of ovarian cancer in 1995 at the age of 52, and his grandfather, Stanley Dunham, died in 1992.

Now some truth: The Hawaii Department of Health responded to a request for birth certificate records for genealogical research with a LEGAL OPINION:
www.state.hi.us... ALSO Html version

Others (like journalist Andy Martin), we conclude, may inspect or copy a vital record when the Registrar is satisfied that the information contained therein is "necessary for the determination of personal or property rights." (The right for America to know if a Presidential candidate is natural born and a US citizen obviously is a personal right.)
The statute allows the department to provide a DATA INDEX (EVEN THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED TO AMERICAN CITIZENS) to be made available to the public in order to accommodate these requests for genealogical research. Index data consisting of NAME, AGE, and SEX of the registrant and DATE, TYPE, and FILE NUMBER of the vital event and such other data as the director may authorize may be made available to the public.
The original birth certificates of persons who were born out of wedlock, or who have been adopted, are sealed by the DOH and public access to such records must be by order of a court of record.

The charade with the Hawaii assumed identity coverup and claimed legit birth certificate was orchestrated by the GOP Governor of Hawaii (Source)
A Taste of Lingle
Lingle may be set up to be another victim of the Nazi GOP's abusing of Jewish Americans:
But this past week on the mainland, Lingle told reporters Obama has never voted in Hawaii, nor has he owned a business here."Senator Obama likes to say he's from Hawaii. But, the truth is, I've never met him in my life. He's never called me on the phone. Ninety-five percent of the people in my state had never heard of him before he ran for president" said Lingle. (As noted above Obama visited August 2008 and August 2006.)
“Barack Obama would devastate the economy if he’s elected president,” she said, and added, “The Democrats’ presidential candidate has zero experience. He’s never led any city, never led any state. So our vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has more experience than their presidential candidate (Ditto for Clinton) has.”(Source)
A group of old military officers decided that Hawaii needed Superferries from Honolulu to Kauai and Maui:
These are not your regular ferries. They are giant ferries – more than a football field long, four stories high and capable of carrying as many as 866 people and 282 cars.They travel at 40 mph through waters that are home to endangered humpback whales, dolphins and rare sea turtles. Sierra Club and other environmental groups wanted the company to issue an environmental impact statement. The company refused. The groups sued and in 2007, the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled, in a 5-0 decision, that the company did have to issue an environmental impact statement. But the company still hasn’t. And the Republican Governor – Linda Lingle – has sided with Lehman. “This protest was an extraordinary event. These are a bunch of surfers, people on a beach in Kauai – it wasn’t taken seriously enough. It was an amazing and inspiring action. And in our book, we have individual testimony from the protesters. Linda Lingle later went to Kauai to talk to the people there. She told them that if they protested again, she was going to invoke the terrorism laws. They would be subject to $5,000 fine and five years in jail.

Obama turned down public financing for 'Internet financing' supposedly from small donors whose sources didn't have to be recorded by law and thus nobody knows who financed 'Obama'. Looks like Nazi CIA financing from here though. As Lingle appears to be the Prime gatekeeper on the 'Obama' vault birth certificate and all of the unknown information on Who's Obama?, who financed her 2006 election?
These graphics shows the lop-sided financing of the 2006 Hawaii Governor race:

So what is in the cards for America? John Ellis Bush tagged with the Jewish 'JEB' name for Jebediah (The Bushes had the Jewish name Scherff in Nazi Germany.) was planning to run for Florida senator in 2010 and probably President in 2016 to fulfill a Bush I dream, the complete destruction of America. Bush I is believed to be age 93 so best to hurry things along.
This morning on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked former President George H.W. Bush about the possibility of his son, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, running for Senate. The former president expressed his hope that Jeb would run and then told Wallace that he'd ultimately like to see Jeb elected president:
BUSH I: I'd like to see him run, I'd like to see him be president someday, or maybe senator, whatever.
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush will not run for the open Senate seat of Sen. Mel Martinez, he announced in a statement released moments ago."After thoughtful consideration, I have decided not to run for the United States Senate in 2010," said Bush.
The only way that another Bush will get into the White House is to have another Clinton fiasco. Clinton made Bush I and actor Reagan look good. Clinton's scandals and mismanagement of the economy brought in Bush II. NAZI SPY 'OBAMA' ROLE is to bring on JEB BUSH IN 2012.

All of the 'Obama family' photos are faked and all of the documents released for public inspection are forged. Millions in election financing came from nowhere. That is what the Nazi CIA is doing in countries worldwide. Your tax dollars at work and they aren't even elected or under control of Congress. Many positions are open. Curiously most of the former Bush administration including Bush II and Jeb Bush are unemployed. It seems that the Bushes never left and are telling 'Obama' what to do. Are Bush I, II, and 'Jeb' heading an 'in absentia' government overlording 'Obama' who can't give a public statement without reading it off the teleprompter? If Obama gave the Gettysburg Address that school kids learn by heart he would need it written on a teleprompter!

Become a Nazi Hunter: Part 2 claims that the best way to catch a Nazi was to have two Nazis feuding over money or woman. Well, Skorzeny and Scherf, Jr. (Bush I) were doing exactly that.
The Nazis in The White House Story: Part 1
www.hoaxofthecentury.com...
The Nazis in The White House Story: Part 2

Back to barn with you granny...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
F'ALL

oh just tidying up all my threads and leave them to the people who cannot think for themselves

ta-ta.

Perhaps this issue is irrelevant to TBTB, and in fact irrelevant in reality. Obama is an employee of USA Inc., a corporation. They can employ whoever they want, of whatever nationality they want. The title of President is now only a token title to dupe the people into thinking that the USA actually still exists, but it doesn't.

Because it's a corporation, they can decide to do anything they want. These days they are barely even trying to hide it.

Just a thought.

The FBI must not have this technology, or they would have discovered the birth certificate was a forgery. The FBI are probably way behind professional commercial digital forensic analysis.
An international expert on scanners and document-imaging software filed a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI, charging that the long-form birth certificate released by the White House is criminally fraudulent.
“What the Obama administration released is a PDF image that they are trying to pass off as a Certificate of Live Birth Long Form printed on green security paper by the Hawaiian Health Department,” Doug Vogt writes, “but this form is a created forgery.”
Vogt’s criminal complaint asserts: “I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011, is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs, and the creation of this forgery of a public document constitutes a class B felony in Hawaii and multiple violations under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec.1028, and therefore an impeachable offense.”
When the Obama birth certificate “forgery” comes to the public’s attention, Vogt continues, “It will surpass all previous scandals including the Watergate scandal of the Nixon administration.”
Since 1993, Vogt has owned Archive Index Systems Inc., in Bellevue, Wash., a company that sells a wide variety of document scanners worldwide and develops document imaging software.
Before that, Vogt owned Nova Typesetting for 11 years.
conservativebyte.com...

Originally posted by Malinse
The FBI must not have this technology, or they would have discovered the birth certificate was a forgery. The FBI are probably way behind professional commercial digital forensic analysis.
An international expert on scanners and document-imaging software filed a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI, charging that the long-form birth certificate released by the White House is criminally fraudulent.
“What the Obama administration released is a PDF image that they are trying to pass off as a Certificate of Live Birth Long Form printed on green security paper by the Hawaiian Health Department,” Doug Vogt writes, “but this form is a created forgery.”
Vogt’s criminal complaint asserts: “I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011, is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs, and the creation of this forgery of a public document constitutes a class B felony in Hawaii and multiple violations under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec.1028, and therefore an impeachable offense.”
When the Obama birth certificate “forgery” comes to the public’s attention, Vogt continues, “It will surpass all previous scandals including the Watergate scandal of the Nixon administration.”
Since 1993, Vogt has owned Archive Index Systems Inc., in Bellevue, Wash., a company that sells a wide variety of document scanners worldwide and develops document imaging software.
Before that, Vogt owned Nova Typesetting for 11 years.
conservativebyte.com...

This is a good post that a crime report has been filed with the FBI. I have not heard anything about the investigation. Please keep us posted.

This extensive thread should be merged with this one, they both discuss the same issues.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Bonified Ween



Vision to America had sent this article to my e-mail...
Birth certificate supoena to be delivered Aug. 8th

Something that I find quite interesting is the fact that Obamas grandfather Stanley Armour Dunham, enlisted in the U.S. Army on January 18, 1942. His daughter, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obamas mother was born on Nov. 29, 1942. Either they let Pvt. Dunham leave after 1 month of basic training to go impregnate his wife and return to training or he isn't the real father. It seems more than odd that there are shadows after shadows concerning Barack Obama, or is he still Barry Soetoro. There is no mention or proof that he actually changed it back to Obama.

Originally posted by ontarff
This is a good post that a crime report has been filed with the FBI. I have not heard anything about the investigation.

What investigation? There is nothing to investigate, just more birther lies!

Originally posted by NeoAlef2012
or is he still Barry Soetoro. There is no mention or proof that he actually changed it back to Obama.

There is no proof he ever changed it from Obama..... so just why do you claim Obama changed his name?